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Old Posted Nov 9, 2022, 6:58 PM
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I could be wrong but I think the bridge is paid by the developer under "community Benefits"
Hope they got the money up-front.
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It is not a freight bypass or future rail link to Gatineau, the CPR rail bridge over Ottawa River is being converted to a walking and bicycle path across river to Gatineau.
It's a freight bypass.

In the sale agreement with CP, the city promised to give CP access to the corridor should they ever need it again. The current alignment for the O-Train doesn't have the necessary clearance for freight (or standard loading gauge cars) so there are provisions to build a bypass if ever needed. It's very unlikely though.

The bridge is being "temporarily" converted for pedestrian use. The rails are still on the bridge, underneath the pedestrian deck. If we ever want to use the bridge for rail again, all we need to do is remove the deck. Whether that will ever happen is a separate discussion.
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Hope they got the money up-front.
I believe that the Community Benefits Charges are added to the development charges that the developer pays at time of picking up their building permit.
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I find it rather odd that negative posts are being made because Trinity has not started this project, including they should sell up. It is very obvious to me that economic and market conditions have changed drastically within the last year for a project of this size for a medium sized city like Ottawa. Rising interest rates, materials supply and demand issues, construction labour shortage and zero demand for commercial office space. I am sure Trinity has re-evaluated the project in relation to these issues and the project will commence at the right time. I believe if Trinity is to take a phased approach the city needs to be notified. Not sure if documentation is required. I presume that once work is finished on the trillium line, this project will proceed with the office tower component put on hold indefinitely. Optimistically I hope for a spring 2023 start.
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Trinity brought in InterRent (CLV) in the last year, I would expect it to start summer 23 after the gladstone project.
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Trinity brought in InterRent (CLV) in the last year, I would expect it to start summer 23 after the gladstone project.
I thought the Gladstone project still had way more hurdles to go through than this one? Also I believe Trinity said Spring 2023 but I'm taking any start date with a huge grain of salt at this point. I just want to see shovels on the ground.
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I thought the Gladstone project still had way more hurdles to go through than this one? Also I believe Trinity said Spring 2023 but I'm taking any start date with a huge grain of salt at this point. I just want to see shovels on the ground.
The gladstone project to reach a settlement with the canada bank note company and give notice on its leases maybe that will happen, maybe it won't but the trinity project will probably have to wait for construction at bayview to finish.
Unless there's an economic meltdown both of them along with a rental Claridge project where the hintonburg is will probably all have broken ground by next fall
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2022, 7:28 PM
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I find it rather odd that negative posts are being made because Trinity has not started this project, including they should sell up. It is very obvious to me that economic and market conditions have changed drastically within the last year for a project of this size for a medium sized city like Ottawa. Rising interest rates, materials supply and demand issues, construction labour shortage and zero demand for commercial office space. I am sure Trinity has re-evaluated the project in relation to these issues and the project will commence at the right time. I believe if Trinity is to take a phased approach the city needs to be notified. Not sure if documentation is required. I presume that once work is finished on the trillium line, this project will proceed with the office tower component put on hold indefinitely. Optimistically I hope for a spring 2023 start.
My biggest rife with Trinity is their bait and switch on Rideau. That's why I doubt they are capable of pulling this one off.

That said, this development has been approved for 4+ years. At the time, there was no labour or material shortage. Interest rates were low. Office space was in high demand. Reasoning at the time for not building might have been the Melnyk Lawsuit, which was kind of Trinity's own doing in part.
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Lawsuit settled - maybe this will clear another hurdle toward project start
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Lawsuit settled - maybe this will clear another hurdle toward project start
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Was it ever a hurdle?
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Lawsuit over LeBreton Flats settled between Capital Sports Inc. and Trinity Developments

Bruce Garrioch, Ottawa Citizen
Dec 12, 2022 • 35 minutes ago • 4 minute read


The Ottawa Senators confirmed Monday night a lawsuit launched by Capital Sports Management Inc. (CSMI) against former partners in the LeBreton Flats project has been settled.

“All the parties involved in this matter have reached an out-of-court settlement,” the club said in a statement before facing the Anaheim Ducks at the Canadian Tire Centre. “CSMI will not comment further.”

Though this news comes with the Senators looking for a new owner after the Melnyk family put the club up for sale last month, league sources have told this newspaper this lawsuit would have no effect on the transaction to bring in a new owner.

“The lawsuit wasn’t important and wouldn’t have stopped the sale,” a league source said Monday.

That’s because Eugene Melnyk launched the lawsuit for $700 million against John Ruddy through his company CSMI, which is a separate entity from the Senators. Trinity countersued for $1 billion and the two sides had been going through discovery in court for several months.

This does allow the incoming owner to have a clean slate when it comes to signing an agreement with the National Capital Commission for a new lease at LeBreton Flats. The NCC is hoping to have a deal in place for a new rink in place by the fall with the club’s new owner.

The Senators were given preferred bidder status by the NCC in June and have signed a memorandum of understanding to have a lease in place for a six-acre parcel of land to build a new arena to house the club.

The matter was scheduled to go to court after CSMI and the Trinity Development Group launched lawsuits against each other after a bid to redevelop LeBreton Flats fell through in 2018.

