[Moncton] Downtown Developments - Page 333

NBNYer · #**6641** Posted **Feb 7, 2023, 1:55 AM**

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad

The rezoning is complete, but with the developer not knowing exactly how tall he can build, I imagine that there will be further delay (perhaps significant) before we see shovels in the ground.

I understood this line as the rezoning now allowing for a "6 to 10 story" building. Wouldn't this now allow the development to move forward? Or was is "6 or 10 story" building?

MonctonDowntown · #**6642** Posted **Feb 7, 2023, 2:09 AM**

I’ve sent Mayor Arnold a question to clarify 1333 Main Street. Stay tuned.

MonctonRad · #**6643** Posted **Feb 7, 2023, 2:29 AM**

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Originally Posted by NBNYer

I understood this line as the rezoning now allowing for a "6 to 10 story" building. Wouldn't this now allow the development to move forward? Or was is "6 or 10 story" building?

It is very confusing. The developer wants 10 storeys. The tomato lady wants 6 storeys. The city council has approved rezoning for a 6-10 storey building.

What does this mean. You may be right in that if no accommodation can be made, then the developer is free to proceed with a 10 storey building, but, it appears to throw the tomato lady a bone, and, I suspect things may drag out, perhaps to the point that construction might not occur this season.

I think it would have been better just to allow the rezoning to accommodate a 10 storey building PERIOD. No ambiguity. No confusion. No false hope for the tomato lady.............

Feneant · #**6644** Posted **Feb 7, 2023, 11:05 AM**

What happens if the developer can't build 10 stories and decides not to build as they couldn't make a profit? Do they have legal recourse against either tomato lady or the city, or are they basically screwed?

It's ridiculous that a single person may be able to set this type of precedence that could impact all future developments in Moncton.

MonctonDowntown · #**6645** Posted **Feb 7, 2023, 11:32 AM**

I heard from Mayor Arnold. She said that the decision last night gives the developer permission to build either a 6-story or a 10-story (apparently the building code is VERY different between the two, so one or the other).

More info here including some quotes from the developer:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/moncton-council-rezoning-building-blakney-1.6738805

Riberview · #**6646** Posted **Feb 7, 2023, 11:39 AM**

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Originally Posted by MonctonDowntown

I heard from Mayor Arnold. She said that the decision last night gives the developer permission to build either a 6-story or a 10-story (apparently the building code is VERY different between the two, so one or the other).

More info here including some quotes from the developer:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/moncton-council-rezoning-building-blakney-1.6738805

Thanks for reaching out!

NBNYer · #**6647** Posted **Feb 7, 2023, 12:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by MonctonDowntown

I heard from Mayor Arnold. She said that the decision last night gives the developer permission to build either a 6-story or a 10-story (apparently the building code is VERY different between the two, so one or the other).

More info here including some quotes from the developer:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/moncton-council-rezoning-building-blakney-1.6738805

My reading of the situation; The city has essentially left the developer and tomato lady to try and hash it out by allowing both development possibilities.

The developer, not wanting to appear unsympathetic to neighborhood concerns, is trying to put the onus back onto the city by asking for financial compensation for the potential loss of revenue of a smaller building.

In this scenario, the city would end up with decreased residential density in the downtown, a decreased potential taxbase and in addition would pay out compensation to the developer. I'd be very surprised to see the city agreeing to this.

MonctonRad · #**6648** Posted **Feb 7, 2023, 12:44 PM**

Agree 100%. The developer wants compensation to go to six floors. I imagine the city will be disinclined to do so. I remain hopeful that the final product will remain 10 storeys.

Apparently the final decision by the developer will be made in a few weeks time, with groundbreaking still expected to occur in the springtime.

Six storeys is a bad idea. The default apartment building height in the city is six storeys. This would only exacerbate this trend. We need some 8, 10 & 12 storey buildings to mix things up.

NBNYer · #**6649** Posted **Feb 7, 2023, 1:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Agree 100%. The developer wants compensation to go to six floors. I imagine the city will be disinclined to do so. I remain hopeful that the final product will remain 10 storeys.

Apparently the final decision by the developer will be made in a few weeks time, with groundbreaking still expected to occur in the springtime.

Six storeys is a bad idea. The default apartment building height in the city is six storeys. This would only exacerbate this trend. We need some 8, 10 & 12 storey buildings to mix things up.

Main street deserves better than another generic 6-storey building, especially at the VH intersection. The developer and the city understand this but none want to be seen as the "bad guy". I also tend to be optimistic. I guess we'll see soon enough.

lirette · #**6650** Posted **Feb 7, 2023, 2:57 PM**

I really hope they can get this thing to 10 stories. I've always liked having a bit more of an imposing view as you enter a city and having a 10 story building here will have a much more urban feel.

Imagine how different it would look with a 10 story here and then another large tower across the street where the "future hotel" is marked on Tannerys plan.

