HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Ontario > Ottawa-Gatineau > Transportation


Closed Thread

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #16001  
Old Posted Jan 10, 2023, 3:09 PM
Fading Isle Fading Isle is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2022
Posts: 149
Quote:
Originally Posted by Truenorth00 View Post
I don't know how we can be clear the fault is all on the rolling stock. It could be the curves along the route. It could be poor work or parts on the OCS that caused the recent failure. Etc.

I think the Swiss Cheese model applies here. We likely have several failures that are lining up. Exactly why they need a full design review.
I think we seriously need to look at the viability of having private companies entirely responsible for maintenance. RTMs performance appears to be way below standards in other cities with maintenance in house and I have to wonder if maximizing profits is responsible for a lot of their failings. The fact that it appears RTM doesn’t have the equipment they said they would have and doesn’t seem to follow best practices of other Canadian cities with similar climates is telling.

Then you look at how slow they are at fixing issues compared to other cities. The TTC repairs broken streetcar cables within half an hour. A couple years ago there was a derailment of an out of service train in the morning that shut down one subway line- they found the issue and had the line running again around noon. Even Kitchener experienced a cable breaking from freezing rain from the same storm as us and had it repaired within an hour. Why is RTM taking so long in comparison to identify and repair issues?
     
     
  #16002  
Old Posted Jan 10, 2023, 3:19 PM
YOWetal YOWetal is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 7,708
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fading Isle View Post
I think we seriously need to look at the viability of having private companies entirely responsible for maintenance. RTMs performance appears to be way below standards in other cities with maintenance in house and I have to wonder if maximizing profits is responsible for a lot of their failings. The fact that it appears RTM doesn’t have the equipment they said they would have and doesn’t seem to follow best practices of other Canadian cities with similar climates is telling.

Then you look at how slow they are at fixing issues compared to other cities. The TTC repairs broken streetcar cables within half an hour. A couple years ago there was a derailment of an out of service train in the morning that shut down one subway line- they found the issue and had the line running again around noon. Even Kitchener experienced a cable breaking from freezing rain from the same storm as us and had it repaired within an hour. Why is RTM taking so long in comparison to identify and repair issues?
Is there no service standard or penalty for downtime? Or is it like the airlines and weather absolves them of everything?
     
     
  #16003  
Old Posted Jan 10, 2023, 5:01 PM
rocketphish's Avatar
rocketphish rocketphish is offline
Planet Ottawa and beyond
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Greater Ottawa
Posts: 14,615
Full LRT service expected by end of day Tuesday
Transit manager says they're getting ready to power system back up

CBC News
Posted: Jan 10, 2023 9:48 AM ET | Last Updated: 2 hours ago


Full light rail service is expected later Tuesday for the first time in nearly a week, according to the latest memo from Ottawa's transit general manager.

Renée Amilcar wrote Tuesday morning that repairs to the Confederation Line's overhead power system are complete along the closed section between Tremblay and uOttawa stations.

The next steps are to power the line back up, remove two stopped trains, test the system, and reinstitute full service.

"Based on current progress, we anticipate full O-Train Line 1 service will resume later today," she wrote, adding the city would have a news conference at some point Tuesday.

Trouble with the system began during freezing rain on the night of Jan. 4, with further damage done during some attempts to fix the system. R1 replacement buses have been brought in to fill the light rail gap.

Trains are running about every five minutes between Blair and Tremblay stations to the east of the closure and between Tunney's Pasture and uOttawa stations to the west.

On Monday, Amilcar and Mayor Mark Sutcliffe said they're seeking answers as to why the middle of the network in particular is experiencing issues, and whether this problem is isolated or chronic.

