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Old Posted Nov 29, 2022, 8:17 PM
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Not big news, but it looks like the first window panel has been installed in the Astra Tower !!
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Old Posted Nov 29, 2022, 9:49 PM
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Old Posted Nov 29, 2022, 11:07 PM
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Any idea what those window modules are made of?
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Looks like the facade panels for the garage. Those will be open I guess right? No glass?

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any idea what those window modules are made of?
Pre-cast concrete

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Old Posted Nov 30, 2022, 5:47 PM
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Looks like the facade panels for the garage. Those will be open I guess right? No glass?
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Old Posted Nov 30, 2022, 10:17 PM
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Looks like the facade panels for the garage. Those will be open I guess right? No glass?

Hey, nice to see my city model in use out in the wild, though that version is so old (pre-2017) I don't even have a backup of it. And they obviously made some modifications like the roads, the blocks, and hotel next door to the west. Nice nonetheless.
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Old Posted Dec 1, 2022, 12:05 AM
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I am considering voting for Rocky. I never thought that sentence would come out of my mouth. If he can articulate a route to massively improving the homeless/crime/public health crisis I am all in. The modern liberal/progressive ideology is so scared to make tough decisions with this population because of its ideology that society is so unjust that people harassing you, setting up little communities blocking the street, aggressive panhandling or laying on the streets drugged out with a needle hanging out their arm must be tolerated.

I want a mayor that says, "permeant housing needs to be offered and available to every homeless person/family that is willing to go through drug rehab. Those that don't can stay on the streets unless their behavior becomes a safety or public health issue. No one is allowed to lay on the street with hypodermic needles around, human waste, pets or anything unsanitary or unsafe.

Tent communities will not be allowed because of the human waste and disease spreading issue. If you do not take treatment and housing then you will be detained against your will because your disease has progressed to the point of it being a public health and safety concern. You will be put through detox and a rehab program that removes your access to drugs, but gets you access to public resources to get your life back. This program (obviously this would need to be funded via state, federal and city funds) will be 6 months to 1 year long.

This is a message of mercy for those with the disease of addiction. Having people OD'ing every day on the streets is not compassionate, safe, sanitary or progressive."

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2022/11/...son-comes-out/


Rocky III: Anderson comes out swinging against Mendenhall as he launches SLC mayor bid

By Blake Apgar
| Nov. 30, 2022, 1:00 p.m.
| Updated: 3:28 p.m.

Former Salt Lake City Mayor Rocky Anderson said Utah’s capital has descended into a ruinous state since he left office in 2008, but he can fix it if voters give him another chance in City Hall next year.

In a transcript of prepared remarks delivered at a State Street salon Wednesday afternoon, Anderson officially announced his bid for a third term more than a decade after leaving office.

Anderson said he’s tried — and failed — to get the mayor and certain members of the City Council to solve the city’s problems.


“Because of their do-nothing attitude, because of the mayor’s lack of candor and accessibility, and because of the deterioration of our city resulting from an absence of effective leadership,” Anderson said, “I have determined that, with the support of many conscientious people in the community, I am running to once again serve this city as its mayor.”

Anderson said he initially ran in 1999 because he was passionate about the changes he could make in the environment, policing, housing, long-term planning, diversity, youth programs, restorative justice and combating sprawl, pollution and corruption.


During his tenure, he accomplished much of what he set out to do, he said, but added the city has taken a turn for the worse since he stepped away.

“Now, our city is degraded, crime-ridden, dangerous, filthy in many areas, and cruel toward the members of the homeless community,” he said, “without even a coherent plan from our mayor.”

Asked Wednesday about Anderson’s announcement, Mayor Erin Mendenhall said she was concentrating on governing, not campaigning. Although she has not announced her reelection bid, she is expected to seek a second term.

“We’re focused on helping people be safe,” she said, “and not scaring them.”

Anderson said he has a proven record of success leading the city’s executive branch, pointing to his work substantially reducing greenhouse gas emissions, implementing restorative justice programs, diversifying the city’s workforce, providing housing and services for chronically homeless Utahns, investing in infrastructure and advocating for the expansion of public transit.


And unlike Mendenhall, he said, he pulled it all off without raising property taxes.

If voters rehire him, Anderson said, he would improve transparency by holding monthly meetings with the public, revive the International Jazz Festival, repair and reopen the Seven Canyons Fountain at Liberty Park, and restore the once-popular curbside cleanup service that was terminated years ago.

