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Old Posted Jan 17, 2023, 7:23 PM
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https://www.abc4.com/news/wasatch-fr...-stadium-site/

In this article its talking about how they are trying to get some community input on the future of the ballpark site. I like the idea that they are actively trying to at least get the public input on this. There are cash incentives for the people that have the best ideas for the property. Hopefully this will work how it's supposed to and get some creative ideas going that will be a boost that's desperately needed for that area of the city. Hopefully it doesn't turn into another point of the mountain situation where the development company with the deepest pockets wins out over what is actually best for the city. Crossing fingers that they can put something awesome there, and build on the development happening right up the road at the old sears site where the hospital is going, as well as so many other areas of the city
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Old Posted Jan 17, 2023, 7:38 PM
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Do you happen to know what is going on at Yardstick? I know they've been looking to land lease it for 20 years, which is ridiculous. But was someone dumb enough to improve their property for them for that small of an investment horizon?
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Old Posted Jan 17, 2023, 8:37 PM
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[QUOTE=Reeder113;9841297]Salt Lake Bees announce plan to move to new Daybreak stadium by 2025

https://www.ksl.com/article/50559255...tadium-by-2025



The Larry H. Miller Company, which owns the Triple-A minor league club, announced Tuesday that it plans to build a new stadium in South Jordan's Daybreak community, which is set to be ready for the 2025 season. Company officials said the stadium is being built with private funds, with construction beginning later this year.


Had the inside scoop about this when I brought it up awhile back, but wasn’t allowed to say anything. Was hoping it wouldn’t come to fruition but looks like it has. On the one hand I do live significantly closer to Daybreak so it will be nice to be close to the new stadium. The ”old” stadium in SLC was fun to go to and centrally located for the majority on the Wasatch front. I can see the appeal of either location. My fantasy would be to somehow fit an MLB stadium downtown somewhere. Maybe eat up a street if need be. Instead of the hospital on the sears block put an MLB stadium there and remove a few buildings/streets to the west, north or south. I know this is not logistically possible and is why it’s my “fantasy”. Going to Coors Field in downtown Denver is always a blast even with an abysmal team because of being right downtown

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Old Posted Jan 17, 2023, 11:18 PM
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https://www.abc4.com/news/wasatch-fr...-stadium-site/

In this article its talking about how they are trying to get some community input on the future of the ballpark site. I like the idea that they are actively trying to at least get the public input on this. There are cash incentives for the people that have the best ideas for the property. Hopefully this will work how it's supposed to and get some creative ideas going that will be a boost that's desperately needed for that area of the city. Hopefully it doesn't turn into another point of the mountain situation where the development company with the deepest pockets wins out over what is actually best for the city. Crossing fingers that they can put something awesome there, and build on the development happening right up the road at the old sears site where the hospital is going, as well as so many other areas of the city
Something awesome there already exists.

We've had one of the nicest, and largest, Minor League ballparks in the country - one that was replicated multiple times by other franchises, and it's about to become part of the dustbin of history.

I am sad. I am sad as a life-long Salt Laker who was always proud of that ballpark and the role it played in a struggling community. I am frustrated the Millers have been on this course ever since Larry bought the team in 2005 and that there was nothing that could have saved this move.

The Bees have been trash since Miller bought 'em and yet still received a strong level of support. They generally finish toward the bottom of their division but almost always toward the top of the PCL in attendance (last season, they were 4th in the PCL - despite a losing campaign). They haven't made the playoffs in ten years.

But they've been itching to move the team since 2005. And now they can build their own stadium in their own planned community they own.

What's sad is that while I know the Miller Family owes nothing to Salt Lake, they've absolutely been absent in doing anything to either renovate downtown when they owned the Jazz and Delta Center - or the area around the ballpark. Granted, they didn't own the ballpark but not once did they ever partner with the city to work to make that neighborhood more than it ever has been. Ironically, the city has invested a great deal there and it's now just starting to pay off with some strong development - only for this to happen...ripping away an anchor that has fueled the area for 100+ years.

But I'm not surprised. It was similar downtown. The Millers received a really nice tax break to build the Delta Center in Salt Lake, an arena they owned and made a lot of money on, and yet did absolutely nothing to help develop the area around the arena.

It was the federal government funding the cleanup of the Brownfield area west of the arena, the relocation of the railyard and the creation of the Gateway, ten years after the Delta Center opened, that really brought life to that part of downtown.

Prior to the Gateway, the western-edge of downtown was pathetic, even in the years after the Delta Center opened.

Yet we'll happily call the Millers stewards of the community. I don't see it - not the Salt Lake community. They've worked to abandon the city at every turn - whether it was when they bought the Golden Eagles in the early 90s and sold 'em off to Detroit, relocated their corporate offices out of downtown and now taking Salt Lake's baseball team out to the south-end of the valley.

