Canadian LRT/RT projects U/C

[Luisito]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

The problem is, is it actually the trains themselves, or the people and quality of the work of those people?

Probably both. Those trams are used in several cities and run perfectly fine on the street where they belong.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Luisito

Probably both. Those trams are used in several cities and run perfectly fine on the street where they belong.

Why would putting them in their own ROW cause them to be a problem.

[ericmacm]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

So, after Quebec City, Hamilton, Winnipeg, London and Halifax, what other cities should seriously be considered for LRT? (Sudbury isn't serious, but it is an interesting though experiment)

The remaining non-LRT cities from our biggest 20 CMAs should all be planning for it within the next 30 years (or the provinces should be planning it for them). Niagara Region, Windsor, Oshawa, Victoria, Saskatoon, Regina, Sherbrooke, Kelowna, and all mentioned above are all growing, albeit at varying rates. Many of these cities are mid-sized today, but all will be much larger, with many likely evolving into new major regional centres in the next 30 years.

A few of these have dipped their toes into RT planning - Victoria was planning for LRT a few years ago until the province decided to cancel the project due to Victoria being too small. Now planning is being undertaken for BRT and a commuter rail service. Saskatoon is actively planning a major BRT network. Windsor was also planning potential BRT corridors before the Financial Crisis.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by ericmacm

The remaining non-LRT cities from our biggest 20 CMAs should all be planning for it within the next 30 years (or the provinces should be planning it for them). Niagara Region, Windsor, Oshawa, Victoria, Saskatoon, Regina, Sherbrooke, Kelowna, and all mentioned above are all growing, albeit at varying rates. Many of these cities are mid-sized today, but all will be much larger, with many likely evolving into new major regional centres in the next 30 years.

A few of these have dipped their toes into RT planning - Victoria was planning for LRT a few years ago until the province decided to cancel the project due to Victoria being too small. Now planning is being undertaken for BRT and a commuter rail service. Saskatoon is actively planning a major BRT network. Windsor was also planning potential BRT corridors before the Financial Crisis.

Interesting you mentioned Victoria. Parts of it are quite busy, and an LRT would make good sense.

[Luisito]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Why would putting them in their own ROW cause them to be a problem.

That is not the issue. The trams were not designed to work at such a high capacity. They were designed to run on the street one or two cars at a time.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Luisito

That is not the issue. The trams were not designed to work at such a high capacity. They were designed to run on the street one or two cars at a time.

How is that causing the issues?

[logan5]

Originally Posted by Luisito

That is not the issue. The trams were not designed to work at such a high capacity. They were designed to run on the street one or two cars at a time.

Each carriage of a (EMU) tram is self propelled, so what's the difference between 2 cars and 10 cars?

[Luisito]

Originally Posted by logan5

Each carriage of a (EMU) tram is self propelled, so what's the difference between 2 cars and 10 cars?

Yeah and how has running like a metro worked out for those low floor trams?
Where else do we see floor trams run like a fully grade seperated metro?

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Luisito

Yeah and how has running like a metro worked out for those low floor trams?
Where else do we see floor trams run like a fully grade seperated metro?

What does that have to do with the broken wires from freezing rain?

[Luisito]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

What does that have to do with the broken wires from freezing rain?

Low floor trams are not meant to be run like metros. Can you think of any other examples of low floor trams being used like this?

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Luisito

Low floor trams are not meant to be run like metros. Can you think of any other examples of low floor trams being used like this?

What doe slow floor have to do with freezing rain? Aren't most run outside of tunnels?

[Luisito]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

What doe slow floor have to do with freezing rain? Aren't most run outside of tunnels?

Sure but not at the same capacity. Can you think of other examples of low floor trams being run like metros?

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Luisito

Sure but not at the same capacity. Can you think of other examples of low floor trams being run like metros?

Still have not said why they are having a problem with freezing rain if they are designed to be used outside of tunnels.

[Luisito]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Still have not said why they are having a problem with freezing rain if they are designed to be used outside of tunnels.

