Stadiums & Arenas of Canada, Part 3

[blueandgoldguy]

The process could be sped up if there was some private investment from the Saskatoon business community.

[Base]

Bit of a friendly race between Calgary, Ottawa, & Saskatoon on the large indoor arena build front. Not sure if there are any other projects being considered across the country?

[O-tacular]

Originally Posted by Base

Bit of a friendly race between Calgary, Ottawa, & Saskatoon on the large indoor arena build front. Not sure if there are any other projects being considered across the country?

At the current pace Calgary will come in last with the most mediocre project of the bunch. God I hate the Flames owners!

[Oilkountry]

4-5 years later all the same guys Hope everyones been well beleive it or not i spend about 2 hours reading through everything ive missed since 2018. few things i can add That i didnt see mentioned

Looks like rogers Arena will be replacing those god awful burgundy seats from the 1990's as these were spotted in the arena in the event level after it was mentioned the seats would be replaced "soon" im assuming this off season. I'm assuming most of the arena will be the general blue without the logo, Premiums with the logo and the black will serve the suites.

[Oilkountry]

Also didnt see this mentioned Canada Life Place will be seeing around 8000sqf of lower concourse space added as true north ended the lease with moxies

As True North looks forward to a multi-year concourse and event level renovation at Canada Life Centre, the Moxies space is integral to our north concourse expansion plans. We look forward to sharing more exciting details about this multi-year project and the new services, amenities and spaces that guests can look forward to at Canada Life Centre.

For those not too familer with Canada life centre moxies occupies the lower (main concourse level) of the north side of the arena and its a considerable amount of space, What interests me is Does true north utilize the patio for game days This could be a really special space. Also Notice they say north concourse and "event level". I'm assuming that means locker rooms ect?

[Oilkountry]

The Rogers Centre makeover is well underway.

Here’s what has been happening since the Blue Jays season ended:

������ Entire 500 Level & 100/200 Level Outfield seats being removed
������ 500 Level Outfield sections opened to concourse
������ 200 Level reshaping

#NextLevel #TBJLive

https://twitter.com/i/status/1588304208352219136

https://twitter.com/TBJLive/status/15882...pletely-unrecognizable-stadium-gutted%2F

https://twitter.com/i/status/1593326265804767232

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by Base

Bit of a friendly race between Calgary, Ottawa, & Saskatoon on the large indoor arena build front. Not sure if there are any other projects being considered across the country?

Amazing how Saskatoon could build its own NHL level stadium while Calgary continues to bicker with the NHL team on a funding model and Ottawa doesn't want anything to do with its NHL team's new arena outside of zoning, yet it's ready to spend $332 million to replace functional OHL ad CFL facilities (granted, those are City owned).

Originally Posted by Oilkountry

Also didnt see this mentioned Canada Life Place will be seeing around 8000sqf of lower concourse space added as true north ended the lease with moxies

For those not too familer with Canada life centre moxies occupies the lower (main concourse level) of the north side of the arena and its a considerable amount of space, What interests me is Does true north utilize the patio for game days This could be a really special space. Also Notice they say north concourse and "event level". I'm assuming that means locker rooms ect?

That's too bad. Having street facing restaurants and businesses around an arena maintains an active street-front outside of event hours.

I imagine Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver's stadium areas have been far more active since towers were built over the last decade.

[esquire]

Welcome back, Oilkountry!

Originally Posted by J.OT13

That's too bad. Having street facing restaurants and businesses around an arena maintains an active street-front outside of event hours.

I imagine Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver's stadium areas have been far more active since towers were built over the last decade.

It's not as bad as you think. When the arena opened in 2004, there weren't many street-facing restaurants in the area. Also, the concourse was somewhat oversized for the needs of the main tenant at the time (AHL hockey). So it made sense to use the north concourse for a casual dining restaurant (Moxie's) and the south end concourse was used as a Tim Horton's, of all things.

When the Jets came around, the Tim's was pushed out. Now at this point, the Moxie's is nearly 20 years old and in need of a refresh, but there are a bunch more restaurants like it that have popped up in the area. There are TNSE developments across the street on either side of the arena (Centrepoint to the north and True North Square to the south), both of which have their own newer restaurants. Not to mention other new restaurants/bars within a block or two of the arena like Shark Club, Met, Local, etc.

So it's understandable that TNSE might want to use the Moxie's space to relive the somewhat cramped (by NHL standards) concourses and add features that there isn't currently room for. It will definitely provide some extra elbow room on the main concourse and make a big difference in that area. They are also expanding the Jets Gear team shop which is also on the somewhat small side.

As for the "event level" space Oilkountry referred to, there is a partial concourse down there around the northern end of the rink, and a somewhat underused restaurant/dining space ("The Exchange") which AFAIK is only used for pre-event dining. The Exchange hasn't been touched since it was built and it looks really stale down there, the whole thing needs a refresh. There's a fair bit of space there which could definitely be put to better use.

[Base]

Originally Posted by Oilkountry

4-5 years later all the same guys Hope everyones been well beleive it or not i spend about 2 hours reading through everything ive missed since 2018. few things i can add That i didnt see mentioned

Looks like rogers Arena will be replacing those god awful burgundy seats from the 1990's as these were spotted in the arena in the event level after it was mentioned the seats would be replaced "soon" im assuming this off season. I'm assuming most of the arena will be the general blue without the logo, Premiums with the logo and the black will serve the suites.

Nice looking seats. I had wondered when Rogers arena would get some love.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by esquire

Welcome back, Oilkountry!