He also vowed to do a better job dealing with the city’s weightiest problems.

Anderson lambasted the Salt Lake City Police Department for lackluster response times and rising violent crime under Mendenhall’s leadership.

“When I am mayor again, with better leadership at the Salt Lake City Police Department, we will once again set a goal of an average of 6 minutes or less for the police to respond to a Priority 1 call — and we will attain it, as we did before.”


Anderson said the progress in policing he made as mayor has been reversed since he left office, citing two controversial encounters — one from January, when a 40-year-old woman died after being restrained by officers, and another from 2020, when police shot a 13-year-old boy with autism (the nonfatal shooting resulted in a $3 million settlement).

Anderson accused Mendenhall and police Chief Mike Brown of misleading reporters and the public about violent crime statistics during a news conference in October, saying the data they used was cherry-picked to paint a picture that was rosier than reality.

“Skyrocketing violent crime combined with outrageously long police response times,” he said, “means an increasingly dangerous, frightening city for everyone.”

Anderson pledged to restore the city prosecutor’s office and implement restorative justice initiatives if he is elected.

He noted the frustration of one business owner who was fed up with the city’s lack of responsiveness to issues arising from homelessness.



Anderson said he opposes jailing or imprisoning people who can benefit from programs but doesn’t want the city to turn a blind eye to “destructive, dangerous, illegal conduct and allow it to continue.”

The former mayor called for an end to the “cruel, inhumane, repetitive police raids and evictions of homeless people from their camps” until there are other options for them.

Late Tuesday morning — just more than an hour before Anderson’s announcement — Mendenhall and others from the city, county and state gathered to tell reporters about a trip elected officials took to Miami to research a successful homelessness response program.

If voters send him back to City Hall, Anderson said he would set up one or more legal homeless camps to stop makeshift camps from cropping up across the city.

A legal homeless camp has been touted by two sitting west-side council members and was one of the highlights of a homelessness response plan released in October by the Pioneer Park Coalition. Anderson attended that plan’s unveiling but did not speak during the news conference.
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Old Posted Dec 1, 2022, 2:46 AM
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What did Rocky Anderson accomplish during his first term as mayor besides complain about Bush and antagonize the state government? Did he do anything to actually help the city?

This isn't flippant, it's a genuine question. I'm not really sure what Rocky accomplished, but I was also too young at the time to really pay attention.

Mendenhall is pretty mediocre in a lot of ways, but I have my doubts that Rocky Anderson will do any better.
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Old Posted Dec 1, 2022, 4:09 AM
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This is SKYSCRAPER page. Not POLITICS page.
Both of you, jump on reddit. Argue your guts out. Just take it somewhere else.
This website is for discussions and photos of local buildings and developments.
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Ah, I see. You weren't here for the "good old days" (00s) when Rocky Anderson dominated this forum.

I think the Rocky vs. Hannity debate took at least three pages.
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Ah, I see. You weren't here for the "good old days" (00s) when Rocky Anderson dominated this forum.

I think the Rocky vs. Hannity debate took at least three pages.
Trust me, I know all about it. That's why I'm saying they need to stop. This isn't the place for politics. The internet has plenty of other websites for that.
I've been reading skyscraperpage since 2005. I started posting on an old account ("Skyscrapers4Me") that I created in 2007, but I lost the password.
Back in the early Google Earth days, I posted 3d Google Sketchup models of SLC buildings under the account "blackdogprod" until Google replaced everything with the current 3d oblique aerial photo computer generated images.
I just continued reading the forum for years and didn't create this account until 2014.

I mostly read up on the latest developments and don't post. The political in-fighting and local religion arguments, pro and con, don't belong here.

Hopefully, the moderator shuts the nonsense down. This isn't The Place.

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My intention wasn't necessarily a political discussion more of a passionate post about the current condition of the streets and the need for someone somewhere to do something about it in an effective way. Whether people like it or not politics is woven into decisions about what, where, how we build. It informs whether we expand a road or add transit options. I agree discussing individual candidates is boring. I care about ideas not people.

I also have been around since the days when CCC was announced in isn't first form as an interior mall and have learned that there are two types of people on this forum those that take a more board view of what topics and worthy of discussion and those that will absolutely lose their minds if we deviate from their approved subjects.