OC Transpo has brought in independent experts STV, joining existing oversight firm TRA Inc., to monitor Rideau Transit Management's work.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/oc-transpo-ottawa-lrt-full-service-closure-1.6708833
     
     
  #16004  
Old Posted Jan 10, 2023, 5:42 PM
MalcolmTucker MalcolmTucker is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 11,599
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fading Isle View Post
I think we seriously need to look at the viability of having private companies entirely responsible for maintenance. RTMs performance appears to be way below standards in other cities with maintenance in house and I have to wonder if maximizing profits is responsible for a lot of their failings. The fact that it appears RTM doesn’t have the equipment they said they would have and doesn’t seem to follow best practices of other Canadian cities with similar climates is telling.

Then you look at how slow they are at fixing issues compared to other cities. The TTC repairs broken streetcar cables within half an hour. A couple years ago there was a derailment of an out of service train in the morning that shut down one subway line- they found the issue and had the line running again around noon. Even Kitchener experienced a cable breaking from freezing rain from the same storm as us and had it repaired within an hour. Why is RTM taking so long in comparison to identify and repair issues?
This is decidedly not the case.

In a P3, the economic incentive is aligned to over invest in capital to allow lower operational cost.

What we have now is a P3 partner that needs to be put out of its misery. Risks were misjudged to the point where the partner cannot IMO recover without a significant contract modification and cash injection. They are simply not in a position to fulfill the contract because they are presumably in such a bad financial position. They know they cannot be punished more, so there is no incentive to fulfill the contract.

OCTranspo/Ottawa's goal is to not provide more cash while attempting to hold the partner to original terms, including withholding performance payments.

This may seem reasonable, but it is just making things worse.

As a huge proponent of P3s, I believe the City has a duty to force the issue to a head, and force the company into bankruptcy. Eliminating shareholder equity and forcing the financiers to try to salvage the project is the path forward.

Only then can the project improve in the big way which it needs to IMO.
     
     
  #16005  
Old Posted Jan 10, 2023, 8:13 PM
hwy418 hwy418 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 409
Quote:
Originally Posted by rocketphish View Post
[B]Full LRT service expected by end of day Tuesday
Transit manager says they're getting ready to power system back up

...Renée Amilcar wrote Tuesday morning that repairs to the Confederation Line's overhead power system are complete along the closed section between Tremblay and uOttawa stations.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/oc-transpo-ottawa-lrt-full-service-closure-1.6708833
So memo written from her cozy place in Montreal

She better be there for the press conference!
     
     
  #16006  
Old Posted Jan 10, 2023, 9:04 PM
rocketphish's Avatar
rocketphish rocketphish is offline
Planet Ottawa and beyond
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Greater Ottawa
Posts: 14,615
OC Transpo working on replacement bus backlogs until full LRT resumes
If all goes well, full light rail service should return Tuesday

CBC News
Posted: Jan 10, 2023 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: 2 hours ago


OC Transpo is adjusting its replacement bus service Tuesday to address backlogs at busy stops as it waits for an end to the shutdown of light rail trains between uOttawa and Tremblay stations.

R1 replacement bus service expanded Monday, operating from Blair all the way to Rideau station. Those buses don't stop at Cyrville station and are scheduled to arrive more frequently during peak hours, but some commuters on the route on Monday complained of delays and crowded buses.

General manager of transit services Renée Amilcar told Radio-Canada that Hurdman station was particularly congested Monday and delays and overcrowding continued Tuesday despite extra R1 buses being sent there "whenever possible."

Confederation Line trains continue to run Tuesday on two loops: one between Blair and Tremblay stations in the east and another between Tunney's Pasture and uOttawa stations in the west.

Full light rail service is expected later Tuesday if a few hurdles are cleared. There will be a news conference at some point Tuesday, Amilcar said.

She said continued service in the east and west ends of the line demonstrates the system was prepared for the winter weather, but that experts are looking into why the middle of the network in particular is experiencing issues.

That stretch of track has been the site of numerous problems in the past, including derailments, broken wires and lightning strikes.

"I have experts right now, as we speak, analyzing the data to see what happened, why the middle of the network reacted this way," Amilcar said in French.

