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[dmacc]

I don't blame Chevy for not making any moves. Over the last 6-10 weeks the Jets have proven not to be a team worth investing in. The beginning of the season has proven to be the result of a hot start sparked by new coaching. The inability to maintain the early pace has made adding to this team at the expense of the future untenable.

We need to go into the playoffs with what we have and just be happy we made it. At the beginning of the year I would have been thrilled to hear we would be competing in the top 3 of our division.

[thurmas]

To me 4 playoff runs in 12 years is enough, time to start fresh with a new gm. Chevy and Chipman are too conservative and too loyal sometimes and gotta swing for the fences sometimes even if they fail rather than this constant cycle of mediocrity trying to find gems in the 30% off bin at superstore cough cough Nino Niederreiter.

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

Why would they have moved on from Chevy in 2019? If we look at the Jets drafting record in the 2010's it's better than most teams, and light years ahead of what the Thrashers did.

It was even said that between 2011-15, the Jets had one of the best drafting periods in the NHL. Things have not been as rosy from 2016-19, but then again the Jets were starting to become a legitimate competitor. The 2016 draft year is the only one that really stands out, due to the fact Laine didn't pan out as expected after 2018, and Stanley was a poor choice.

There have also been rumours that Chevy was looking at replacing Maurice, but Chipman overruled this. I also don't think people consider how difficult Chevy's job is, acquiring free agents or players in trades, as Winnipeg is the #1 on the NMC for NHL players.

In spite of this, Chevy hasn't made any horrible trades. Chevy fleeced Buffalo in the Evander Kane trade. We also arguably got the better of the PLD-Laine trade. Trouba insisted on going to a team in the NYC area, so it severely limited him on who he could acquire.

Ultimately, I think Chevy has done a great job, especially if we compare the Jets to other Canadian teams. The 2.0 Jets are also far better than the 1.0 Winnipeg Jets ever were. People are talking about the Jets like they are at Ottawa or Vancouver level over the past 5 years.

Jets drafting has been average and only that because of the draft positions they were in!

Don't know how you think the Jets won the Kane trade, not one player involved in that trade is still here, the #1 oick got us Roslo who Chevy used as a throw in for the overpayment to get PLD who doesn't even want to be here and will soon bolt! Giving up a 1st for Hayes was pure stupidity as was moving down in the 1st round to protect the underwhelming Enstrom who they didn’t want anyway and then lost out in drafting Suzuki! Vesalainen was one of Chevy’s brilliant 1st round picks FFS!

Jets success has more to do with having a Vezina level goaltender than anything else~!

[rrskylar]

So Chevy busy scouring the NHL bargain bins for the red tag specials?

[bomberjet]

Plan the parade!! Chevy picked up a guy traded 4 times at the deadline int he last 6 years.

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Plan the parade!! Chevy picked up a guy traded 4 times at the deadline int he last 6 years.

Another non-scoring forward, just what the Jets need!

[blueandgoldguy]

What's funny is we lose Mikey Eyssimont on waivers to San Jose, then he was traded to Tampa Bay for Namestikov, who in turn traded Namestikov to the jets for a 4th!

[wags_in_the_peg]

our core will get us to the glory land

[CoryB]

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

Why would they have moved on from Chevy in 2019? If we look at the Jets drafting record in the 2010's it's better than most teams, and light years ahead of what the Thrashers did.

The Little and Wheeler long term, big value deals killing the cap and limiting the teams ability to chase free agents.

Getting nothing in return when we gave away our first round draft pick from 2015.

Downgrading out 2016 draft pick in the Laine trade.

Giving up our 2018 first round pick to get Statsny and then losing out on renewing his contract to Vegas who offered more money.

Giving up our 2019 first round pick to pickup Hayes as the deadline.

Accepting Statsny back at the salary Vegas offered him when Vegas got themselves into a cap jam.

The whole Buff situation.

The state of the D line.

And all that is without even getting into how the most basically level of cap management you have four piles of cash - forwards, d, goalies and extra. Chevy has dumped way more than other teams on his forwards, often with questionable amounts or contract lengths. It has left the cupboard empty when it is time to put an offer out there for D players and is the biggest reason no one wants to come here, we simply don't have the cap space to pay them. That he could blow something so fundamental to his position is befuddling.

