Metro Vancouver Bike/Pedestrian Discussion

[idunno]

"No idea" what the safety considerations would be?!! For removing a protected bike lane?

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by MIPS

Garbage. You got paid. You are a lying piece of...

You seem confused. Commissioner Digby was the only vote to retain the bike lane in the first vote. Do you think there's a 'bike lobby' with access to a slush fund to bribe ABC Park Board Commissioners to keep bike lanes? Is that how they do business in Kamloops?

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Huh? Maybe someone realised that spending $400,000 from a budget intended to improve cycling facilities on removing cycling facilities isn't the best look.

The $400K figure is also disingenuous, because the promise was not just to remove the bike lane from Park Drive, but also to replace it with a permanent lane that would "deliver new permanent cycling infrastructure in the park, with considerations for accessibility and tourist access by next February." This replacement lane will come with its own additional costs that will probably dwarf the $400K.

We haven't heard anything yet about what this supposed replacement is going to look like. You'd think that it would be prudent to at least have a design for it before you rip out the old lane just in case there were some cost savings or other synergies to be had by incorporating parts of the old lane into the new. Or is the real plan to conveniently forget about the new lane once the old one has been removed?

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

The $400K figure is also disingenuous, because the promise was not just to remove the bike lane from Park Drive, but also to replace it with a permanent lane that would "deliver new permanent cycling infrastructure in the park, with considerations for accessibility and tourist access by next February." This replacement lane will come with its own additional costs that will probably dwarf the $400K.

We haven't heard anything yet about what this supposed replacement is going to look like. You'd think that it would be prudent to at least have a design for it before you rip out the old lane just in case there were some cost savings or other synergies to be had by incorporating parts of the old lane into the new. Or is the real plan to conveniently forget about the new lane once the old one has been removed?

Absolutely. If you watch the Global interview with Commissioner Digby, he says that the 9km replacement will take 'some time' and in his estimation will cost $10m, and that money 'will have to be found'.

It doesn't seem that the new ABC Commissioners have much of a grip on reality on how long things take, or what they cost. All might be clearer at the February 13 meeting when there should be some preliminary cost estimates. Or not, of course, (as it's the Park Board).

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Absolutely. If you watch the Global interview with Commissioner Digby, he says that the 9km replacement will take 'some time' and in his estimation will cost $10m, and that money 'will have to be found'.

Yep, rip out the old lane and then lament that their hands are tied because nobody thought to fund its replacement. I hope they don't think that they're fooling anyone...

[whatnext]

There should be a housecleaning of PB staff.

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by aberdeen5698

Yep, rip out the old lane and then lament that their hands are tied because nobody thought to fund its replacement. I hope they don't think that they're fooling anyone...

We expected this from day one when they said they were removing anything to begin with. Hoping our next bike rally is bigger.

[WarrenC12]

The previous PB was disingenuous calling this lane "temporary".

[Jimbo604]

Originally Posted by Changing City

It doesn't seem that the new ABC Commissioners have much of a grip on reality on how long things take, or what they cost. All might be clearer at the February 13 meeting when there should be some preliminary cost estimates. Or not, of course, (as it's the Park Board).

There was that other promise ABC made at one point re: PB...

[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

The previous PB was disingenuous calling this lane "temporary".

I dunno, seems pretty temporary to me seeing how they have already removed segments, and you can move all the elements of traffic separation out of the way without a jackhammer.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

I dunno, seems pretty temporary to me seeing how they have already removed segments, and you can move all the elements of traffic separation out of the way without a jackhammer.

Then why does it cost $400k?

[madog222]

Cost of labour

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

Then why does it cost $400k?

The ABC majority of Park Board commissioners had hoped for a full removal in time for Christmas, but that is not possible due to the need to undergo a bidding process for a private contractor, and the complexity of the work involved.

Overall, the erasure of the temporary bike lane involves the removal of 830 concrete barriers requiring special machinery to load onto trucks, 700 traffic delineators, 1,000 traffic cones, 250 signs, and some asphalt, as well as the scrubbing of 3.5 km of line painting.

The cost of removing the concrete barriers is the single most expensive cost, estimated at between $100,000 and $120,000. This is followed by the $75,000 cost to remove pavement markings, and $50,000 to remove curbs and gutters, drainage pipes, and asphalt ramps and paths.

That's all from Daily Hive, so if they got the reporting correct, that's the answer. The 1,000 traffic cones, and some of the signs have already been removed. The remainder of the work will be done at night too, so it's costing more for that reason.

[Jimbo604]

So there are no poured cement barriers/sections?

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Jimbo604

So there are no poured cement barriers/sections?

Not in Stanley Park. They're all removeable concrete barriers. You can take a virtual ride round on Google Streetview and check.

[madog222]

CoV Engineering sent a letter to area residents about the St George Rainway. Constriction is starting this month and scheduled to finish December 2024. Construction will be block by block starting from E 5th and progressing south.

I don't think the designs were ever posted here:






Images from City of Vancouver https://www.shapeyourcity.ca/st-george-rainway

[Jimbo604]

"Take it out": Stanley Park bike lane opponents demand its prompt removal
Amir Ali | Feb 8 2023, 3:43 pm
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/stan...e-lane-protest

Opponents of the Stanley Park bike lane aren’t happy with how long it has taken to get rid of it and are planning a protest at the Vancouver Park Board offices next week.

A statement from the group Stanley Park for All suggests that what should have been a relatively simple plan has gotten out of hand.

“Stanley Park for All is very disappointed with the delay in implementing a relatively simple plan for the removal of the bike lane.”

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The group says there’s no need for further study, but if there was, do it after removing the bike lane.

“Park Board Commissioners need to honour their pledge to the voters of Vancouver to restore the pre-COVID configuration.”

Stanley Park for All mentions that installing the bike lane was quick and efficient and that the same process needs to be used to get rid of the bike lane.

The group will be attending the Vancouver Park Board offices during a meeting on February 13.

Parks Board Meeting
https://parkboardmeetings.vancouver....0213/index.htm
Date: Monday, February 13, 2023
Time: 6:30pm
Place: Park Board - Boardroom 2099 Beach Avenue Vancouver, BC V6G 1Z4

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by Jimbo604

[...]A statement from the group Stanley Park for All [...]

Quite an ironic name. Has a "People's Party of Canada"-like sense of self awareness.

[aberdeen5698]

Originally Posted by chowhou

Quite an ironic name. Has a "People's Party of Canada"-like sense of self awareness.

Our "all" includes everyone. Well, everyone who matters, anyway.

[whatnext]

Wow, this is stupid if true. Looks like PB staff is going to recommend bike lane options to send vehicle traffic out of Stanley Park through residential West End streets. I wonder if they are doing that solely because they know it will generate opposition. Reopening Beach is still the most sensible option.

https://twitter.com/VanPoliMorphus/s...199873/photo/1