The Great Canadian Transit Thread - Page 848

Coldrsx · #**16941** Posted **Dec 6, 2022, 9:56 PM**

Many buses, large and small, go between on a regular basis but are pricey and international visitor based. Part of the intent is to provide Albertans and locals with more options.

ROAM transit is pretty solid between Canmore/Banff/LL and continues to expand its reach and is a viable option for many to go to key destinations.

swimmer_spe · #**16942** Posted **Dec 7, 2022, 4:27 AM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

Many buses, large and small, go between on a regular basis but are pricey and international visitor based. Part of the intent is to provide Albertans and locals with more options.

ROAM transit is pretty solid between Canmore/Banff/LL and continues to expand its reach and is a viable option for many to go to key destinations.

I took a look at Roam. It is a pretty good system that covers enough. What is needed is a way to not need to bring a car into the park.

Coldrsx · #**16943** Posted **Dec 7, 2022, 4:52 AM**

It's nearly there and will be after this report.

The last mile and first 20miles the next day are key.

FrAnKs · #**16944** Posted **Dec 8, 2022, 4:25 PM**

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GeneralLea · #**16945** Posted **Dec 8, 2022, 7:39 PM**

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/confidential-documents-eglinton-crosstown-lrt-1.6675131

I don't think I'm wrong when I say this is one of the biggest reasons many Torontonians are skeptical of Metrolinx.
The article suggests the P3 model is a questionable method of moving forward with projects, which makes sense, but there does need to be more accountability when you have massive infrastructure projects like this that last years and have many challenges.

Nite · #**16946** Posted **Dec 9, 2022, 4:37 AM**

Coast to Coast: Looking Back at the Progress of Rail Projects Throughout Canada in 2022

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Timestamps

00:00 - Introduction

00:13 - Vancouver SkyTrain

01:46 - Calgary Green Line

02:19 - Edmonton Valley Line

03:35 - Edmonton Metro Line Northwest

04:11 - Edmonton Capital Line South

04:45 - Hamilton LRT

05:08 - Hurontario LRT

06:12 - Ontario Line

07:06 - Finch West LRT

07:52 - Eglinton Crosstown LRT / Crosstown West

09:23 - Yonge North Subway Extension

09:47 - GO Expansion Project

10:50 - Scarborough Subway Extension

11:28 - Ottawa O-Train Stage 2

12:59 - Montreal REM

14:21 - Montreal Metro Blue Line Extension

14:49 - Quebec City Tramway

15:53 - High Frequency Rail

16:21 - Conclusion

manny_santos · #**16947** Posted **Dec 9, 2022, 6:00 AM**

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Originally Posted by Luisito

There are places where the Go Train and EXO trains run next to freights. I have seen freight use EXO lines. Pretty much every north american commuter train I have seen runs in proximity to freights.

In San Diego, a portion of the MTS Trolley trackage between downtown and the Mexican border is used by freight trains. However the freight trains are only permitted on those tracks during the overnight hours when the Trolley isn’t running.

Luisito · #**16948** Posted **Dec 9, 2022, 4:05 PM**

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In San Diego, a portion of the MTS Trolley trackage between downtown and the Mexican border is used by freight trains. However the freight trains are only permitted on those tracks during the overnight hours when the Trolley isn’t running.

Yeah there are plenty of examples of this. Those MTS Trolleys are nice.

Innsertnamehere · #**16949** Posted **Dec 9, 2022, 4:23 PM**

The Kitchener LRT has freight trains on it overnight I believe as well.

Luisito · #**16950** Posted **Dec 9, 2022, 5:49 PM**

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The Kitchener LRT has freight trains on it overnight I believe as well.

Exactly. When there is a will there is a way. Kitchener is around the same size as Halifax. No reason why Halifax couldn't also have a similar LRT system. The digging tunnels for it seems a little extreme though.

As far a commuter trains go. You don't have to run ten car trains. I have seen locomotives pull as little as two or three cars. No real reason why this couldn't be done in the Halifax area. Even if it means using older equipment for the time being.

swimmer_spe · #**16951** Posted **Dec 9, 2022, 6:08 PM**

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Originally Posted by Luisito

Exactly. When there is a will there is a way. Kitchener is around the same size as Halifax. No reason why Halifax couldn't also have a similar LRT system. The digging tunnels for it seems a little extreme though.

As far a commuter trains go. You don't have to run ten car trains. I have seen locomotives pull as little as two or three cars. No real reason why this couldn't be done in the Halifax area. Even if it means using older equipment for the time being.

