Metro Vancouver Road Infrastructure Discussion

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by logicbomb

When you are adding 5 million more people into mainly 2-3 cities, traffic will inevitably get worse. That goes with health care, education, demand for food and essential products and other public services. Road tolling just screws over the poor and doesn't accomplish anything.

People once thought the price of gas near $2/L would force people to take alternative measures of transportation yet traffic has progressively gotten worse in light of the higher gas prices. People are bidding on used vehicles and buying cars way above the MSRP. The price point where one gives up their vehicle will be the same threshold that forces one to go to Main and Hastings.

And of course that's why the Liveable Cities Plan was brought in years ago. Denser suburban cores would offer work opportunities so not everyone had to commute in Downtown Vancouver. New highrises in Surrey Centre or Metrotown shouldn't be a catalyst for forummers do go "See told you so, Surrey is passing Vancouver!". It is just proof the plan is working.

[logicbomb]

Originally Posted by Changing City

I think your logicbomb may have exploded. Five Million? We've just passed two and a half million, and that took 150 years to get here. The next million is expected to be added in 30 years or so (and in more than three cities). Adding five million would take us way past the point of having anything recognizeable as a car.

When did I say 5 million people were exclusively coming into our region?

https://www.livemint.com/news/world/why-...-in-next-three-years-11669291814748.html

According to the Immigration Levels Plan 2023-2025 released last month, Canada aims to welcome 465,000 new immigrants in 2023. Then in 2024, the target is to invite 485,000 new immigrants and 500,000 new immigrants in 2025. That is, almost 1.5 million new immigrants coming to the country over the next three years.

That's not factoring in growth via international "students" and those coming in via "tourist" and "work" visas. It's entirely realistic this country sees growth exceeding 5 million by the end of the decade. Most of which will settle within the Vancouver, Toronto or Montreal regions.

We are really shooting ourselves in the foot by underbuilding road and transit infrastructure. Growth is definitely coming and will be coming from countries where it's rather common to have 3-4 children per family.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by logicbomb

When you are adding 5 million more people into mainly 2-3 cities, traffic will inevitably get worse. That goes with health care, education, demand for food and essential products and other public services. Road tolling just screws over the poor and doesn't accomplish anything.

People once thought the price of gas near $2/L would force people to take alternative measures of transportation yet traffic has progressively gotten worse in light of the higher gas prices. People are bidding on used vehicles and buying cars way above the MSRP. The price point where one gives up their vehicle will be the same threshold that forces one to go to Main and Hastings.

Healthcare, education, food and other public services are necessities for a city. As pedestrian and transit infrastructure improve (obviously not enough by 2022, so they'll try again 1-2 decades later), traffic will become a choice; a large bus & subway network and high walkability allow London and Singapore to make congestion pricing work just fine, despite a much larger population than Vancouver.

And yes, the climbing price of gas has convinced my family to take less car trips. Obviously, some people will opt to suck it up and pay more, but more ways to get in and out of downtown will slowly change that.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by logicbomb

When did I say 5 million people were exclusively coming into our region?

https://www.livemint.com/news/world/why-...-in-next-three-years-11669291814748.html



That's not factoring in growth via international "students" and those coming in via "tourist" and "work" visas. It's entirely realistic this country sees growth exceeding 5 million by the end of the decade. Most of which will settle within the Vancouver, Toronto or Montreal regions.

We are really shooting ourselves in the foot by underbuilding road and transit infrastructure. Growth is definitely coming and will be coming from countries where it's rather common to have 3-4 children per family.

Somehow I predicted everything you'd say. See the response to me above.

Instead of looking at one semi-related number to extrapolate growth, why not just look at real growth? Metro Vancouver only sees around 1% growth annually which means about 25k more people a year. We're not going to grow as fast as you're implying, but we're definitely growing.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Metro Vancouver's pegged at 3.8 million by 2050, or about 1.3 million new residents over two decades. By then, the Broadway and Langley SkyTrains, and with any luck, the UBC, Hastings, North Shore and Willingdon ones will be finished or under construction; ditto the Granville Connector, Arbutus Greenway and possibly NEFC. If so, then by all means, start taxing roadspace.

[GenWhy?]

Maybe 717,200 in Vancouver by 2030? Most of that growth will be in the Metro Core (north of 16th), Cambie. So I don't think local car traffic for our roads is a foreseeable issue. The parking counts in our Broadway Plan proposals are very low, for example and hopefully, by 2023, we can hit 65%+ of those in the city not commuting by car.

[libtard]

Recently highway 1 was re-paved in both directions from the port Mann to around 200 street. The strange thing is, at every exit/entrance the new asphalt on the highway is a couple inches higher than the original asphalt on the on-ramp. So every time you get on or off the highway there’s a large bump between the new pavement which is higher, and the old pavement which is lower. BC infrastructure

[WarrenC12]

I find it weird they repaved that. There are much worse sections that need attention.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by libtard

Recently highway 1 was re-paved in both directions from the port Mann to around 200 street. The strange thing is, at every exit/entrance the new asphalt on the highway is a couple inches higher than the original asphalt on the on-ramp. So every time you get on or off the highway there’s a large bump between the new pavement which is higher, and the old pavement which is lower. BC infrastructure

Maybe they'll pave the ramps in the spring?