Melnyk wasn’t happy that Trinity’s John Ruddy had opted to build office towers at 900 Albert, across the street from LeBreton Flats while also being involved in the project. The two sides simply could not find common ground, and that’s when the deal was scuttled.

After Melnyk passed away following a lengthy illness last March, the two sides continued to do battle through lawyers. The trial would have been long and if it had gone to court may have dragged on for months, then both sides would have had to wait for a decision.

The reality is this lawsuit had become nothing more than a distraction.

Now, the focus will be solely on the sale of the franchise, not that many were paying attention to this lawsuit outside of a couple of media people, but it’s another piece of business done.

Deputy commissioner Bill Daly told reporters at the NHL’s board of governors meetings in Palm Beach, Fla. Monday that there has been plenty of interest from groups interested in purchasing the Senators from the Melnyk family.

“There seems to be significant interest, which is good,” Daly said. “(It) should be a healthy process.”

Daly said he’s not surprised there’s been so many groups investigate the possibility of purchasing the Senators. We’ve been told through this process that more than 20 groups have contacted New York-based banker Galatioto Sports Partners (GSP) which is running the sale process.

“Look, there’s a lot of interest in the franchise, which I think speaks highly of the league as an investment,” Daly said.

Last month, following the general managers’ meetings in Toronto, Daly told this newspaper that the league had received calls from interested parties.

Daly added: “Everybody knows what the rules of the game are, which is this team is staying in Ottawa and you’re looking to purchase this team and operating in Ottawa.”

This newspaper was first to report the new owner must also agree to build the rink at LeBreton Flats. The league has also encouraging any prospective buyer that Vancouver-born actor Ryan Reynolds should be brought in as a partner in the new ownership group.

There’s no formal update on the sale scheduled at this meeting. Commissioner Gary Bettman and Daly are planning to give the governors a glimpse of the process when matters concerning all the franchise’s are on the agenda.

Right now, interested parties are pouring through the club’s books using a website set up by GSP that opened in early December. In the coming weeks, potentials buyers will be asked to submit bids and sources have suggested there could be as many as five or six.

While Toronto billionaire Michael Andlauer, a part-owner of the Montreal Canadiens, is considered the frontrunner, he’s hardly alone in this process. We’re told Toronto real estate developers Michael and Jeffrey Kimel have also put together a significant partnership and there’s also the Canadian-based “mystery group” we were first to report about.

There’s also speculation Ruddy wanted the lawsuit off the table so he can partner with Andlauer but it’s not known if that’s reality.

But as a league source noted to this newspaper late Monday, let’s not forget the power that Bettman holds in the process.

That’s why many consider Andlauer to be the frontrunner. He’s already a member of the league’s board of governors and he’s in the process of trying to sell his share in the Canadiens.

“Remember (Bettman) picks the new owner,” the source said.

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Was it ever a hurdle?
I can’t see how it was a hurdle, companies get sued all the time and still carry on business. The project is still vapourware.
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I can’t see how it was a hurdle, companies get sued all the time and still carry on business. The project is still vapourware.
I think that's right. Where it becomes a hurdle is in the sale of a business, because the potential liability, at least at face value, was high. It pretty much had to be cleared up before the Sens could be sold, and the same would apply if Trinity is looking to sell this project, which we hope it is.
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No, the article states clearly that "Eugene Melnyk launched the lawsuit for $700 million against John Ruddy through his company CSMI, which is a separate entity from the Senators."

So the lawsuit would not have affected the sale of the Senators at all.
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Old Posted Dec 13, 2022, 2:30 PM
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The biggest hurdle I think is likely the Trillium Line construction delays. They haven't even put the bridge up yet.
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No, the article states clearly that "Eugene Melnyk launched the lawsuit for $700 million against John Ruddy through his company CSMI, which is a separate entity from the Senators."

So the lawsuit would not have affected the sale of the Senators at all.
It's not quite that simple. CSMI is part of the Senators Sports and Entertainment corporate structure, and is very much related to the team. CSMI was the Senators entity that was taking on the debt for the new arena, so it's pretty important not to have a $1 billion liability on their books. Not to mention that Trinity was suing Melnyk personally (i.e. his estate, the owner of the Sens), which is also quite relevant. The $1 billion claim was always a bit of a fantastical number, but there isn't much doubt that some actual money changed hands to settle this (unless Ruddy is part of a frontrunning potential ownership group).
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Old Posted Dec 13, 2022, 4:43 PM
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It also wasn't just Trinity, Bird, and CSMI, the development companies and partnerships created for this site were also part of the $700 million lawsuit (801 ALBERT STREET INC., TIP ALBERT GP INC., TIP ALBERT LIMITED PARTNERSHIP, TRINITY ALBERT LP)
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??? The current plan already has provisions for such a bridge to be built with a pathway indicated along the southern border of the site. It's just neither the city nor the developer has talked about one, probably because nobody is willing to fund it. Note: they can't build anything on that part anyway because that's where the relocated sewer line is.



I was reading the Bayview / West Downtown core secondary plan, it appears the city has an agreement with city centre for when they start to redevolop to add an active use bridge just south of this on the city centre land.

Not sure how it will connect up but looks like there is plans to implement.

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