That wasn't the only issue with these trams. The list is long.

You still have not named another system that runs trams like this.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Luisito

That wasn't the only issue with these trams. The list is long.

You still have not named another system that runs trams like this.

Green Line in Boston comes to mind.

If it was not unique to Ottawa, why has freezing rain not stopped the TTC, iON, CLRT or ELRT?

[Nite]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

With a city that is roughly 20km x 30km the city would need more than 15km of lines, or even 30km of lines. I would suggest a network of about 50km of total lines would be sufficient. for the long term. That would put it on par with Calgary. I am not suggesting they build it all in one project, They could do it in phases, much like Ottawa did.



We have 7+ different urban rail systems. No 2 are the same. Winnipeg's should not be identical to any other system.



They should also be watching KW too.

This is why Transit in Canada is so expensive to build because everything is design from scratch with multi years to design these novel systems. we would have save billions of dollars if Edmonton, Calgary and Ottawa had the exact same designs down to the same rolling stock, same stations, same lights, gauge, same everything. everything should be built to the exact same specs that without the knowing the names of the stations you wouldn't even know what city you were in. instead everything has to be unique which just waste money and time and prevents the systems from being expanded because of said cost and time.

Once we have a design we know that works well it should be copied relentailly across the country. This is how Spain and China are able to build massive systems so cheaply and fast.

[thebasketballgeek]

Originally Posted by Nite

This is why Transit in Canada is so expensive to build because everything is design from scratch with multi years to design these novel systems. we would have save billions of dollars if Edmonton, Calgary and Ottawa had the exact same designs down to the same rolling stock, same stations, same lights, gauge, same everything. everything should be built to the exact same specs that without the knowing the names of the stations you wouldn't even know what city you were in. instead everything has to be unique which just waste money and time and prevents the systems from being expanded because of said cost and time.

Once we have a design we know that works well it should be copied relentailly across the country. This is how Spain and China are able to build massive systems so cheaply and fast.

Yep they are doing the same thing in India. They realized the Delhi Metro system is effective and are just applying the same framework to cities like Bangalore Hyderabad, Mumbai, etc…

One of our Canadian cities has to emerge as the leader in transit too set up a framework for everyone else to work off.

Also I think the federal government has to be much more proactive in getting cities to invest in public transportation. I can assure you the state/provincial government aren’t the ones spearheading transit like they do in Canada.

[Nouvellecosse]

Originally Posted by Luisito

That wasn't the only issue with these trams. The list is long.

You still have not named another system that runs trams like this.

In order for anyone to worry whether or not other systems also do a particular thing, you first need to establish why that thing is important to the situation. You haven't explained why using trams in a frequent metro-like service is causing the problems Ottawa has experienced and instead you just keep asking for other examples.

It's like if your friend ate some mashed potatoes and got food poisoning and you claimed it was because they ate the potatoes out of a wine glass. Everyone would agree that it was unusual but would wonder why would that cause them to get sick. Was there bacteria in the glass? Or some kind of poison? You'd need to answer that before claiming the wine glass caused the sickness. But instead of answering, you just kept asking for examples of people who eats mashed potatoes out of a wine glass. Like, if you can't establish a causal connection, time to move on.

[scryer]

Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

In order for anyone to worry whether or not other systems also do a particular thing, you first need to establish why that thing is important to the situation. You haven't explained why using trams in a frequent metro-like service is causing the problems Ottawa has experienced and instead you just keep asking for other examples.

It's like if your friend ate some mashed potatoes and got food poisoning and you claimed it was because they ate the potatoes out of a wine glass. Everyone would agree that it was unusual but would wonder why would that cause them to get sick. Was there bacteria in the glass? Or some kind of poison? You'd need to answer that before claiming the wine glass caused the sickness. But instead of answering, you just kept asking for examples of people who eats mashed potatoes out of a wine glass. Like, if you can't establish a causal connection, time to move on.

What is going on here?

[Nouvellecosse]

Some people just have trouble with the concept of causation. But hey, nobody's perfect and we all have trouble with something.