Frankly, I'm glad they sold the Jazz because I think they would have relocated the Jazz out that way if they could have.

I'm sad the ballpark is likely going to be demolished. You're not going to find a finer minor league ballpark.

And the kicker? I bet the one they do build out in Daybreak will be at least 4,000 seats fewer than Smith's.

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Old Posted Jan 18, 2023, 12:51 AM
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Re-posting Paniolo Man's post from several posts ago.

Incredibly re-post worthy.

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Grabbed a bunch of photos today of projects underway, planned, and prospective. Sorry if the quality and angles are sub-optimal, I was in a hurry.

Post District Residences. (I hate billboards)


Hawaii did it right outlawing billboards.


Royal Wood is actively being prepared for demolition.



Worthington



Zephyr Lofts



Lusso Apartments



Main Street Apartments (Formerly Pantages)



Former CenturyLink Data Center.



218 W Broadway



Moda Luxe



City Creek Cascade (Indefinitely postponed)



Old Zion's Bank Building. I hope this site can be developed while preserving the historic structure. I wonder how hard it would be to move?



Yardstick



Pacificorp Gadsby Plant. (Rocky Mountain Power site)





I would love if the older portion of the power plant could somehow be preserved, though I understand this to be unlikely.
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2023, 1:03 AM
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Bees Stadium

I cant imagine why they would tear down the Bees stadium.

It looks relatively new and modern and in really good shape.

It would be a terrible waste to tear down this really nice-looking and modern stadium!!
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2023, 1:08 AM
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Great post, Comrade. For once, I agree with everything you said. Awful news.
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2023, 2:14 AM
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I cant imagine why they would tear down the Bees stadium.

It looks relatively new and modern and in really good shape.

It would be a terrible waste to tear down this really nice-looking and modern stadium!!
Salt Lake City sent out an email today that said: "Salt Lake City is excited to announce the Ballpark NEXT Design Competition – an opportunity for residents, post-secondary students, and development professionals to tell us what they envision for the future of Smith’s Ballpark site."

It sounds like the city is planning to demolish the stadium.
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2023, 2:23 AM
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Salt Lake City sent out an email today that said: "Salt Lake City is excited to announce the Ballpark NEXT Design Competition – an opportunity for residents, post-secondary students, and development professionals to tell us what they envision for the future of Smith’s Ballpark site."

It sounds like the city is planning to demolish the stadium.
I think they are and it's a shame. The stadium is gorgeous. It's been one of my favorite venues, architectural-wise, in Salt Lake and I would hate to see it go.
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2023, 2:28 AM
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I cant imagine why they would tear down the Bees stadium.

It looks relatively new and modern and in really good shape.

It would be a terrible waste to tear down this really nice-looking and modern stadium!!
I don't want to see it demolished, but with no team playing there, what else is there to do? It would sit there gathering dust while the city would have to maintain it for nothing.
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2023, 2:32 AM
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I don't want to see it demolished, but with no team playing there, what else is there to do? It would sit there gathering dust while the city would have to maintain it for nothing.
The city should do everything it can to find another tenant, even if it's in direct competition with the Bees. I doubt that's practical but they need to exhaust every measure to save that stadium instead of just shrugging and moving on.
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2023, 2:45 AM
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The city should do everything it can to find another tenant, even if it's in direct competition with the Bees. I doubt that's practical but they need to exhaust every measure to save that stadium instead of just shrugging and moving on.
Sure, I agree that is what they should do, but you are 100% correct that it's not practical.

2 minor league teams in the valley doesn't seem like it would work. Maybe a different league? Could lacrosse work? Whatever they could get probably would not bring in enough ticket sales to cover costs..
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2023, 3:18 AM
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Sure, I agree that is what they should do, but you are 100% correct that it's not practical.

2 minor league teams in the valley doesn't seem like it would work. Maybe a different league? Could lacrosse work? Whatever they could get probably would not bring in enough ticket sales to cover costs..
I would find it very humorous, tho, if Ryan Smith decided to move a new minor league team here and they became more popular than the DayBreak Bees.

How's Rio Tinto looking? Maybe they can renovate the ballpark into a MLS stadium?
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Do you happen to know what is going on at Yardstick? I know they've been looking to land lease it for 20 years, which is ridiculous. But was someone dumb enough to improve their property for them for that small of an investment horizon?
Loopnet suggests that the current owner is planning to demolish the existing structure by the end of next month.
Still looks like it's up for lease, so don't expect anything huge. Waste of a D1 parcel if you ask me.
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2023, 5:19 AM
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I cant imagine why they would tear down the Bees stadium.

It looks relatively new and modern and in really good shape.