Ottawa Mayor Mark Sutcliffe, speaking to CBC Monday for the first time since the stoppage, said he shares the frustration of commuters.

"I think the public deserves a better service that is working more reliably," he said.

Sutcliffe stressed that the LRT has been "very reliable" since March 2022, adding there have been few service disruptions in the past nine months.

Sutcliffe said it is not yet known whether the present issue is a chronic one that suggests deeper issues with the system, or whether it's an isolated, weather-related event. He said city hall and the transit commission will be tasked with addressing the issues of the past week.

"It's very unfortunate that we've had this event in the last few days, and we have to get to the bottom of it and make sure it doesn't happen again," he said.

Several trains ended up stuck on the line near Lees station after a severe bout of freezing rain hit the city five days ago, closing the line between uOttawa and Tremblay stations.

After the freezing rain hit Wednesday night, the trains became immobilized and ice built up on the line.

Several previous attempts by RTM to repair the damage and tow away the stuck trains from Lees station caused further damage to the line's overhead power system.

RTM's crews "worked around the clock to manually remove the ice" from one stretch of the track near Lees and would then focus on the second affected stretch, CEO Mario Guerra said Sunday night.

OC Transpo has brought in independent experts STV to join existing oversight firm TRA Inc. and monitor RTM's work, as well as provide advice on when trains could run from uOttawa to Tremblay again.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-lrt-closure-ice-buses-r1-1.6708586
     
     
  #16007  
Old Posted Jan 10, 2023, 9:14 PM
rocketphish's Avatar
rocketphish rocketphish is offline
Planet Ottawa and beyond
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Greater Ottawa
Posts: 14,615
LRT Q&A: OC Transpo's director of operations on what went wrong and how to prevent it from happening again

Blair Crawford, Ottawa Citizen
Published Jan 10, 2023 • 5 minute read


As Ottawa’s troubled Confederation Line returns to full service after being partially knocked off line by a rather routine freezing rain storm, the city’s director of transit operations, Troy Charter, answered our questions about what when wrong and what happened to the overhead catenary system (OCS).

Can you explain exactly what happened to cause the trains to stop?

The ice build up during the weather event was causing some arcing and the arcing is caused when the pantograph — that piece of the train that presses up against the overhead wire that provides the power — loses contact from time to time and that causes the arcing. I’m not saying that was the root cause of the occurrence, but definitely the arcing and the weather were major factors…. Water and electricity don’t mix.

The investigation has to find out why we had problems in that specific area and not in other area. This is not the first time we had an ice event and it’s the first time we’ve had this kind of problem. There’s a few outstanding questions that need to be solved.

Where the trains stopped, is that where’s the rather sharp curve in the tracks?

Yes. The problem was all in the Lees to Hurdman area. The curve starts west of Tremblay into Hurdman and then down into Lees, and after that you’re going up hill a bit to uOttawa.

You said you used a special attachment called a winter carbon strip to try to clear the ice. Can you explain what that is.

When we go into the winter season was equip a certain number of vehicles with these ice scrapers or winter carbon strips and they’re designed to increase the contact between the pantograph and the OCS. They’re a little more aggressive so they help to clear things off the OCS.

You don’t want to put them on all the time and you don’t want to put them on every train because it does increase the wear and tear on the OCS, so it’s a bit of a balancing act.

It sounds like it’s a bit like using a car scraper to clear your windows.

Pretty much. You can use that as an analogy. Obviously, if you’re scraping you’re taking away a little bit of the life off the OCS. We’re not talking years, but you want to manage your resources as best you can.

What can be done to prevent the ice build up. Does the OCS generate heat or can you apply heat to it?

They’re not heated, but those are things that are being looked at. Once we get things back to normal we’ll be looking at a whole slew of options to prevent a reoccurrence of this. Heating the OCS is one of the things that will be looked at.

What about deicing liquids?

