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Old Posted Nov 22, 2022, 1:41 PM
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not impossible, but it would take a lot of money

The City is now finally spending more money on it, so it will slowly get better, but Hamilton isn't going to have roads the quality of Halton Region any time soon either short of some massive cash infusion.
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not impossible, but it would take a lot of money

The City is now finally spending more money on it, so it will slowly get better, but Hamilton isn't going to have roads the quality of Halton Region any time soon either short of some massive cash infusion.
Really glad the LRT got approved. That's a massive cash injection from the province and federal government to completely rebuild King/Main Street including underground infrastructure. Something the city never would have been able to do.
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Old Posted Nov 22, 2022, 3:23 PM
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the best thing that could happen for the city from another level of government would be for the province to upload the Linc and Red Hill Valley Parkway to be provincial highways, which they really should be anyway. That would take a massive financial liability off the city's hands and allow those tax dollars to maintain actual local roads.

Don't get me wrong, the LRT helps, but ultimately King St is just a small part of the city's road network.
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the best thing that could happen for the city from another level of government would be for the province to upload the Linc and Red Hill Valley Parkway to be provincial highways, which they really should be anyway. That would take a massive financial liability off the city's hands and allow those tax dollars to maintain actual local roads.

Don't get me wrong, the LRT helps, but ultimately King St is just a small part of the city's road network.
John Tory tried 4 years ago to make the Gardiner a toll highway. I'd love to see Tory and Horwath join forces and decide to make the Gardiner, Linc and RHVP all toll highways unless the Province takes on responsibility for them. The Province could of course say "screw you, no" like Wynne did to Tory, but it could put the Province in a position of political liability to enforce the status quo and not embrace one or the other strategy.
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I have no faith that Tory or Horvath would even go through with that. Thats basically political suicide given that their voter base is hugely suburban (Tory especially). Suburbanites really don't like the idea of losing their driving subsidy.
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Old Posted Nov 22, 2022, 8:03 PM
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I have no faith that Tory or Horvath would even go through with that. Thats basically political suicide given that their voter base is hugely suburban (Tory especially). Suburbanites really don't like the idea of losing their driving subsidy.
Tory actually discussed still being supportive of road tolls in the municipal election and the province shot him down on it again.

I don't see them being as politically supportable in Hamilton though. Not like Horwath exactly has a strong suburban voting base though, either.. Loomis dominated suburban votes.

Do expect the widening of the highways to be more of a political hot potato this term though - the EA is currently underway and there is significant rehabilitation work due towards the end of the decade which it will likely be tied to.
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The two-way converstion of Queen Street between Main and King will open today, Tuesday November 22 at noon.
It would be nice to see Queen go two-way all the way to Barton. Then we could get some north-south transit service, maybe to West Harbour. But they'd have to take out that newly-built curb extension at King St. I think that was designed before it was decided Main would go two-way. Cannon and Queen were planned to take the lion's share of westbound traffic around the core once King was rebuilt for LRT.
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It would be nice to see Queen go two-way all the way to Barton. Then we could get some north-south transit service, maybe to West Harbour. But they'd have to take out that newly-built curb extension at King St. I think that was designed before it was decided Main would go two-way. Cannon and Queen were planned to take the lion's share of westbound traffic around the core once King was rebuilt for LRT.
I don't think there's any good reason it can't be two-way in the near future. Especially if the studio plan really takes off at the northern end. There would be some reconfiguration needed at Cannon/York, but I don't think that would be prohibitive (mainly reducing the west-to-south left turn lanes from 2 to 1)
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I don't think there's any good reason it can't be two-way in the near future.)
True. Frankly, it could be done now. But you know the city will wait a bit, because it would look bad to redo the road on the north side of King after it was just altered. I could see it happening as part of the reconstruction of King when LRT is built through that stretch.
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True. Frankly, it could be done now. But you know the city will wait a bit, because it would look bad to redo the road on the north side of King after it was just altered.
All the construction on the adjacent blocks may be a good reason not to do it for a few years. What's proposed between Napier and Market may require a lane closure.
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I’m sure there’s lots of Hamiltonians who thought this day would never come. May 18 Virtual Public Meeting to provide an update and seek input on preliminary design concepts and to outline next steps for the Main Street Two-way Conversion project

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Is this a dream :o
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Do it. But repave the facker first. Please.

Driving across town on Main must be like traversing the Kashmir off-road.
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Old Posted May 4, 2023, 7:30 AM
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Do it. But repave the facker first. Please.

