Canadian Airport Thread

[AuxTown]

Ottawa can easily handle double it's pre-pandemic passenger volume and I think we will get there someday. With many flights to smaller Canadian destinations, people will choose to connect to Paris/London through Ottawa to avoid the chaos that is YYZ and YUL. Just need to get LHR back....

[vr6x]

https://halifaxstanfield.ca/news-release...ong-canadas-fastest-recovering-airports/

Total: 3,107,425 +189%

Halifax Stanfield was Canada’s second fastest-recovering Tier 1 airport and the country’s sixth busiest airport, surpassing YOW and YWG.

[MountainView]

Originally Posted by Calfan12

AIR CANADA MOVES TORONTO – BRUSSELS LAUNCH TO AUGUST 2023

Air Canada this week filed revised operation for Toronto – Brussels route. The Star Alliance member will now operate this route from 01AUG23, two months later than planned. Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner operates this route 5 times weekly.

AC834 YYZ1830 – 0745+1BRU 788 x15
AC835 BRU1015 – 1220YYZ 788 x26

Service during Northern winter 2023/24 season is scheduled 4 weekly, from 29OCT23.

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230202-acbru

So you're saying there's a Dreamliner 5x weekly available beginning this summer..... (YOW-LHR anyone?)

(sarcasm but with a hint of seriousness)

[YOWflier]

Yeah the timing of that certainly seemed curious lol.

[Calfan12]

Originally Posted by vr6x

https://halifaxstanfield.ca/news-release...ong-canadas-fastest-recovering-airports/

Total: 3,107,425 +189%

Halifax Stanfield was Canada’s second fastest-recovering Tier 1 airport and the country’s sixth busiest airport, surpassing YOW and YWG.

Nice,congrats to Halifax YHZ for having a strong 2022! It will continue to increase in 2023.

YHZ is a destination in Canada I would like travel to at some point for a trip.

[Zmonkey]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

The Japanese love Banff. This should be popular.

The Japanese love PEI too (Anne of Green Gables). Maybe WestJet should offer a Calgary/Charlottetown direct route to coincide with this.

There used to be a charter Tokyo- Halifax flight for the fall colours before Covid. Wonder if that will ever come back.

[Calfan12]

AIR FRANCE NS23 QUEBEC CITY AIRCRAFT CHANGES

Air France in 2023 is adjusting operational aircraft for its seasonal Paris CDG – Quebec City route. In its second year of seasonal operation in Northern summer season, the Skyteam member will now operate Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner 3 times weekly, instead of Airbus A330-200 aircraft.

The seasonal service is scheduled from 02MAY23 to 27OCT23.

AF352 CDG2045 – 2155YQB 789 257
AF353 YQB2355 – 1220+1CDG 789 257

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230202-afyqb

[kattiff]

Flair is adding Victoria, Kelowna and London ON to Winnipeg

[kwoldtimer]

Originally Posted by kattiff

Flair is adding Victoria, Kelowna and London ON to Winnipeg

Serving Winnipeg from both Kitchener and London strikes me as potential overkill.

[nname]

Originally Posted by kwoldtimer

Serving Winnipeg from both Kitchener and London strikes me as potential overkill.

Maybe Windsor is next, then Hamilton when they're ready to move back.

Wonder where else can they fly to in Southern Ontario...?

[thenoflyzone]

YXX posted 2022 numbers as well.

Total: 992,712 +97.0%

https://canadatoday.news/bc/abbotsford-i...-million-passenger-mark-for-2022-135343/

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by vr6x

https://halifaxstanfield.ca/news-release...ong-canadas-fastest-recovering-airports/

Total: 3,107,425 +189%

Halifax Stanfield was Canada’s second fastest-recovering Tier 1 airport and the country’s sixth busiest airport, surpassing YOW and YWG.

It’s interesting they consider themselves a tier 1 airport. I don’t.

YYZ/YVR/YUL/YYC are very much in a tier of their own. I consider YHZ as a tier 2 airport, along YEG/YOW/YWG.

I guess one can slice the tiers however they see fit. Who knows.

It’s also interesting they already know they’re the second fastest recovering tier 1 airport (so they say). YUL will probably be the first, but considering YYZ hasn’t released any Q4 data yet, how can they be sure YYZ doesn’t come close to second spot? Did they phone GTAA to get the numbers first? Did they extrapolate?…

[Hali87]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

It’s interesting they consider themselves a tier 1 airport. I don’t.

YYZ/YVR/YUL/YYC are very much in a tier of their own. I consider YHZ as a tier 2 airport, along YEG/YOW/YWG.