You want to make sure it’s not corrosive. Glycol they use on planes, so that would be OK. And we do use some of these pretreat liquids on our switches and switch heaters already. That is one of the things that will be investigated as well.

All options are on the table right now, but those two — heating the lines or applying deicer — are the main ones. We really have to figure what was unique about this specific event and at this specific location because we’ve had other events that were no problem and we’re continuing to run in the east and west with no issue.

Did the freezing rain affect the tracks at all. Was that part of the problem?

You have to pay special attention to your switches and switch heaters, but we didn’t have any issue with the tracks. The trains running usually keep the tracks clear. This was really isolated as an OCS event.

One of the issues that’s come up is that without power, no trains can move and you couldn’t even use another train to tow the stuck trains. Is that something you’ll be looking at? Having some sort of tug you can use?

Yes. Definitely part of the de-brief. I know they have some diesel equipment that they can retrofit with a tow attachment to use in future occurrences if they need to.

The OCS that broke: Is it an industry standard? Is there anything unusual about the OCS in Ottawa as opposed to what’s used on LRTs in Edmonton or Kitchener?

I don’t believe there’s anything unique to it, but I can’t answer that definitively.

Stage 2 is under construction. Will it use the same trains and the same OCS as Stage 1? Some people have said we should just put a hold on that until all this is resolved. Is that possible?

Yes, it’s the same trains. There will be some slight differences in the set up of the OCS, although the difference won’t be as the result of this event. They’re well on their way in construction. It’ll be the same trains and largely the same OCS

At the end of the day, if there are lessons learned that come from this event that can be applied to Stage 2, we will look at that. But that construction activity needs to move forward and continue. We have been operating for several years and we’ve already applied some of the lessons learned to Stage 2. If there are lessons learned here, we’ll look for opportunities to apply them too.

In his report on the LRT, Justice William Hourigan said there needs to be better co-operation and transparency between everyone involved, the city, Rideau Transit Maintenance, Rideau Transit Group. Has that been happening?

Things were much better this time. By the time the public inquiry had started we had already improved co-operation and information sharing. But through this event I think we’re already at 28 or 29 conference calls with RTM executive. We’re really working collaboratively, the city of Ottawa engineering teams and their engineering teams sharing information. Part of this return to service plan is that we need to review their records and their inspection reports and we’re doing all this in real time so as they’re completing various aspects of the repairs, they’re shipping information over to us and we’re having joint information sessions. It’s been very, very good co-operation. We’ve been having meetings all through the night and into the day. Everyone is sharing information and everyone’s focus is a safe resumption of service as soon as possible.”

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-new...d-how-to-prevent-it-from-happening-again
     
     
  #16008  
Old Posted Jan 10, 2023, 9:37 PM
Truenorth00 Truenorth00 is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 28,983
Quote:
Originally Posted by roger1818 View Post
I’ll let you judge for yourself. He claims to support all modes of transportation, but claiming that there is a war on cars is over the top.

Video Link
Sounds like some of the folks in this forum who are obsessed over being able to drive to the core....
     
     
  #16009  
Old Posted Jan 10, 2023, 10:41 PM
rocketphish's Avatar
rocketphish rocketphish is offline
Planet Ottawa and beyond
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Greater Ottawa
Posts: 14,615
City gives 5:30 p.m. ET update on return of LRT service
Transit manager says full service expected to resume after 8:30 p.m. ET Tuesday

CBC News
Posted: Jan 10, 2023 9:48 AM ET | Last Updated: 7 minutes ago


Full light rail service is expected to resume Tuesday after 8:30 p.m., for the first time in nearly a week, according to the latest memo from Ottawa's transit general manager.

City officials are holding a news conference to take questions and provide an update at 5:30 p.m. ET, which will be live streamed on this page.

Trouble with the system began during freezing rain on the night of Jan. 4, with further damage done during some attempts to fix the system. R1 replacement buses have been brought in to fill the light rail gap.

