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[tjp]

I'm really curious to see who, if anyone, Chuy, Lightfoot, and Willie Wilson will endorse. Chuy's platform seemed more aligned with Vallas, but I don't think he'd want to piss of the CTU. And Lori might be too pissed to even bother.

[sentinel]

Originally Posted by moorhosj1

You know what puts them on the street even faster, not arresting them at all. Their job is not to prosecute people, it is to investigate crimes, make arrests, and recommend charges.

I don't always like how my colleagues in other departments manage the work I hand-off to them, but I don't get to just stop doing it. Can you name another job where your performance can fall by 80% and you can ask for a larger budget?

Do they have legitimate beef with Foxx? No doubt. Does that give them leeway to quit doing their jobs? I don't think so.

This article has some information on prosecutions.

From the State's Attorney:

If police are not doing their jobs, why the hell are we paying pensions? I know it's a hollow question, more to bring up a point, considering that our shitty state constitution forces us to pay employee pensions.

[left of center]

Originally Posted by tjp

I'm really curious to see who, if anyone, Chuy, Lightfoot, and Willie Wilson will endorse. Chuy's platform seemed more aligned with Vallas, but I don't think he'd want to piss of the CTU. And Lori might be too pissed to even bother.

I doubt we will hear an endorsement from Lori. Quite frankly, would either run off candidate even want her endorsement?

Has Willie Wilson endorsed anyone in his previous failed attempts to run for mayor?

I could see Chuy endorse Vallas, but like you said, he would need to benefit from said endorsement. Upsetting major political players like the CTU could be problematic for his existing political career and any future aspirations.

If I was a gambling man, I would expect no endorsement by any of the major 3 candidates that failed to make the run off. Someone might get something from Green, Bucker, King, etc. but that would be a pretty negligible boost given their low vote counts.

[marothisu]

Someone I know is a former teacher who worked in CPS for a little bit, and told me they are voting for Vallas literally for the fact that Johnson was involved with the CTU so much.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by left of center

I doubt we will hear an endorsement from Lori. Quite frankly, would either run off candidate even want her endorsement?

Has Willie Wilson endorsed anyone in his previous failed attempts to run for mayor?

I could see Chuy endorse Vallas, but like you said, he would need to benefit from said endorsement. Upsetting major political players like the CTU could be problematic for his existing political career and any future aspirations.

If I was a gambling man, I would expect no endorsement by any of the major 3 candidates that failed to make the run off. Someone might get something from Green, Bucker, King, etc. but that would be a pretty negligible boost given their low vote counts.

Yeah, I would be surprised if Lightfoot endorsed anyone. Willie Wilson endorsed Lightfoot in 2019, but of course this is before he formed the "Willie Wilson Party." He endorsed Chuy in 2015.

[Vlajos]

Originally Posted by marothisu

Someone I know is a former teacher who worked in CPS for a little bit, and told me they are voting for Vallas literally for the fact that Johnson was involved with the CTU so much.

We are good friends with a few CPS teachers, they don't like the union and are also voting for Vallas.

[SIGSEGV]

Originally Posted by SamInTheLoop

Agree with much of this. That whole screed was the stuff of fever dreams. It was all over the place.

Can anyone tell me what the department's murder clearance rate is?
It is astonishingly low, whatever the most recent number.
I mean, jaw-droppingly low.

It's a tough job, for sure. But, one that is apparently not being done very well, and has not been for some time.
I truly believe it is a cultural thing within the organization.

And they just voted for John "Vaccines=Nazi Germany" Catanzara again

[jtown,man]

Maybe hire more cops to get more detectives to get more cases solved?

Maybe don't make stupid rules like the chase policy.

Maybe don't demoralize the cops by releasing violent criminals the day after they are released.

Maybe just support the cops. Everytime a far-left politician talks about the cops it is almost always in the negative or neutral. Why? These folks risk their lives every day, with a cop being killed just last week.

[marothisu]

Endorsements so far..

Vallas: Jesse White, Ald. Walter Burnett, Ald Roderick Sawyer, Gerry Chico

Johnson: Toni Preckwinkle, Rep. Danny Davis


I expect Wilson to back Vallas. And I don't think either truly want Lightfoot's endorsement. Buckner and King may back Johnson. Green is anyone's guess. He probably won't endorse anyone but backing Vallas wouldn't even shock me at this point.

[Steely Dan]

^ Chuy is the biggest apple still hanging on the tree.

It'll be interesting to see if he picks a side.

[moorhosj1]

Originally Posted by jtown,man

Maybe hire more cops to get more detectives to get more cases solved?

I think every mayoral candidate proposed this. Brandon Johnson wants 200 more detectives.

Originally Posted by jtown,man

Maybe don't make stupid rules like the chase policy.

This is absolutely worth a discussion. It is worth noting that many cities and states have these policies and their police survive.

Originally Posted by jtown,man

Maybe don't demoralize the cops by releasing violent criminals the day after they are released.

