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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut
Personally, I'd build the HSR terminal at "Level 2" on top of the existing tracks, possibly including the HandyDart depot, and integrate that with PCS proper; there should be enough room left over for a Level 2 (or 3) overpass to the SkyTrain.
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I would point out that doing so would destroy a good chunk of Thornton Park.
Also, that just demolishing Thornton Park would actually be the most economical solution here (and viable, ignoring the part where it's a park) - considering that Vancouver can't sell the airspace the same way as they can on Waterfront considering nearby zoning and industrial uses as well as the viewcones.
Unless they need to expand St. Paul's onto the rail tracks, they wouldn't be able to recoup the cost of building on top of the rail tracks to build a transit hub.
Waterfront may actually be cheaper accounting for redevelopment potential (depending on if you're willing to block the view of the harbor from Gastown, which last time Vancouver City Council wasn't willing to do.)
Unless you move the interregional bus terminal at Pacific Central or the rail depot, there's no space for extra tracks to put an HSR station.
It would be nice to have a covered connection from St. Paul's to Main Street Station, though.
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Originally Posted by Tvisforme
"...rebuild Main Street station to be part of Pacific Central..."
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How exactly? Moving Main Street Station east is not possible anymore due to the new office/industrial building that's being built next to Pacific Central.
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Originally Posted by Helvetia
Do you know where on the forum (maybe which thread to dig through) I could find those numbers? I'd be genuinely curious.
Edit: assuming those are numbers for the Expo by itself. TransLink usually bundles the ridership numbers for the Expo and Millennium
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https://www.canadianconsultingengineer.com/awards/pdfs/2012/F8_ExpoLineUpgradeStrategyVancouver.pdf
The numbers TransLink is using. Add an extra 5-10% capacity from the new MKIII/Vs
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Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut
SkyTrain service has managed 90-second headways in the past, so just with napkin math, 40 trains x 4 cars/train x 125 passengers/car is 20k pphpd. The theoretical maximum of 5-car trains every 75 seconds gives 30k. And right now, the busiest part of the network is Stadium to Metrotown at... 10k. No need to worry about crowding for a very, very long time.
I vote for Pacific Central as the HSR terminus. Waterfront's already crowded enough with local commuters, and it doesn't look like it has the space to also accommodate international traffic and customs.
Either one. I know neither are particularly high-demand or high-TOD routes, but I'm thinking the Production Way spur'll become even more of a nuisance in the future and will need a substitute.
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Skytrain at its absolute peak has a pphpd of 15,000 (2 minute headways). The link from the forum assumes 3 min headways, which isn't the case.
Also, from the report:
Even just the low-end estimate brings us to needing an Expo relief around 2050-2060.
You could mitigate this by moving the bus lines into a grid format that they doesn't funnel in to Skytrain, as well as Express rail/highway bus routes, but you're still looking at something we should keep in mind, and NOT funnel people onto the Expo by putting an HSR terminal on the busiest section of the Expo Line.
This is also why ending an HSR in Surrey is dumb. All it does is funnel more users onto the Expo (also, no one wants to start a Vacation in Vancouver at Surrey.)
Note that the Translink graph is overshooting a bit, as the projection lines include what you need to avoid pass-ups in the worst-case scenarios.
You can avoid the Production-Way branch being a problem by making it a separate line with a 2nd parallel station at Columbia, as I suggested earlier, instead of the 2nd Skybridge for the Scott Road Line.
Also, a bit of iffy fantasy, but if Pac Central gets removed/passed aside for Waterfront, I would want a replica or the actual façade to the station be moved to/built in Surrey for the Surrey HSR Station.
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