It's not as bad as you think. When the arena opened in 2004, there weren't many street-facing restaurants in the area. Also, the concourse was somewhat oversized for the needs of the main tenant at the time (AHL hockey). So it made sense to use the north concourse for a casual dining restaurant (Moxie's) and the south end concourse was used as a Tim Horton's, of all things.

When the Jets came around, the Tim's was pushed out. Now at this point, the Moxie's is nearly 20 years old and in need of a refresh, but there are a bunch more restaurants like it that have popped up in the area. There are TNSE developments across the street on either side of the arena (Centrepoint to the north and True North Square to the south), both of which have their own newer restaurants. Not to mention other new restaurants/bars within a block or two of the arena like Shark Club, Met, Local, etc.

So it's understandable that TNSE might want to use the Moxie's space to relive the somewhat cramped (by NHL standards) concourses and add features that there isn't currently room for. It will definitely provide some extra elbow room on the main concourse and make a big difference in that area. They are also expanding the Jets Gear team shop which is also on the somewhat small side.

As for the "event level" space Oilkountry referred to, there is a partial concourse down there around the northern end of the rink, and a somewhat underused restaurant/dining space ("The Exchange") which AFAIK is only used for pre-event dining. The Exchange hasn't been touched since it was built and it looks really stale down there, the whole thing needs a refresh. There's a fair bit of space there which could definitely be put to better use.

Fair enough. At least the Jets Gear store will be expanded, so that's still provides a retail-front. Closing down Moxies also means a wider sidewalk, which no doubt will make a difference on game days.

Side note; Google really needs to update its Winnipeg imagery!

[phone]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Side note; Google really needs to update its Winnipeg imagery!

Google's imagery is getting dated in a lot of places. Mostly its aerial imagery. I imagine that has to do with the cost of obtaining the LIDAR mapping it uses for the 3D modelling, and not wanting to take on that cost any more than required.

[esquire]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

Fair enough. At least the Jets Gear store will be expanded, so that's still provides a retail-front. Closing down Moxies also means a wider sidewalk, which no doubt will make a difference on game days.

The sidewalk around the Moxie's patio was never a serious bottleneck or anything like that, but it will be better not having it there anymore. It was never a heavily used patio the way that some downtown patios are.

[Dalreg]

Can I ask what the last three or pages of dribble have to do with stadiums and arenas?

[Oilkountry]

You guys still acting like there is no issue as they played the greycup in front of 10,000 empty seats in the most football crazed city in canada last night



Every "solution" mentioned above is not going to get NFL crazed 25 year old's to show interest in a league they don't even understand. This is the issue! 55+ year old commissioner and BOG pandering to 55+ year old fans that want to keep the league the exact same and expect different results. It will be the demise of it all. The last thing the CFL should be worried about is what any of you guys want, It's my generation (35 and under) and the generation after me that they should be prioritizing, And if that means 4 down football over No football then so be it. That's just my opinion.

The change of ball size to the American standard because players were more accustomed to it tore it for me.

exactly what i mean. "Keep it the same at all costs" additude is exactly why the CFL is disappearing into the danger zone

[Hackslack]

Originally Posted by Oilkountry

You guys still acting like there is no issue as they played the greycup in front of 10,000 empty seats in the most football crazed city in canada last night



Every "solution" mentioned above is not going to get NFL crazed 25 year old's to show interest in a league they don't even understand. This is the issue! 55+ year old commissioner and BOG pandering to 55+ year old fans that want to keep the league the exact same and expect different results. It will be the demise of it all. The last thing the CFL should be worried about is what any of you guys want, It's my generation (35 and under) and the generation after me that they should be prioritizing, And if that means 4 down football over No football then so be it. That's just my opinion.

exactly what i mean. "Keep it the same at all costs" additude is exactly why the CFL is disappearing into the danger zone

The New Jersey Devils despite having a franchise record setting start are only averaging 12k.

The Arizona coyotes despite playing in a 5k rink are averaging 4600

The Chicago Blackhawks despite being the 3rd largest metro in NA are only averaging 15k fans.

The Buffalo Sabres despite being just south of hockey crazed market of the GTA are averaging just 13k fans

…. I could go on…

NHL is in ruins. The league needs to figure their shit out or else the league will completely implode…..

That’s the logic, right?

[Oilkountry]

Originally Posted by Hackslack

The New Jersey Devils despite having a franchise record setting start are only averaging 12k.

The Arizona coyotes despite playing in a 5k rink are averaging 4600

The Chicago Blackhawks despite being the 3rd largest metro in NA are only averaging 15k fans.

The Buffalo Sabres despite being just south of hockey crazed market of the GTA are averaging just 13k fans

…. I could go on…

NHL is in ruins. The league needs to figure their shit out or else the league will completely implode…..

That’s the logic, right?

Come on hacks, I've made multiple points over and above attendance. Although the progressive decline in attendance is concerning its 1 of many issues in the league, But a comparison of the NHL vs CFL are 2 different animals.

[phone]

While I am enjoying this conversation, I nevertheless feel compelled to point out that there is a CFL thread not far away...

[J.OT13]

I have moved the CFL discussion to the CFL thread:

https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=249420&page=80

[Coldrsx]

I was in the stadium and there were quite a few 'empty' groupings of tickets, 10 here, 20 there, but the concourses were packed throughout the game as well.

Clearly some of the blocks were either not used or abandoned by the group. It was odd seeing those given that it was sold out and that it was not one of the big 3 (BC, Sky, Commonwealth), but it didn't really detract.

[Coldrsx]

A shot from our 'seats' aka Pil Zone from the other day (pre-game). What an awesome stadium!