Driving across town on Main must be like traversing the Kashmir off-road.
I believe that’s the plan.
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Ive often wondered what it would be like to live in a third world country, or Hamilton circa 1800. Council is hell bent on making this happen.
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Draft two-way traffic designs for Hamilton’s Main Street now public

Plans would make room for westbound vehicle traffic on currently one-way Main — and maybe strategic bike lanes — for the first time since the 1950s

Matthew Van Dongen Spectator Reporter, May 11, 2023

Hamilton’s preferred plan to convert Main Street to two-way traffic includes a section of protected bike lanes and a potential green-space buffer in front of city hall.

But first, the city wants to hear what you prefer.

The city has posted “functional design” plans online in advance of a virtual public meeting May 18 between 6 and 8 p.m. about the two-way traffic conversion. The posted design is the city’s “technically preferred solution,” said transportation director Mike Field.

But he emphasized the plan could still change, based on resident and council feedback or even new information about traffic changes on parallel King Street — where a new design for the LRT line is also undergoing tweaks.

In addition to next Thursday’s virtual public meeting, individual ward town halls on the project are also expected in the coming weeks. “It’s a massively important project,” said Field. “We’re expecting to hear from residents about it.”

A year ago, council voted to convert collision-prone Main back to two-way vehicle traffic through the core for the first time since the 1950s. The historic vote came amid a record year for pedestrian fatalities — including four deaths on the Main corridor involving cars that jumped the curb.

The city has vowed to redesign the busy arterial — which until last year, was one of the widest one-ways in Canada — as a “complete street.” That means making space for road users other than cars and using strategic design to reduce the injury fallout from errors made by motorists, pedestrians or anyone else.

The ongoing study looks at one-way Main from Longwood Avenue in the west all the way to the Delta in the east.

Field said anyone who tunes in to the public meeting will also see examples of various lane configurations considered and explanations about anticipated future traffic volumes.

It’s not yet clear when work would begin to convert the one-way street, but Field said planners have pledged to bring a final recommended design and schedule to councillors to consider this summer.

Notable options showcased in the posted design drawings include:
  • Generally, the design allows at least two lanes of eastbound vehicle traffic, but in most cases only one in the westbound direction. From Dundurn Street to the downtown, it’s three eastbound lanes, primarily to accommodate heavy traffic volumes coming off the Highway 403 interchange, said Field.

The city also considered other lane configurations, like two car lanes in each direction. Field said traffic planners will have volume statistics and other information to explain the rationale for the preferred design at the meeting. Expect the King Street LRT design to factor into the equation.

  • The preferred design keeps one-way traffic flow — at least for now — from the Highway 403 off-ramp to the intersection of Main at Dundurn. Think of it a “part one” of an eventual conversion that stretches all the way west to Longwood Avenue, said Field. “We want to go all the way,” he said — but to do so, the city will need buy-in from the province to make changes to the one-way-oriented highway interchange.
  • The design shows optional “green boulevards” added strategically throughout the route, including one that would take up the current auto lane directly in front of city hall.
  • The city is pitching dedicated, protected bike lanes in both directions on Main between Victoria Avenue, which has a protected cycle track already, and Sherman Avenue.
  • The preferred design proposes street parking east of Sherman Avenue, including near Gage Park and beyond. That could be handy for area residents or businesses, said Field, but also serves the purpose of “traffic calming” by narrowing the historically wide, fast-moving corridor.

Matthew Van Dongen is a transportation and environment reporter at The Spectator. [email protected]

https://www.thespec.com/news/hamilton-region/2023/05/11/main-street-traffic.html
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Old Posted May 12, 2023, 12:16 PM
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https://engage.hamilton.ca/mainstreetconversion

Actual plans are through this link if people want to take a look.

Generally it's 1 lane westbound throughout, 3 lanes eastbound from the 403 to City Hall, then two lanes eastbound to the Delta. Bike lanes between Victoria and Sherman.

I'm generally fine with this, though I do think they should probably try to push the three lane eastbound stretch through to Victoria if they can, or even John St. The street is noticeably less busy east of that and can probably handle it, but cutting it to two lanes before even hitting John Street may be problematic.
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I am generally in support of this plan but...

I personally believe that having on-street parking on our main roads in the downtown core is ludicrous. Creating never ending traffic jams so that literally a handful of people can park and block a main drive lane when there is other parking options nearby is just plain stupid.
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I am generally in support of this plan but...

I personally believe that having on-street parking on our main roads in the downtown core is ludicrous. Creating never ending traffic jams so that literally a handful of people can park and block a main drive lane when there is other parking options nearby is just plain stupid.
Complete agreement. It's nuts that this road is nerfed so hard in some places where thousands of people move through per day (sometimes per hour) so that literally 20 or so people can park. It's crazy to think about 20 people affecting flow of tens of thousands of people.
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I wonder why they didn't include the LRT in the drawing at the Delta - I think this will function much differently than what is shown in the drawing.
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