Renée Amilcar wrote Tuesday afternoon that an investigation into the root cause is underway. Rideau Transit Maintenance (RTM) is removing the last immobilized train on Track 2, she said, and the system will undergo final testing.

R1 bus replacements will taper off once the full line resumes service, she wrote.

She said earlier that repairs to the Confederation Line's overhead power system are complete along the closed section between Tremblay and uOttawa stations. At the time, she also said next steps were to power the line back up, remove two stopped trains, test the system, and re-institute full service.

Trains are running about every five minutes between Blair and Tremblay stations to the east of the closure and between Tunney's Pasture and uOttawa stations to the west.

On Monday, Amilcar and Mayor Mark Sutcliffe said they're seeking answers as to why the middle of the network in particular is experiencing issues, and whether this problem is isolated or chronic.

OC Transpo has brought in independent experts STV, joining existing oversight firm TRA Inc., to monitor Rideau Transit Management's work.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/oc-transpo-ottawa-lrt-full-service-closure-1.6708833
     
     
  #16010  
Old Posted Jan 10, 2023, 10:58 PM
swimmer_spe swimmer_spe is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 10,743
That Q and A highlights that the line was not built for winter conditions and that it was rushed into service. This leads me to believe that it could have been any other LRV that is out there and the problems would still be happening. 25 years ago, that area was hit with one of the worst ice storms on record. Ice is not an unusual thing for the area. The entire line should have things to keep all of it from icing up in all but the most extreme conditions.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fading Isle View Post
I think we seriously need to look at the viability of having private companies entirely responsible for maintenance. RTMs performance appears to be way below standards in other cities with maintenance in house and I have to wonder if maximizing profits is responsible for a lot of their failings. The fact that it appears RTM doesn’t have the equipment they said they would have and doesn’t seem to follow best practices of other Canadian cities with similar climates is telling.

Then you look at how slow they are at fixing issues compared to other cities. The TTC repairs broken streetcar cables within half an hour. A couple years ago there was a derailment of an out of service train in the morning that shut down one subway line- they found the issue and had the line running again around noon. Even Kitchener experienced a cable breaking from freezing rain from the same storm as us and had it repaired within an hour. Why is RTM taking so long in comparison to identify and repair issues?
Are there other Canadian examples of private agencies that are new taking on a maintenance contract?

Quote:
Originally Posted by MalcolmTucker View Post
This is decidedly not the case.

In a P3, the economic incentive is aligned to over invest in capital to allow lower operational cost.

What we have now is a P3 partner that needs to be put out of its misery. Risks were misjudged to the point where the partner cannot IMO recover without a significant contract modification and cash injection. They are simply not in a position to fulfill the contract because they are presumably in such a bad financial position. They know they cannot be punished more, so there is no incentive to fulfill the contract.

OCTranspo/Ottawa's goal is to not provide more cash while attempting to hold the partner to original terms, including withholding performance payments.

This may seem reasonable, but it is just making things worse.

As a huge proponent of P3s, I believe the City has a duty to force the issue to a head, and force the company into bankruptcy. Eliminating shareholder equity and forcing the financiers to try to salvage the project is the path forward.

Only then can the project improve in the big way which it needs to IMO.
I think that the company should be forced into bankruptcy and the owners be forced to liquidate all company and personal assets before we break their contract. This issue highlights the problem with companies under bidding the job and then expecting more money. Once enough of these "businessmen" learn that those tactics will cost them everything will the system work.
     
     
  #16011  
Old Posted Jan 11, 2023, 2:26 AM
roger1818's Avatar
roger1818 roger1818 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: Stittsville, ON
Posts: 6,610
Quote:
Originally Posted by swimmer_spe View Post
I think that the company should be forced into bankruptcy and the owners be forced to liquidate all company and personal assets before we break their contract. This issue highlights the problem with companies under bidding the job and then expecting more money. Once enough of these "businessmen" learn that those tactics will cost them everything will the system work.
That’s not the way corporations work. Their liability is limited to the corporation’s assets and resources. Owners, investors and employees are not liable for any experiences beyond any money they have invested in it.
     
