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Old Posted Nov 7, 2022, 10:05 PM
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Yes, this is the southwest corner. Per the info on the city website, it's proposed for the entire block between 7th and 8th.[/QUOTE]

We just received a notice of rezoning for that block from the city this afternoon. Looks like the plan is for 2 6-story buildings with dwellings and commercial space on the ground floor. The notice also mentions that there are planned to be 92 below-grade parking spots and 47 surface spaces; more interestingly they also include 54 bicycle parking places with 46 being below grade!

There is going to be an online public information meeting on Tues Dec 6 from 7-830.

I'm excited to see some life finally breathed into this long neglected (and I would think super prime!) corner.
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Old Posted Nov 13, 2022, 12:26 AM
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Saskatoon city council set to consider parking lot north of Midtown as site for downtown arena
City administration recommends the parking lot as a potential location

Theresa Kliem · CBC News
Posted: Nov 10, 2022 10:42 AM CT | Last Updated: November 10


Saskatoon is one step closer to determining a potential location for a future event centre and arena.

City administration recommends the parking lot north of the Midtown shopping centre downtown for the facility.

According to a news release, city council is set to consider the recommendation about the parking lot, which is located north of 22nd Street, between First Avenue and Pacific Avenue.

It isn't the only option for a location. Another feasible alternative, based on the administration's analysis, is at the city yards in the north downtown area.
City administration recommends site A, the parking lot north of the Midtown shopping centre, over site B for a future downtown centre and arena. The conditional agreement to buy the parking lot includes a purchase price of $25 million, the city said.

The decision to recommend the lot north of Midtown was based — among other things — on "an evaluation of the sites against extensive technical criteria," the city said in its news release.

This site got the highest score and ranked favourably in almost every category, according to the city. [...]

Read more: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saska...-lot-1.6647191

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Old Posted Nov 17, 2022, 1:17 AM
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Council approved the purchase of the Midtown parking lot today. Should be an interesting few years. During deliberations there was lots of talk about the BRT being pivotal to this location and greater transparency going forward in the process . Hopefully both of those are true.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saska...rena-1.6652737
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Old Posted Nov 24, 2022, 1:51 AM
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Throwing back to the conversation about Martensville's new arena from a few weeks ago, it was recently announced the project would receive $32.6 million in federal and provincial funding through the Investing in Canada Infrastructure Program.

https://saskatoon.ctvnews.ca/over-32...rink-1.6152673

This is huge news for the city and the entire area, and I imagine it drastically moves up the start of construction. Gripes with the plans aside, the city needs desperately needs a new arena, and I'm thrilled that this gives them the opportunity to build something nice rather than something adequate.

Warman also applied to the Program to fund an expansion of the Legends Centre but were denied. I gotta admit, the Martensviller (Martensvillain?) in me feels a bit of Schadenfreude. Bout time we get the nice new toy.
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Old Posted Nov 24, 2022, 3:51 AM
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When Warman built Legends Centre, it was done without any significant funding from the provincial or federal governments. The project was halted at the shell stage for close to a year while applying for additional funding. When that didn’t happen, the town (at the time) bit the bullet and borrowed the money required to complete the project. Yeah, Warmanites are bit choked about getting no funding (again).
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Old Posted Nov 24, 2022, 10:11 PM
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Any insight into why Martensville would get the funding but not Warman? Is it because the Legends Centre is newer? As a former Warmanite, I’m curious.
No, I don't. As a Warman resident and contractor, I've been following the proposed addition for a few years. The plans are complete and ready to tender. The City of Warman has been passed over in a succession of rounds of government funding. While I have no kids that use the Legends Centre (soon to be re-named the Warman Home Centre Multiplex), nor did I when it was first built, I believe the addition of a second ice surface would be a net benefit for the community as a whole and support taking on debt to finance the expansion. Unlike many recreation facilities, an ice rink can actually be a net generator of revenue.

Interestingly enough, I just stumbled across this article, which contains the latest info of funding the expansion:
https://www.cjwwradio.com/2022/11/22...ill-be-funded/
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Old Posted Nov 25, 2022, 1:30 AM
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I agree that it does not make sense why they couldn't fund both. I imagine it honestly just came down to the fact that Warman already has a new-ish facility, whereas Martensville's arena dates back to the 1980s. Out of the two, the Martensville arena was just more justifiable, but when you have a billion dollars to give away and both arenas would be a net benefit to the entire region, it doesn't make much sense.

