Public Disorder & the Decline of Vancouver's Livability

[Vin]

Originally Posted by trofirhen

All of this is part of being 'Politically Correct.' And as whatnext observed, what's the angst calling someone a chronic offender if it's a documented fact? The Politically Correct movement infiltrates all things public, probably nowhere more so than law and legal terminology. I think that people will have to adapt to it and swallow it, in some instances, unless there's a groundswell against it, or even to put limits on it.

Yeah I noticed that too. People are stressing over little things while major issues remain ignored.

[EastVanMark]

Originally Posted by SpongeG

yeah, they aren't always pretty but it's gotta be better than replacing windows multiple times.

The art thief guy had over 115 offenses dating back a few decades. He is in jail awaiting something, so at least he wasn't just caught and let go.

Now you hush. You know darn well the city of Vancouver is more concerned about appearances rather than practicality. Business owners can purchase new windows every 4 months. It’s a small price to pay for sparing local politicians the agony of having to look at shutters.

It’s just how they’ve saved us from those horrid, scary, elevated, lit up signs to save our small town desires at Cambie & 12

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by EastVanMark

Now you hush. You know darn well the city of Vancouver is more concerned about appearances rather than practicality. Business owners can purchase new windows every 4 months. It’s a small price to pay for sparing local politicians the agony of having to look at shutters.

It’s just how they’ve saved us from those horrid, scary, elevated, lit up signs to save our small town desires at Cambie & 12

Even the cities which reactionaries in the forum adore will have shutters and graffiti in the most trafficked parts of the city. That's just how it is.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.659101,1...fVmSDCFBwIARVAXOXILzg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

[MIPS]

Originally Posted by MIPS

https://globalnews.ca/news/9387928/sro-vancouver-downtown-eastside-living-conditions/

What amuses me more is that Global was able to get inside with a resident and ask questions before the custodian reconsiders what he is doing, changes face and then kicks them out.
Property management on the other hand was as predictable as a can of tuna.

The Lookout Society responded to Global within 24 hours of the piece going to air.

They were shocked at what we saw. That did not reflect the conditions and maintenance of their facility and felt it was unfair to display it as a poorly maintained building with an unhinged employee.

https://globalnews.ca/video/9391253/operator-of-vancouver-sro-reacts-to-cleanliness-complaints/

Remember kids: The money always goes somewhere.

[SpongeG]

Originally Posted by chowhou

Even the cities which reactionaries in the forum adore will have shutters and graffiti in the most trafficked parts of the city. That's just how it is.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.659101,1...fVmSDCFBwIARVAXOXILzg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

anyone who has travelled will have seen shutters, Tokyo had popped into my mind when I was writing it.

[MIPS]

A wall and a shutter with squiggles on it in a Shibuya backalley is a pretty poor comparison, especially with the wall of decal-clad glass windows of the pachinko parlor directly across from it.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by MIPS

A wall and a shutter with squiggles on it in a Shibuya backalley is a pretty poor comparison, especially with the wall of decal-clad glass windows of the pachinko parlor directly across from it.

Chowhou's point was "Even the cities which reactionaries in the forum adore will have shutters and graffiti in the most trafficked parts of the city. That's just how it is."

The example showed a shuttered entrance. I've never been to Japan, but there seems to be no shortage of images of shuttered store fronts, many of them covered with graffiti - even in apparently popular neighbourhoods like Daikanyama.


Shibuya is apparently covered in street art - and some of it is pretty good - but none of it is apparently legal, and often it's on shutters. So the point seems to be correct that even in places perceived as highly law-abiding, shuttering store fronts and graffiti are not unusual, and Vancouver is no different from much of the rest of the world.


[GPR134]

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by MIPS

A wall and a shutter with squiggles on it in a Shibuya backalley is a pretty poor comparison, especially with the wall of decal-clad glass windows of the pachinko parlor directly across from it.

I know you'll never ever change your mind no matter how many examples but here's some more. Also that's barely a back alley, that's just how pedestrian malls in Shibuya look.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.6612498,...5DZyFQfpEcT1bj1RXvgbA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.6577014,...itch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192

Bear in mind that these images are all during the day! These are just the shutters that haven't/didn't open that day.

[GenWhy?]

Ya that looks exactly the Beyoğlu neighbourhood in Istanbul. Loved that area.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

Ya that looks exactly the Beyoğlu neighbourhood in Istanbul. Loved that area.

I remember it being the case in Busan when I was there a while ago too.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1128591,...dSVE6_7wTC9XWcxbfJBpw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

(If the signs are confusing that's because this was in what I can only describe as "Russiatown", their ethnic minority neighbourhood)

[MIPS]

Originally Posted by chowhou

I know you'll never ever change your mind no matter how many examples but here's some more. Also that's barely a back alley, that's just how pedestrian malls in Shibuya look.

You don't need to school me for epic zinger points because Japanese sidestreets are typically as narrow if not more narrow than Vancouver's alleyways. I've been to Tokyo quite a few times. Point is that is considerably less graffitti and grime than you will find along Main street in Chinatown. Some is endorsed. Some is on the roller shutters but pointless to take off because it's hard to access and it will just reappear and the rest is there because cleanup isn't strictly enforced.
Regardless, graffitti tagging is usually a sign of a lack of enforcement either in policing and prosecution. Just saying "oh well, it was going to happen anyways" fits right in with the "public disorder & the decline of vancouver's livability" title of this thread.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Chowhou's point was "Even the cities which reactionaries in the forum adore will have shutters and graffiti in the most trafficked parts of the city. That's just how it is."