     
  #16012  
Old Posted Jan 11, 2023, 2:55 AM
swimmer_spe swimmer_spe is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 10,743
Quote:
Originally Posted by roger1818 View Post
That’s not the way corporations work. Their liability is limited to the corporation’s assets and resources. Owners, investors and employees are not liable for any experiences beyond any money they have invested in it.
I know, and it is high time that there is a shake up of how a corporation works.
     
     
  #16013  
Old Posted Jan 11, 2023, 3:19 AM
acottawa acottawa is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 18,855
Quote:
Originally Posted by swimmer_spe View Post

I think that the company should be forced into bankruptcy and the owners be forced to liquidate all company and personal assets before we break their contract. This issue highlights the problem with companies under bidding the job and then expecting more money. Once enough of these "businessmen" learn that those tactics will cost them everything will the system work.
Then the system would have cost billions more. You can write a contract where the contractor assumes all the risk, but you will pay for it.
     
     
  #16014  
Old Posted Jan 11, 2023, 3:21 AM
swimmer_spe swimmer_spe is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 10,743
Quote:
Originally Posted by acottawa View Post
Then the system would have cost billions more. You can write a contract where the contractor assumes all the risk, but you will pay for it.
Maybe it is time we stop with contracts for profits. None of them have been profitable for the general public.
     
     
  #16015  
Old Posted Jan 11, 2023, 4:14 AM
lrt's friend lrt's friend is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 12,790
Quote:
Originally Posted by swimmer_spe View Post
Maybe it is time we stop with contracts for profits. None of them have been profitable for the general public.
No matter what, private corporations are needed to build advanced rail systems. The City of Ottawa does not even seem to have the competence to oversee this kind of project, let alone build and maintain it.
     
     
  #16016  
Old Posted Jan 11, 2023, 4:15 AM
rocketphish's Avatar
rocketphish rocketphish is offline
Planet Ottawa and beyond
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Greater Ottawa
Posts: 14,615
Confederation Line back to full service after multi-day LRT shutdown

Blair Crawford, Ottawa Citizen
Published Jan 10, 2023 • 3 minute read


Full service on the Confederation Line resumed Tuesday night, nearly six full days after a portion of Ottawa’s LRT system was knocked offline by a freezing rain storm.

Crews removed the last of two stranded trains during the evening and have completed repairs to the damaged overhead catenary system (OCS), which snapped in two places when maintenance workers tried to remove a build-up of ice.

OC Transpo had planned to run four trains, two in each direction, over the troubled section of track near Lees Station in a “stress test” before returning to full line service, which resumed at around 8:30 p.m.

At a supper hour media briefing Tuesday, the city’s transit general manager Renée Amilcar thanked riders for their patience.

“I know that your commute has been longer and difficult,” Amilcar said. “These last few days have been a cold start to the new year. We will all learn from this experience and improve service.”

Trains ran on five-minute intervals on either side of the blockage Tuesday, from Tunney’s Pasture to uOttawa station in the west and from Blair to Tremblay stations in the east. R1 bus service continued in the east from Blair to Rideau, but was tapering off as train service resumed.

An investigation is already underway to find the root cause of the breakdown and OC Transpo will provide an update on its finding when the work is complete, Amilcar said. She also thanked OC Transpo workers who “worked tirelessly for our customers” the past six days.

The LRT woes began late Wednesday during the freezing rain storm when a train stopped near Lees Station because of a build-up of ice on the overhead line. A short time later, a second train coming from the opposite direction also stopped.