As an aside, does anyone remember how much the Legends Centre cost when it was originally built?
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Old Posted Nov 25, 2022, 2:12 AM
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As an aside, does anyone remember how much the Legends Centre cost when it was originally built?
About $22 million construction costs. Would’ve been about $4 million less if it was done in one straight go, but was split into multiple phases as financing permitted. So the project dragged out, lost economies of scale and was subject to price escalation. As I recall the full build took over 3 years.
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Old Posted Nov 25, 2022, 3:31 AM
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Now that the arena location is set, when will the Riversdale parcels get sold and, hopefully, built on ASAP? The Gather Market is going in spring 2023, I'm worried that there won't be enough action to keep tenants busy. Definitely would make a big difference having another 1,000 residents or so nearby.
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Old Posted Nov 30, 2022, 10:18 AM
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Now that the arena location is set, when will the Riversdale parcels get sold and, hopefully, built on ASAP? The Gather Market is going in spring 2023, I'm worried that there won't be enough action to keep tenants busy. Definitely would make a big difference having another 1,000 residents or so nearby.
It’s very clear that city administration overlords have had no intention of building the arena on those parcels, so maybe in 15 years lol. like what is stopping them other than the fact that they’ve been so controlling of it. This administration needs a wake up call. it’s sad how controlling they are of the lots downtown, but somehow don’t care that one of the most prime lots downtown (the old credit union spot) is reaching a ten year anniversary of being empty all because remai’s and william’s are downtown land hoarders. Good thing we have folks like Dutchuk’s and Baydo now to stop their reigning terror control over the city’s land with mediocre builds they think can be offset by a taxpayer built mediocre gallery of art. It’s unfortunate that our city overlords aren’t proactive and carrying to build the perfect socialist city like the Chinese communists in cities like Shenzhen :/. I highly recommend checking out their controllership of that city lol, although it’s the silicon valley of china.
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Civic bureaucracy is often a noose on development; 20% understandable, 80% patronizing uselessness. https://youtu.be/2bz3OuarClY
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Civic bureaucracy is often a noose on development; 20% understandable, 80% patronizing uselessness. https://youtu.be/2bz3OuarClY
That video blames it on zoning and bureaucracy around that. I still think Saskatoon’s issues is mostly around the monopsony of land owners downtown that won’t give up land to eligible builders. I very clearly see that they won’t give up land for massive Baydo sized projects because they love their high margin suburban condos. You can see this very clearly on the east side of town. All of the landowners downtown have major projects on the fringes on the city, and will continue to do so.
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Damn Aaron Gunn may be an absolute garbage hack, but his presentation is also just terrible.
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Old Posted Dec 6, 2022, 7:13 PM
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dear Canadian Driver YXE! Please rescue our sorry, lazy-toon asses with some updates;>)

How's main st going? How about 4th and 20th? Baydo 5th ave?

If this was Regina or Winnipeg, we'd have 3 shots a day

You're the only one in all of Saskatoon that seems to be able to photo stuff, now that Roryn's gone. Please save this thread!

no pressure....
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Old Posted Dec 6, 2022, 10:45 PM
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This is just a reminder that the public info meeting for the proposal at 8th and Broadway is tonight at 7:00.

https://www.saskatoon.ca/engage/8th-...roadway-avenue
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dear Canadian Driver YXE! Please rescue our sorry, lazy-toon asses with some updates;>)

How's main st going? How about 4th and 20th? Baydo 5th ave?