I'm also baffled how a single person could make such an impact on a project just due to some shadows.

PEI highway guy · #**6651** Posted **Feb 7, 2023, 4:30 PM**

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Originally Posted by lirette

I really hope they can get this thing to 10 stories. I've always liked having a bit more of an imposing view as you enter a city and having a 10 story building here will have a much more urban feel.

Imagine how different it would look with a 10 story here and then another large tower across the street where the "future hotel" is marked on Tannerys plan.

I'm also baffled how a single person could make such an impact on a project just due to some shadows.

As a former resident of the area and watching development in the City from afar, I am shocked the 10 storey proposal was not approved. A dangerous precedent may have been set and now anyone may/could stop a project not to their liking. Now my hope is this resident will never be satisfied and the developerwill just be so fed up and they builds the 10 storeys as proposed. As the 10 storey option was apgproved I am unsure what a cranky citizen could do to stop them.

Riberview · #**6652** Posted **Feb 7, 2023, 5:10 PM**

Developer should buy every remaining house on Atlantic Avenue and build it taller.

20 floors here we come!

adamuptownsj · #**6653** Posted **Feb 7, 2023, 7:43 PM**

I think we're reading a little too much into it. The developer wanted approval to build a 10-storey building. They got it. Council is just doing CYA regarding the tomato tsarina/Heinz heiress/whatever.

NBNYer · #**6654** Posted **Feb 8, 2023, 6:51 PM**

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad

The next meeting of the Moncton PAC is scheduled for February 22nd. Usually the agenda and companion planning documents are made available on the internet two weeks beforehand, which would be February 8th. There are two substantial and or character changing development in the core whose announcement is imminent. Will we see information regarding these two developments on the 8th, or will we have to wait another month. I'm bursting at the seams to let you know what's on the horizon, but I am sworn to secrecy. Hopefully all will be revealed next week.

Any news on these?

MonctonRad · #**6655** Posted **Feb 8, 2023, 7:04 PM**

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Any news on these?

Not yet. The documents are usually put up at the end of the day.

MonctonRad · #**6656** Posted **Feb 8, 2023, 11:02 PM**

PAC agenda is now up.

Nothing of significance, just a series of five identical two storey eight unit apartment buildings scattered throughout the city which appear to be affordable housing initiatives on behalf of Rising Tide.

I am not really surprised there is nothing in the PAC agenda about the two upcoming developments that I am aware of. In both cases, the proponents are eager to make the announcements themselves, and in one case, I am sure there will be lots of politicians on the podium too, looking for their moment in the sun. They will make sure that there is no "accidental" disclosure prior to the official announcement. I'm sure town planning is being very careful about information seepage.

NBNYer · #**6657** Posted **Feb 8, 2023, 11:47 PM**

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad

PAC agenda is now up.

Nothing of significance, just a series of five identical two storey eight unit apartment buildings scattered throughout the city which appear to be affordable housing initiatives on behalf of Rising Tide.

I am not really surprised there is nothing in the PAC agenda about the two upcoming developments that I am aware of. In both cases, the proponents are eager to make the announcements themselves, and in one case, I am sure there will be lots of politicians on the podium too, looking for their moment in the sun. They will make sure that there is no "accidental" disclosure prior to the official announcement. I'm sure town planning is being very careful about information seepage.

The anticipation is killing me.

MonctonRad · #**6658** Posted **Feb 14, 2023, 4:01 PM**

In the T&T today that the tomato lady and her minions are doubling down on the pressure. They have started a petition and have collected over 300 names.

They should be ignored. City council has already given it's blessing to a 10 storey building. It is up to the developer to decide if he wants to reduce building height. I hope he doesn't cave to the pressure.

SevenSquared · #**6659** Posted **Feb 14, 2023, 4:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad

In the T&T today that the tomato lady and her minions are doubling down on the pressure. They have started a petition and have collected over 300 names.

They should be ignored. City council has already given it's blessing to a 10 storey building. It is up to the developer to decide if he wants to reduce building height. I hope he doesn't cave to the pressure.

It's absolute peak selfishness.... actively preventing housing from being built for 300+ people, at the biggest intersection of a city, during a housing crisis.

PEI highway guy · #**6660** Posted **Feb 14, 2023, 5:16 PM**

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Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Agree 100%. The developer wants compensation to go to six floors. I imagine the city will be disinclined to do so. I remain hopeful that the final product will remain 10 storeys.

Apparently the final decision by the developer will be made in a few weeks time, with groundbreaking still expected to occur in the springtime.

Six storeys is a bad idea. The default apartment building height in the city is six storeys. This would only exacerbate this trend. We need some 8, 10 & 12 storey buildings to mix things up.

I had a feeling that this womsn wwould be less than reasonable when the 6/ 10 proposal came up. Maybe the apartment owners should just ignore the noise and apply for a permit to build the 10 storeys. I doubt she has the funds to mount a legal challenge