The problem in Halifax isn't using the railway. It is removing lanes of traffic. Too many of their roads are under 4 lanes without a turning lane, especially in Downtown. Many of those under 4 lanes roads also do not have on street parking. So, to get 2 tracks there, either it mixes with traffic, which would be bad, or you drop the lanes to 1 total for cars.

The other problem in Halifax is that it is quite hilly. To walk from water St to the Citadel is up a steep hill. You would need a cogged railway for that.

Luisito · #**16952** Posted **Dec 9, 2022, 6:19 PM**

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The problem in Halifax isn't using the railway. It is removing lanes of traffic. Too many of their roads are under 4 lanes without a turning lane, especially in Downtown. Many of those under 4 lanes roads also do not have on street parking. So, to get 2 tracks there, either it mixes with traffic, which would be bad, or you drop the lanes to 1 total for cars.

The other problem in Halifax is that it is quite hilly. To walk from water St to the Citadel is up a steep hill. You would need a cogged railway for that.

You are right on both points. This is why i originally suggested a commuter train would be a better idea. A commuter train using old train routes and elevated lines where needed. I am not against LRT but diggin tunnels for it seems like too much. And you make a good point the streets in many parts of Halifax are very tight.

swimmer_spe · #**16953** Posted **Dec 9, 2022, 6:23 PM**

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Originally Posted by Luisito

You are right on both points. This is why i suggested a commuter train would be a better idea. A commuter train using old train routes and elevated lines where needed. I am not against LRT but diggin tunnels for it seems like too much. And you make a good point the streets in many parts of Halifax are very tight.

Have you been to Halifax?The Citadel is almost 250 Feet from the sea level, and under 1km from the shoreline.

Luisito · #**16954** Posted **Dec 9, 2022, 6:25 PM**

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Have you been to Halifax?The Citadel is almost 250 Feet from the sea level, and under 1km from the shoreline.

I grew up in Halifax. I am very familiar with the city. Not sure what your point is?

J.OT13 · #**16955** Posted **Dec 9, 2022, 6:30 PM**

Trudeau government to contribute $500 million to Bloor-Yonge Station

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/trudeau-gover...million-to-bloor-yonge-station-1.6187766

Luisito · #**16956** Posted **Dec 9, 2022, 7:22 PM**

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Trudeau government to contribute $500 million to Bloor-Yonge Station

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/trudeau-gover...million-to-bloor-yonge-station-1.6187766

Looks nice. 👌

Nouvellecosse · #**16957** Posted **Dec 9, 2022, 8:00 PM**

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Originally Posted by Luisito

You are right on both points. This is why i originally suggested a commuter train would be a better idea. A commuter train using old train routes and elevated lines where needed. I am not against LRT but diggin tunnels for it seems like too much. And you make a good point the streets in many parts of Halifax are very tight.

A tunnel seems like too much based on what? What criteria are you using to determine when a tunnel is and isn't warranted?

swimmer_spe · #**16958** Posted **Dec 9, 2022, 8:07 PM**

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Originally Posted by Luisito

You are right on both points. This is why i originally suggested a commuter train would be a better idea. A commuter train using old train routes and elevated lines where needed. I am not against LRT but diggin tunnels for it seems like too much. And you make a good point the streets in many parts of Halifax are very tight.

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Originally Posted by Luisito

I grew up in Halifax. I am very familiar with the city. Not sure what your point is?

Your idea of elevating a route instead of tunneling. If we are to assume any LRT would be starting downtown and coming out at the Fairview area, why build a massive guideway to go up then back down to sea level when you could build a relatively level tunnel?

TorontoDrew · #**16959** Posted **Dec 9, 2022, 8:11 PM**

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Originally Posted by J.OT13

Trudeau government to contribute $500 million to Bloor-Yonge Station

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/trudeau-gover...million-to-bloor-yonge-station-1.6187766

That's a lot of money wow! That station definitely needs upgrading. It gets crazy busy. $1.5 billion in total to upgrade that crossover station.

Luisito · #**16960** Posted **Dec 9, 2022, 8:21 PM**

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Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

Your idea of elevating a route instead of tunneling. If we are to assume any LRT would be starting downtown and coming out at the Fairview area, why build a massive guideway to go up then back down to sea level when you could build a relatively level tunnel?

It would go around the Peninsula. Similar to the old 9 Barrington bus route, 29 now I believe. Much easier than building through the city.

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Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

A tunnel seems like too much based on what? What criteria are you using to determine when a tunnel is and isn't warranted?

Digging a tunnel for an lrt? Seems like over the top for small city like Halifax. i only know of a few example of this and in much much bigger cities. Diggining tunnels through rock is not cheap.