If this was Regina or Winnipeg, we'd have 3 shots a day

You're the only one in all of Saskatoon that seems to be able to photo stuff, now that Roryn's gone. Please save this thread!

no pressure....
Thank you for reminding me, I just don't want to bore this forum with pictures that look similar because of the slow progress, and it seems like whenever I am off these days it's already too dark out to take pics. I'll make sure to drive by the construction sites this weekend for some updates!
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Old Posted Dec 7, 2022, 2:23 PM
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This is just a reminder that the public info meeting for the proposal at 8th and Broadway is tonight at 7:00.

https://www.saskatoon.ca/engage/8th-...roadway-avenue
Did anyone attend this? If so, how was the reaction? Any new interesting insight from the builder or architects?
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Did anyone attend this? If so, how was the reaction? Any new interesting insight from the builder or architects?
I thought it was quite a good meeting. The first half hour was an overview of the project and a run-through of reasons why it’s ideal for the corner. Emphasis was directed to the proximity of the future Broadway / 8th street BRT route and to the ways in which the project meets corridor planning goals. The project was repeatedly described as being “ahead of the curve” in anticipating and meeting the city’s goals for transit and corridor-oriented urban infill (for example, although the “Nutana Corridor Plan” hasn’t been developed yet, this project is intended to pre-emptively meet those priorities). With respect to new insights on the project, it was mentioned that the appearance of the facade will be consistent around the entire building. So, we’ve seen renderings of the north and east faces of the building, but the other sides of the building will look like that too. Apparently this is the developer's sixth version of the project, and it seems like a great deal of attention has been paid to the finer points: the sidewalks along Broadway and 8th will be widened, trees will be planted along the roadways, public amenity areas are planned at the corners of the development, and so on. This is very much being proposed as an improvement to the area.

The final hour of the meeting was a Q&A session. A lot of people commented in favour of the development, and I’m not sure that anyone was dead-set against it (at least, not in their questions/comments). Most of the questions revolved around traffic and parking. The developer noted that the project is not large enough to have required a traffic impact study, and that it is their contention that the development will not lead to significant traffic impacts to 7th street or the lane at the rear of the property. The development will involve closing the part of the existing lane that connects with 8th street. That section of the lane will be replaced by an entry/exit route that drivers can use to turn right off of, or onto, 8th street, and the idea is that that route will largely eliminate any need to cut through the neighborhood. With respect to parking, the 92 underground spots will be for residents of the building, while the 47 (?) above-ground spots will be for commercial tenants (which are hoped to include grocery and restaurant uses).

Um, what else..... Well, the developer mentioned that the lots on the corner of Broadway and 8th have been vacant for 30 years. With respect to their timeline, a lot of work needs to be done behind the scenes (approvals and permits, detailed plans, etc.), and construction is unlikely to begin in 2023. In the meantime, a transcribed version of the Q&A session will be posted on the city’s page for this proposal in the next month or so.

I left the meeting feeling pretty optimistic about its future. I think it’s exactly right for the corner and could be a model for other developments around the city. I’m keeping my fingers crossed for this one. Cynthia Block was at the meeting, and I hope she feels the same way.

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Since we do not have an active Downtown Arena thread yet...

Has anyone else noticed Star Phoenix Murray Mandryck's personal crusade to get the downtown arena project dumped??!! He has published a series of 'opinion pieces' against the project and more recently as been encouraging citizens to initiate a plebiscite to force the arena decision to a vote. This has also resulted in a series of 'letters to the editor' supporting his views. His reporting has not been very balanced.

I am all for everyone expressing their opinions freely, but perhaps those of us who may actually support this kind of development for our city need to be a bit more vocal. As always....those that oppose, always seem to be the more motivated to be heard.

I would encourage supporters on here to, at minimum, remind your city councilor of your support and maybe submit a letter to the editor of Star Phoenix to balance out the opinions! I have!!
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Old Posted Dec 12, 2022, 3:32 PM
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Wouldn't a plebiscite be the most democratic way to determine support for it?
Tough to argue that point. For similar major issues in the past, there have generally been well-organized oppositions. That's why we have Sasktel centre where it is, instead of downtown and why one has to go to Whitecap for the casino, as opposed to what is now the preferred Arena site.

Combined with people who don't often use a particular facility not wanting to see their tax money spent on it, history shows that it's unlikely for a downtown arena to get sufficient support in a plebiscite. While I don't disagree with holding a plebiscite on the Arena, those supporting a plebiscite should remember that there's no way there would be a new Central Library being built if that project needed majority public support. The same could likely be said for the art gallery. Where does one draw the line at allowing City Council to make these decisions?
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