It would be a terrible waste to tear down this really nice-looking and modern stadium!!
I have allot of thoughts about this,

My understanding, based on conversations with people who have worked there, is that the stadium is not well maintained and that is part of the frustration the organization had with the city. I don't know if that is true, I am not "in the know," but I am frustrated with both sides right now. I think blaming the Millers for moving the Bees out of SLC, or anyone else moving to the suburbs, is like getting mad at women who don't want to date you. It is the responsibility of Salt Lake City to attract investment.

That being said, I am as sad and frustrated as everyone else that the organization doesn't seem to see the value in continuing to build and promote our premier city. I believe that what is good for Salt Lake City, is good for Utah. Developing in the suburbs isn't building anything. These are developments that exist unto themselves instead of contributing to the fabric of a great city.

Also, in my opinion, I expect the team to struggle in the suburbs. Personally, I don't care about minor league baseball, the only reason I liked the Bee's was because I saw them as Salt Lake City's only true sports team. The Jazz are the Utah Jazz not the Salt Lake City Jazz and Real Salt Lake moved to Sandy. The Bee's are a team with a name that is perfect for the city they are in, which includes the name of the city and they are actually located in the city, in a beautiful stadium that sits right up against the sidewalk. Everything about the team says "we are Salt Lake City"...until now. For this reason, I don't think the team will do as well in the suburbs even if they do attract a few more suburbanites who were afraid to travel to the city.
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2023, 5:27 AM
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I have allot of thoughts about this,

My understanding, based on conversations with people who have worked there, is that the stadium is not well maintained and that is part of the frustration the organization had with the city. I don't know if that is true, I am not "in the know," but I am frustrated with both sides right now. I think blaming the Millers for moving the Bees out of SLC, or anyone else moving to the suburbs, is like getting mad at women who don't want to date you. It is the responsibility of Salt Lake City to attract investment.

That being said, I am as sad and frustrated as everyone else that the organization doesn't seem to see the value in continuing to build and promote our premier city. I believe that what is good for Salt Lake City, is good for Utah. Developing in the suburbs isn't building anything. These are developments that exist unto themselves instead of contributing to the fabric of a great city.

Also, in my opinion, I expect the team to struggle in the suburbs. Personally, I don't care about minor league baseball, the only reason I liked the Bee's was because I saw them as Salt Lake City's only true sports team. The Jazz are the Utah Jazz not the Salt Lake City Jazz and Real Salt Lake moved to Sandy. The Bee's are a team with a name that is perfect for the city they are in, which includes the name of the city and they are actually located in the city, in a beautiful stadium that sits right up against the sidewalk. Everything about the team says "we are Salt Lake City"...until now. For this reason, I don't think the team will do as well in the suburbs even if they do attract a few more suburbanites who were afraid to travel to the city.
There is a lot of history when it comes to baseball in Salt Lake. Way more history than basketball and hockey. Baseball was the first real major sport to gain popularity here and I think it carried over for each generation.

The corner of 1300 South and West Temple has housed a professional baseball team, in some capacity, for nearly 100 years. There's only a few gaps there, when the Bees discontinued during the Great Depression but it's been about as continuous as you can get.

I laughed when the Mayor said this neighborhood was meaningful to the city long before baseball moved in and it's just not true. That wasn't a neighborhood before the stadium was built.

In fact, the neighborhood literally grew up around old Derks Field. The residential just south, on Richards Street, was built in the 1940s - 20 or so years after the ballpark.

That has been as much a staple to that neighborhood as you can get. In fact, I can't think of a neighborhood in Salt Lake that is so closely tied to one thing - at least outside downtown.

This was the neighborhood when Derks Field opened (originally called Community Park):



There was no neighborhood there.
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Old Posted Jan 18, 2023, 5:33 AM
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You make a great point. One that needs to be communicated to the city at this time, when they are trying to decide the future of this neighborhood.
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This reminds me of when the Las Vegas 51's minor league baseball team moved from downtown to a new park in the suburbs (and rebranded to the Aviators). I'm not happy about the Bees move but the Aviators have been pretty successful
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Loopnet suggests that the current owner is planning to demolish the existing structure by the end of next month.
Still looks like it's up for lease, so don't expect anything huge. Waste of a D1 parcel if you ask me.
Thanks. And yeah, big waste. A 60 year land lease is at least a little more reasonable, but still not enough to justify maximizing the site. I put together a scheme for a tower there, but that won't happen in a land lease deal. And on the exact opposite end, I have a year round market scheme for the site that could work but I have no idea if there would be any interest and had no motivation to pursue it with the 20 year deal. Given the state of things at the moment, it will be interesting if anyone shows any interest in the site and for what.
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This reminds me of when the Las Vegas 51's minor league baseball team moved from downtown to a new park in the suburbs (and rebranded to the Aviators). I'm not happy about the Bees move but the Aviators have been pretty successful
Another point to this story is the U of U baseball team plays at Smith's Ballpark. It's not going to save the stadium from being replaced with whatever, but there's a story in the Tribune about the school now looking at building an on-campus stadium for the team.
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