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

It was even said that between 2011-15, the Jets had one of the best drafting periods in the NHL. Things have not been as rosy from 2016-19

Let's be real here, drafting is all about the scouts that are out there finding the talent and presenting it to management, Chevy included, in a meaningful way. Chevy has almost as little to do with which players than team drafts as random people posting to online forums about the team.

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

There have also been rumours that Chevy was looking at replacing Maurice, but Chipman overruled this. I also don't think people consider how difficult Chevy's job is, acquiring free agents or players in trades, as Winnipeg is the #1 on the NMC for NHL players.

See some of my previous comments. As I said a day or two ago the rot in the organization starts at a level higher than Chevy. And Chevy's cap mismanagement has FAR more to do with why free agents and trades aren't coming this way than any other factor. When you lack the cap space you can't sign top tier players.

Originally Posted by BlackDog204

In spite of this, Chevy hasn't made any horrible trades.

Covered in detail above how for many seasons Chevy was absolutely bent over by other teams in the league in terms of trades.

[JHikka]

Originally Posted by CoryB

Let's be real here, drafting is all about the scouts that are out there finding the talent and presenting it to management, Chevy included, in a meaningful way. Chevy has almost as little to do with which players than team drafts as random people posting to online forums about the team.

The GM ultimately makes the final call, usually in tandem with the Head Scout and Head of Player Development. It's up to them to sell the player to the GM on draft day. The scouts feed the Head Scout who feeds the GM.

[trueviking]

"The Little and Wheeler long term, big value deals killing the cap and limiting the teams ability to chase free agents."

I never understand wheeler hate....they signed him to a long term deal in his prime...that's what everyone does....if you don't give them that they go somewhere else....he has been elite for most of the contract and even at the end, when most teams are being crushed under an albatross, he is still almost a point per game player....most teams dont get that lucky.

of course he's not worth what he is making this year, but that's not how long term contracts work....you pay for the early years and hope you are ok at the end...his points per game are as good as Dubois and Scheifele...at age 36....the jets did more than ok on that contract.

[wags_in_the_peg]

Originally Posted by trueviking

"The Little and Wheeler long term, big value deals killing the cap and limiting the teams ability to chase free agents."

I never understand wheeler hate....they signed him to a long term deal in his prime...that's what everyone does....if you don't give them that they go somewhere else....he has been elite for most of the contract and even at the end, when most teams are being crushed under an albatross, he is still almost a point per game player....most teams dont get that lucky.

of course he's not worth what he is making this year, but that's not how long term contracts work....you pay for the early years and hope you are ok at the end...his points per game are as good as Dubois and Scheifele...at age 36....the jets did more than ok on that contract.

100% facts! Totally agree

[blueandgoldguy]

Points don't tell the whole story. Wheeler hasn't been the play driver he once was 4 years ago. While he racks up points he hasn't been as impactful on the ice since the end of his prime in 2019ish or 2020ish. With that said it's not like his $8 million contract is that crippling. He probably plays at a $6.5 million level or so.

Chevy and his scouts have been pretty suspect since the 2016 draft post Laine. Trading up to draft an underwhelming Stanley started it all. Vesalainen in 2017 was a bust. No first rounder in 2018 but the rest of that draft looks like it won't produce anything other than 4th liner. 2019 draft produced a defenseman in Heinola with a lot of questions as to whether he can adjust to a top-4 role in the NHL. 2020 looks better with Perfetti - just a question as to how good he can be.

The fact of the matter is that Winnipeg is being outdrafted by opposing GMS and Scouts on divisional rivals in Minnesota and Dallas despite those teams drafting in similar or worse positions than the Jets.

Dallas drafted a franchise defenseman (Heiskanan), a franchise goalie (Oettinger, a couple picks after Vesalainen oof) and a franchise winger in Robertson in one draft. That's better than anything the Jets have drafted in the past 7 years.

For good measure, Dallas also drafted Wyatt Johnson in 2021 who already has 28 points in his draft + 2 season. Meanwhile, a few picks earlier the Jets drafted oft-injured Chaz Lucius who has had his season end prematurely 3 years in a row missing crucial development time thanks to injuries. Oh, and Dallas drafted Stankhoven in the 2nd round who happens to be one of the top-10 prospects in all of hockey.