The mayor has no say in this. I also shared data proving this narrative is questionable, at best.

Originally Posted by jtown,man

Maybe just support the cops. Everytime a far-left politician talks about the cops it is almost always in the negative or neutral. Why? These folks risk their lives every day, with a cop being killed just last week.

Maybe they could just support the mayor. We support the cops by paying them very high salaries and generous benefits. It is their job.

I don't think it is negative to ask why we have more police per-capita than almost any other city, but never see improvement in our violence statistics. When we have an 80% decrease in arrests during a crime wave, that isn't Kim Foxx or Lori Lightfoot's fault.

If they want more funding, they should show how will it it improve actual public safety. What is the ROI on this increased funding? I haven't seen a connection in my 15+ years here.

[Vlajos]

Originally Posted by marothisu

Endorsements so far..

Vallas: Jesse White, Ald. Walter Burnett, Ald Roderick Sawyer, Gerry Chico

Johnson: Toni Preckwinkle, Rep. Danny Davis


I expect Wilson to back Vallas. And I don't think either truly want Lightfoot's endorsement. Buckner and King may back Johnson. Green is anyone's guess. He probably won't endorse anyone but backing Vallas wouldn't even shock me at this point.

New poll out today shows Vallas up 11% at 44 to 33%.

https://www.1983labs.com/chicago-runoff

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by Vlajos

New poll out today shows Vallas up 11% at 44 to 33%.

https://www.1983labs.com/chicago-runoff

That's very reassuring.

[Klippenstein]

Originally Posted by Vlajos

New poll out today shows Vallas up 11% at 44 to 33%.

https://www.1983labs.com/chicago-runoff

If you look at the poll from before the election it’s almost the same. If anything Brandon Johnson gained a point or two. Not much has changed. Will be more interesting to see when the undecided voters start choosing sides.

[Vlajos]

Originally Posted by Klippenstein

If you look at the poll from before the election it’s almost the same. If anything Brandon Johnson gained a point or two. Not much has changed. Will be more interesting to see when the undecided voters start choosing sides.

Well within the margin of error though. Johnson has a lot of ground to make up, Vallas doesn't need much. Vallas a much broader level of support, whites, hispanics and asians. Johonson is not even particularly strong with blacks.

[Klippenstein]

Originally Posted by Vlajos

Vallas a much broader level of support, whites, hispanics and asians. Johonson is not even particularly strong with blacks.

Yeah, I noticed that. That was probably the most interesting part of the poll. It’s also interesting that Johnson does well with 30-45 year olds, but not with 18-29 year olds.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by Vlajos

New poll out today shows Vallas up 11% at 44 to 33%.

https://www.1983labs.com/chicago-runoff

There was a study recently showing that Black and Latino people are increasingly less about identity politics in Chicago. I keep telling people that there's a lot more moderate Chuy and Lightfoot voters who would support Vallas over Johnson than they possibly realize. Wilson voters probably sway big time to Vallas, but not all. I think there's a lot of very left leaning Johnson supporters, white and on the north side, who assume that a lot of voters still vote along racial lines. And this is increasingly false and out of touch with the current times IMO. Not even sure either candidate really does a good job of addressing the needs and struggles of some communities.

[Vlajos]

Originally Posted by marothisu

There was a study recently showing that Black and Latino people are increasingly less about identity politics in Chicago. I keep telling people that there's a lot more moderate Chuy and Lightfoot voters who would support Vallas over Johnson than they possibly realize. Wilson voters probably sway big time to Vallas, but not all. I think there's a lot of very left leaning Johnson supporters, white and on the north side, who assume that a lot of voters still vote along racial lines. And this is increasingly false and out of touch with the current times IMO. Not even sure either candidate really does a good job of addressing the needs and struggles of some communities.

There was also a recent Pew poll that showed 60%+ of Black and Hispanic democrats are worried about crime vs. ~35% of white Dems. Makes sense when you look at maps where Johnson did well, which were White "progressive" areas.

[Steely Dan]

Originally Posted by Klippenstein

Will be more interesting to see when the undecided voters start choosing sides.

Keep in mind that undecideds are typically the least likely group to go out and actually vote. So if that new poll is accurate, you can add a couple of extra points to Vallas and Johnson, making it more like 46% 35%.

Johnson would need nearly an 80% split of the undecideds in such a scenario to get past 50%.

That's a tall hill.

But not impossible.

[Klippenstein]

Originally Posted by Steely Dan

Keep in mind that undecideds are typically the least likely group to go out and actually vote. So if that new poll is accurate, you can add a couple of extra points to Vallas and Johnson, making it more like 46% 35%.

Johnson would need nearly an 80% split of the undecideds in such a scenario to get past 50%.

That's a tall hill.

But not impossible.

Sure. It seems almost like a foregone conclusion that Vallas will win based on the polls so far. Most likely that won’t change unless something big occurs to effect public opinion between now and April 4th.