I guess one can slice the tiers however they see fit. Who knows.

I agree with this split (or maybe even with YYZ in another tier) but I think the "tier" has more to do with the services and infrastructure provided. And not even so much the "amount" of services but "does it check all the boxes or not".

These could be things like US preclearance (does it have it or not), Customs staff (enough to handle the largest planes, or not), is there enough space for the largest planes to land based on typical conditions, does the ATC/navigational stuff meet X standard or not, does it have a hotel and/or amenities for airline staff, etc. I'm not sure what the actual criteria are.

[Hali87]

Originally Posted by AuxTown

Ottawa can easily handle double it's pre-pandemic passenger volume and I think we will get there someday. With many flights to smaller Canadian destinations, people will choose to connect to Paris/London through Ottawa to avoid the chaos that is YYZ and YUL. Just need to get LHR back....

This is what I meant about YHZ as well. As long as the prices and overall travel times weren't a huge disadvantage I would definitely choose to transfer through YOW vs YYZ and probably even YUL, and I assume there won't be much difference in price or travel time. YOW doesn't seem to be as crushed to its limits and it seems like there'd be less risk of something going wrong or extremely long waits. It's also quite a nice airport in its own right.

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by MountainView

So you're saying there's a Dreamliner 5x weekly available beginning this summer..... (YOW-LHR anyone?)

(sarcasm but with a hint of seriousness)

Probably has more to do with aircraft and crew shortages. Who would want to lose almost 2/3 of the summer peak?

[Drybrain]

Originally Posted by Hali87

I agree with this split (or maybe even with YYZ in another tier) but I think the "tier" has more to do with the services and infrastructure provided. And not even so much the "amount" of services but "does it check all the boxes or not".

These could be things like US preclearance (does it have it or not), Customs staff (enough to handle the largest planes, or not), is there enough space for the largest planes to land based on typical conditions, does the ATC/navigational stuff meet X standard or not, does it have a hotel and/or amenities for airline staff, etc. I'm not sure what the actual criteria are.

Tier criteria are here. Definitely a lot of daylight between an airport like YHZ (4-5 million pre-pandemic passengers annually, 300-350,000 international) and Pearson (50 million and 18 million, respectively) but the criteria themselves are cut and dry.

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

It’s interesting they consider themselves a tier 1 airport. I don’t.

YYZ/YVR/YUL/YYC are very much in a tier of their own. I consider YHZ as a tier 2 airport, along YEG/YOW/YWG.

I guess one can slice the tiers however they see fit. Who knows.

It’s also interesting they already know they’re the second fastest recovering tier 1 airport (so they say). YUL will probably be the first, but considering YYZ hasn’t released any Q4 data yet, how can they be sure YYZ doesn’t come close to second spot? Did they phone GTAA to get the numbers first? Did they extrapolate?…

I know you can relate to this in terms of measuring tiers - aircraft movements. On that metric, Boundary Bay and Springbank rank right up there.

[thenoflyzone]

Originally Posted by Drybrain

Tier criteria are here. Definitely a lot of daylight between an airport like YHZ (4-5 million pre-pandemic passengers annually, 300-350,000 international) and Pearson (50 million and 18 million, respectively) but the criteria themselves are cut and dry.

…..according to CBSA. It’s important to clarify.

Their criterias are a bit weird and self serving (distance to the nearest CBSA service location? Really? Why? Who cares, besides them.) Can you name me a tier 3 or 4 airport, according to them? Yeah. Me neither.

[Calfan12]

AIR FRANCE SCHEDULES OTTAWA LATE-JUNE 2023 LAUNCH

Air France yesterday (02FEB23) announced new service launch to Canada, with the opening of Paris CDG – Ottawa reservations for travel on/after 27JUN23. The Skyteam member will be the first carrier to serve Trans-Atlantic flight to/from Ottawa since the pandemic.

Airbus A330-200 aircraft will operate this route 5 times weekly on year-round basis.

AF328 CDG1310 – 1505YOW 332 x35
AF327 YOW1705 – 0615+1CDG 332 x35

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/230203-afyow

[nname]

Originally Posted by thenoflyzone

…..according to CBSA. It’s important to clarify.

Their criterias are a bit weird and self serving (distance to the nearest CBSA service location? Really? Why? Who cares, besides them.) Can you name me a tier 3 or 4 airport, according to them? Yeah. Me neither.

If they meant "Class" 1, 2, and 3, then here are the list:

Class 1
Class 2
Class 3

Any other airport would be Class 4?