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Old Posted Dec 1, 2022, 8:14 PM
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How is discussions about who the next mayor of Salt Lake City will be not relevant to a forum about Salt Lake City development?
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Old Posted Dec 1, 2022, 8:38 PM
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It’s fine to talk about politics as it relates to development but when you go on a giant rant about a candidate and include sentences like “The modern liberal/progressive ideology is so scared…” it comes off as one sided and annoying. Could care a less about someone’s political preferences, but welcome any discussion on politics that are directly related to development. Like what are their ideas for rezoning and building heights downtown for example. Most of Sunny’s rant was on homelessness and drugs, which do indirectly impact development but is akin to times I brought up climate change and development and those topics were blocked by the moderator. If I can’t talk about the Salt Lake drying up and how that would impact development pretty sure a rant on homelessness and crime and politics falls in the same camp.
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Old Posted Dec 1, 2022, 11:16 PM
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Maybe we can debate - "Who will get us our first 600 foot tower? Rocky or Erin?"
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What did Rocky Anderson accomplish during his first term as mayor besides complain about Bush and antagonize the state government? Did he do anything to actually help the city?

This isn't flippant, it's a genuine question. I'm not really sure what Rocky accomplished, but I was also too young at the time to really pay attention.

Mendenhall is pretty mediocre in a lot of ways, but I have my doubts that Rocky Anderson will do any better.
Rocky turned the focus on Main Street and kickstarted the revival, which I think we can all agree has been a decent success. His advocacy came after eight years where Deedee Corradini really failed at focusing on creating a lively downtown. I will credit Corradini for bringing development downtown - but it was not necessarily Main Street-centric and when she retired in 2000, Main Street was extremely underutilized, which proved problematic heading into the Olympics.

Rocky also nixed a proposed mega-mall that was to be built out on the city's westside. I think this was likely his biggest accomplishment as the mall would have been a disaster for an already struggling Main Street.

Rocky also was the one who pushed zoning changes along the 400 South corridor in early 2000s, which has directly led to the residential growth we've seen on that area over the last few years.

I also liked his championing liberalizing Utah's liquor laws.

Ultimately, I'm on the fence who I'd vote for - but there's definitely a nostalgia aspect to Rocky. Crime was much lower during his time as mayor and maybe he will be bold enough to tackle the homeless issue in a way that actually works.

One thing I've always liked about Rocky is that he's never afraid to shake things up and sometimes that can be effective.
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Rocky turned the focus on Main Street and kickstarted the revival, which I think we can all agree has been a decent success. His advocacy came after eight years where Deedee Corradini really failed at focusing on creating a lively downtown. I will credit Corradini for bringing development downtown - but it was not necessarily Main Street-centric and when she retired in 2000, Main Street was extremely underutilized, which proved problematic heading into the Olympics.

Rocky also nixed a proposed mega-mall that was to be built out on the city's westside. I think this was likely his biggest accomplishment as the mall would have been a disaster for an already struggling Main Street.

Rocky also was the one who pushed zoning changes along the 400 South corridor in early 2000s, which has directly led to the residential growth we've seen on that area over the last few years.

I also liked his championing liberalizing Utah's liquor laws.

Ultimately, I'm on the fence who I'd vote for - but there's definitely a nostalgia aspect to Rocky. Crime was much lower during his time as mayor and maybe he will be bold enough to tackle the homeless issue in a way that actually works.

One thing I've always liked about Rocky is that he's never afraid to shake things up and sometimes that can be effective.
Thank you Comrade, this is the sort of information I want to hear if we’re talking politics. It relates back to development
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Old Posted Dec 2, 2022, 5:59 AM
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I didn't know about a proposed west-side megamall. That sounds like it would've been a disaster. Where was that supposed to be located?

Crime was definitely lower then, but I think we're dealing with a much more difficult and more nuanced political and social environment than when Rocky was in office. I have my doubts about whether he (or any other mayor) could really make a significant impact on those issues. There's a case to be made that Erin doesn't do enough though, and that might be a big enough issue for Rocky to get back into office.

As it is I don't know who I would vote for either, I'm far from making up my mind. I would be more likely to vote for Rocky if he would tone down the combative rhetoric he was known for in his first time in office. Some people may love that, but I find it sometimes counterproductive, and the fact that he ran for president after leaving office always made it feel like he was worried about bigger things than Salt Lake City specifically. Ralph Becker was able to do a lot of good for the city without the attention-seeking.
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Could someone let me know when theyre done with the endless political discussion? I keep coming back here thinking there will be development updates. Or maybe i have the wrong thread.
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