Minnesota has what is considered the number 1 farm system in the NHL despite never picking near the top of the draft. They are also ahead of the Jets in the standings despite having $14 million in dead cap space to deal with this year and the next couple years.

Given our decent, but not great pool of prospects and increasing likelihood that all of Hellybuyck, Dubois and Scheifele will not sign extensions with the team, there will likely be an additional 6 or 7 year period without the playoffs in Winnipeg, maybe longer. The rebuild will be painful and slow.

[bomberjet]

Preach.

I hate to be the downer. But Jets will not be in a good position both on the ice and in the stands 3 years from now. Unless they make major trades very soon. And that is very unlikely.

[rrskylar]

Originally Posted by bomberjet

Preach.

I hate to be the downer. But Jets will not be in a good position both on the ice and in the stands 3 years from now. Unless they make major trades very soon. And that is very unlikely.

One win in the last 8 games, second smallest home crowd last game, Chevy has built another real masterpiece!

Never mind 3 years from now…..

HFBoards guys even missing sipowicz!

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by blueandgoldguy

They probably would have qualified for a couple of those years given loser points awarded for OT/shootout losses awarded today whereas back then an OT loss resulted in 0 points. Some of those ties back then would have also resulted in a shootout/OT wins with 3 on 3 play. There's a reason we see 18 or so teams finish with 90 or more points nowadays.

If we look at the Jets 2.0 teams, and add the Overtime Losses to the regulation time losses, they still would qualify:

2014-15: 43-39
2017-18: 52-30
2018-19: 47-35
2019-20: 37-34
2020-21: 30-26

As I said before, the NHL Jets 1.0 were not good.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by trueviking

"The Little and Wheeler long term, big value deals killing the cap and limiting the teams ability to chase free agents."

I never understand wheeler hate....they signed him to a long term deal in his prime...that's what everyone does....if you don't give them that they go somewhere else....he has been elite for most of the contract and even at the end, when most teams are being crushed under an albatross, he is still almost a point per game player....most teams dont get that lucky.

of course he's not worth what he is making this year, but that's not how long term contracts work....you pay for the early years and hope you are ok at the end...his points per game are as good as Dubois and Scheifele...at age 36....the jets did more than ok on that contract.

You are correct, sir. Signing Wheeler are a good move.

[dennis]

When the Jets first relocated, they were not a good team. We drafted quite Well in the following drafts. Schiefelle, Trouba, Ehlers, Connor and Laine. Plus we scored big on Hellebuyck. I don’t know how players performed better than others relative to them in the draft standings. If you have some mediocre seasons, you will have a higher probability of drafting better players. Since 2018 or so the Jets tended to do fairly well, making the playoffs almost every year, therefore having lower draft picks.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by rrskylar

Don't know how you think the Jets won the Kane trade, not one player involved in that trade is still here, the #1 oick got us Roslo who Chevy used as a throw in for the overpayment to get PLD who doesn't even want to be here and will soon bolt!

On the flip side, none of the players we gave to Buffalo are still with that organisation. It was 8 years ago.

The Jets won the Evander Kane trade, hands down. You are actually one of the only people I have heard, that disagrees.

[BlackDog204]

Originally Posted by dennis

When the Jets first relocated, they were not a good team. We drafted quite Well in the following drafts. Schiefelle, Trouba, Ehlers, Connor and Laine. Plus we scored big on Hellebuyck. I don’t know how players performed better than others relative to them in the draft standings. If you have some mediocre seasons, you will have a higher probability of drafting better players. Since 2018 or so the Jets tended to do fairly well, making the playoffs almost every year, therefore having lower draft picks.

For the 2011-15 drafts, the players the Jets selected were all home runs. Scheifele, Trouba, Morrissey, Ehlers, and Connor. For a late 1st rounder, Roslovic has performed well.

The Jets need to have players pan out after the first round. Hellebuyck, Lowry, Petan, Copp, Poolman, Harkins, and Appleton all played over 100 games in the NHL. Since 2015, we haven't had much luck. Only Samberg looks like he is going to become a regular NHL player.

It's too early to evaluate the 2020's drafts. I just hope they players the Jets drafted are an improvement from 2016-19.