[NetMapel]

Originally Posted by GenWhy?

Maybe 717,200 in Vancouver by 2030? Most of that growth will be in the Metro Core (north of 16th), Cambie. So I don't think local car traffic for our roads is a foreseeable issue. The parking counts in our Broadway Plan proposals are very low, for example and hopefully, by 2023, we can hit 65%+ of those in the city not commuting by car.

I think we definitely should think bigger and start changing our zoning accordingly. Why do we have a large area of single family house zone that surround tiny strips of multi-stories zones?



Essentially what we got is a Vancouver version of this:


It does not promote walkability or less car-dependency.

[Vantage]

But muh character neighbourhoods!

[CivicBlues]

Has anyone else noticed that Google Maps has downgraded Highway 99 between Richmond and Blaine from a Highway into a lowly arterial road?

https://imgur.com/gallery/uPTnrf5

It was obvious if you turn on Traffic and see that it's not highlighted when you zoom out. But you can confirm it too when you set directions to "Avoid Highways" say for Vancouver - Seattle, and it still puts you on Highway 99: https://imgur.com/gallery/Ijapzbt

I reported the mistake to Google Maps but they seem to be dragging their feet. It's been "need to verifying my edit" for weeks now Perhaps if more people report it it'll be looked at with more urgency?

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

Has anyone else noticed that Google Maps has downgraded Highway 99 between Richmond and Blaine from a Highway into a lowly arterial road?

https://imgur.com/gallery/uPTnrf5

It was obvious if you turn on Traffic and see that it's not highlighted when you zoom out. But you can confirm it too when you set directions to "Avoid Highways" say for Vancouver - Seattle, and it still puts you on Highway 99: https://imgur.com/Ijapzbt

I reported the mistake to Google Maps but they seem to be dragging their feet. It's been "need to verifying my edit" for weeks now Perhaps if more people report it it'll be looked at with more urgency?

I've noticed that Google Maps has messed up a lot of factual information that was previously correct for seemingly no good reason.

The borders they have for the Seymour Creek 2 IR for instance are seemingly just completely made up.



The actual surveying can be found on the Government of Canada survey site here.



It makes fantasy transit planning difficult.

[CivicBlues]

Maybe we have a Bad Actor going around submitting Google edits to mess with Vancouverites?

[Migrant_Coconut]

Probably just the algorithm reading metadata and getting it wrong. No, really.

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

Maybe we have a Bad Actor going around submitting Google edits to mess with Vancouverites?

They've had a West Bay in the middle of West Vancouver for a year or so.

https://www.nsnews.com/local-news/why-di...urhood-to-the-british-properties-5014169

[jollyburger]

Even on Google Maps you can see there's a lot of these problem spots developing along joints eastbound. It'll be fun to see how they deal with these if they all start failing within a year of being "repaired"

[Jimbo604]

More widening of Lougheed Highway through Maple Ridge announced

"Four lanes to extend from 266th to 287th Street in $106-million project
MAPLE RIDGE NEWS STAFF Nov. 16, 2022 6:00 p.m.

Construction to widen the four-kilometre stretch of Lougheed Highway between 266th and 287th streets in Maple Ridge will begin this month. ...

“This project will widen the last two-lane stretch of Highway 7 between the Haney Bypass in Maple Ridge and Mission to four lanes,” said Bob D’Eith, MLA for Maple Ridge-Mission. “By adding a lane in each direction, with a centre median barrier, we’ll make this section of highway safer for drivers. I’ve been an advocate of this project from the beginning and it’s great to see construction getting started.”

When completed, Highway 7 will be widened to four lanes between 266th and 287th streets to address traffic congestion. Centre median barriers will improve safety, with barriers also added to the existing four-lane highway from west of Spilsbury Road to 266th Street.

Three intersections will be upgraded and highway shoulders widened to two metres in both directions over the length of the project to provide safer options for cyclists and pedestrians.

READ ALSO: Highway widening planned for Maple Ridge

Project completion is expected in fall 2024.

[Klazu]

Nice to see them addressing the last gap on that highway! If only Highway 1 would see widening as fast Lougheed Highway.

Related to the "pothole" on Ironworkers, there was a photo on Reddit of the temporary patch they have applied. Looks like a tire killer.

https://www.reddit.com/r/vancouver/comments/zyervf/attn_vancouver_2nd_narrows_pothole_now_a_steel/

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Nice to see them addressing the last gap on that highway! If only Highway 1 would see widening as fast Lougheed Highway.

Related to the "pothole" on Ironworkers, there was a photo on Reddit of the temporary patch they have applied. Looks like a tire killer.

https://www.reddit.com/r/vancouver/comments/zyervf/attn_vancouver_2nd_narrows_pothole_now_a_steel/

The plate came loose as well and they've been doing some work on the repair work all day today.