Stranded passengers on the trains waited for an hour before they were finally allowed to disembark to be led down the tracks to safety. On Friday, a train equipped with a heavy-duty attachment known as a winter carbon strip was sent to try to clear ice from the OCS, but the wire snapped under the stress, stranding a third train.

The only alternative was to send maintenance workers aloft in a bucket truck to manually smash the ice off the line. On Saturday, a rescue train was sent to tow the stopped trains, but it also snapped the OCS and became the fourth train stranded on the tracks between Lees and Tremblay stations.

Two of the stopped trains were removed over the weekend and repairs were made to Track 1. But that track couldn’t be used while crews were still working to remove the trains and repair damage on Track 2.

The last of the stopped trains was moved to the Belfast Road maintenance yard around 6 p.m. Tuesday, said Mario Guerra, CEO and acting general manager of Rideau Transit Maintenance. None of the four stranded trains suffered any major damage and they will be put back in service shortly after an inspection, he said.

Investigators are still trying to figure out why the ice build-up was so much worse on the section between Tremblay and Lees station. The heavy-duty winter carbon strips normally used to clear ice from the overhead power lines couldn’t keep up with the ice, which got even worse because of the stopped trains.

Among the long-term solutions to be looked at are heating the power line to prevent ice buildup or using de-icing fluids like those used on planes

In the short term, OC Transpo will run trains more frequently during icy weather events so the ice has less time to build up, Guerra said.

It may also experiment with running scrapers along the wire mounted on a non-electric vehicle to reduce the risk of electrical currents arcing, as seen in a video of one of the trains that was widely shared on Twitter last week.

The six-day stoppage is the longest interruption in Confederation Line Service since a derailment in the fall of 2021 caused a 54-day shutdown.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/oc-transpo-expects-full-lrt-service-to-resume-tuesday
     
     
  #16017  
Old Posted Jan 11, 2023, 4:39 AM
lrt's friend lrt's friend is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 12,790
As I recall, there was a couple of hours of fairly heavy freezing rain on that Wednesday evening. We should have been more proactive under the circumstances, at least not taking trains out of service during the evening hours as normal. It seems to me, that normal service had just been reduced to 15 minutes when the failure took place.
     
     
  #16018  
Old Posted Jan 11, 2023, 2:56 PM
YOWetal YOWetal is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 7,708
Quote:
Originally Posted by swimmer_spe View Post
I know, and it is high time that there is a shake up of how a corporation works.
That's literally the main point of a corporation. To give the company a legal life of it's own. It becomes a legal person. Imagine the increased profit bidders would demand if they were personally liable for any problems.

For profit sector is needed. Trainsets for sure. Do we don't need a PPP to handle the maintenance but there is some logic in linking the construction and maintenance projects. Agree it clearly hasn't worked out and we need a new paradigm.
     
     
  #16019  
Old Posted Jan 11, 2023, 3:58 PM
MalcolmTucker MalcolmTucker is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 11,599
Quote:
Originally Posted by YOWetal View Post
That's literally the main point of a corporation. To give the company a legal life of it's own. It becomes a legal person. Imagine the increased profit bidders would demand if they were personally liable for any problems.

For profit sector is needed. Trainsets for sure. Do we don't need a PPP to handle the maintenance but there is some logic in linking the construction and maintenance projects. Agree it clearly hasn't worked out and we need a new paradigm.
I'd disagree. We need competence. It is entirely possible to mismanage any arrangement, and as cities only deal with multi-billion dollar contracts very occasionally, the chance for any arrangement to go sideways is higher.
     
     
  #16020  
Old Posted Jan 11, 2023, 5:28 PM
acottawa acottawa is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 18,855
Quote:
Originally Posted by swimmer_spe View Post
Maybe it is time we stop with contracts for profits. None of them have been profitable for the general public.
Then the city has to run its own in house construction company, which would be extremely expensive and as others have pointed out, even more ineffective.
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Closed Thread

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Ontario > Ottawa-Gatineau > Transportation
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 11:42 AM.

     

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.