The example showed a shuttered entrance. I've never been to Japan, but there seems to be no shortage of images of shuttered store fronts, many of them covered with graffiti - even in apparently popular neighbourhoods like ]

Looks ugly, but at least the streets are very clean unlike DTES, which is a slum at best. Viewing this, I can think of nothing but negative American influence on a historically-rich Asian city. Luckily this is not ubiquitous, but isolated to certain hipster spots.

"That's just how it is"? Perhaps only for those who succumb and can't stand up with pride any more.

Originally Posted by chowhou

I remember it being the case in Busan when I was there a while ago too.

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.1128591,...dSVE6_7wTC9XWcxbfJBpw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

(If the signs are confusing that's because this was in what I can only describe as "Russiatown", their ethnic minority neighbourhood)

And luckily, no graffiti.

Originally Posted by MIPS

You don't need to school me for epic zinger points because Japanese sidestreets are typically as narrow if not more narrow than Vancouver's alleyways. I've been to Tokyo quite a few times. Point is that is considerably less graffitti and grime than you will find along Main street in Chinatown. Some is endorsed. Some is on the roller shutters but pointless to take off because it's hard to access and it will just reappear and the rest is there because cleanup isn't strictly enforced.
Regardless, graffitti tagging is usually a sign of a lack of enforcement either in policing and prosecution. Just saying "oh well, it was going to happen anyways" fits right in with the "public disorder & the decline of vancouver's livability" title of this thread.

Well said and right on the mark!

[Vin]

Now let's get back to talking about Vancouver:

Is that why this City is bankrupt?

Nearly 500 fire rescue calls from one SRO building in downtown Vancouver in 2022
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-fire-rescue-sros-calls
This building is suggested to be a problematic single-room occupancy (SRO) hotel, and 300 of those calls were related to smoking cigarettes and/or drugs, according to a previous tweet on VFRS’ Twitter account that was deleted after making its rounds on social media. This now-deleted tweet also stated VFRS is “currently billing the building for each false alarm, prosecuting this building as well as multiple other SROs for Fire Bylaw offenses.”

This is just one example of how money is flushed down the drain in this dysfunctional city. Like I said before, most of the problems in this city comes from substance abuse and addiction. Eradicate this scourge and we will become so much better.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by MIPS

You don't need to school me for epic zinger points because Japanese sidestreets are typically as narrow if not more narrow than Vancouver's alleyways. I've been to Tokyo quite a few times. Point is that is considerably less graffitti and grime than you will find along Main street in Chinatown. Some is endorsed. Some is on the roller shutters but pointless to take off because it's hard to access and it will just reappear and the rest is there because cleanup isn't strictly enforced.
Regardless, graffitti tagging is usually a sign of a lack of enforcement either in policing and prosecution. Just saying "oh well, it was going to happen anyways" fits right in with the "public disorder & the decline of vancouver's livability" title of this thread.

My point proven. Bear in mind this is all in Shibuya, the commercial, financial, and tourist centre of Japan, not some back alley slum.

There's no decline here, just a city being a city. I'm sure you can find something to complain about somewhere else, but it's not here, sorry.

[GenWhy?]

I didn't know the City was bankrupt again.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

I didn't know the City was bankrupt again.

Nobody at the City knows, either. The 2022 budget was $1.748bn, and the 2023 budget says income was $1.748bn.

[logan5]

Originally Posted by Vin

Now let's get back to talking about Vancouver:

Is that why this City is bankrupt?



This is just one example of how money is flushed down the drain in this dysfunctional city. Like I said before, most of the problems in this city comes from substance abuse and addiction. Eradicate this scourge and we will become so much better.

This is shocking. Even for you. Throwing people into the gas chamber is not the answer.

[FarmerHaight]

Originally Posted by MIPS

I've been to Tokyo quite a few times. Point is that is considerably less graffitti and grime than you will find along Main street in Chinatown.

Originally Posted by Vin

Looks ugly, but at least the streets are very clean unlike DTES, which is a slum at best.

No shit, Vancouver's worst area is more messy than one of Tokyo's nicest areas. Now lets compare the 1000 block of Alberni to Tokyo's worst block and see how those compare.

The DTES is certainly ugly and Vancouver needs to figure out some way to help its addicts, homeless, business owners, and residents, but cherry picking streetview images from Vancouver or elsewhere does very little to prove any point.

[jollyburger]

The troubled young man searching for his girlfriend is a case in point. Had someone offered the appropriate help in the right way at the right time, he wouldn’t have picked up a brick.

He wouldn’t have been arrested. And residents would not now be feeling vulnerable and afraid in their own homes.

We will likely never know whether he has or had a girlfriend who lived in that particular building. But I want to believe that she does exist and once, perhaps, even loved him.

And I believe that there are other people who love and worry about that shivering young man. They likely rest uneasily not knowing where or how he is, yet also knowing that they have done everything they could and have nothing left to give.

They and all the many others like them need a village to help bring the loved and the lost safely home.

https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columni...he-balance-between-compassion-and-safety

I was hoping for her to offer him a place to stay at the end of article. But I guess compassion has it's limits.

[hollywoodnorth]

Originally Posted by jollyburger

https://vancouversun.com/opinion/columni...he-balance-between-compassion-and-safety

I was hoping for her to offer him a place to stay at the end of article. But I guess compassion has it's limits.

I was thinking she would offer to be the girlfriend he was looking for.