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Old Posted Nov 15, 2022, 7:03 PM
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That wasn't necessary; I would guess that they meant the EV exemption from the multi-passenger HOV rules, not banning them altogether. I don't know if we're at that point yet, but eventually as the number of EVs increases, the efficiency of the HOV lane will diminish if EVs are still allowed to use them with only one occupant.
Klazu is anti-EV at all times. This is just the most recent in a string of rants.

I agree that the EV thing could go away at some time, we aren't there today.
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2022, 7:39 PM
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Klazu is anti-EV at all times. This is just the most recent in a string of rants...
Thanks for clarifying, sorry if I've misunderstood.
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2022, 8:43 PM
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Warren should really get out of his Nissan Leaf more often and smell the roses instead of being so bitter about his life all the time. It's a High Occupancy Lane aimed to encourage carpooling and reduce cars on the road. It needs to offer a clear advantage over single-occupancy vehicles, which is not the case on rush hour anymore, as it is nearly as congested as other lanes. Tesla drivers can tailgate people on the regular lanes just like everyone else.

But back on topic, bus-only lane through Massey Tunnel would be the most pointless thing ever as the lane would be used by one bus every 5-10 minutes at best. Completely pointless and only making it a bike lane would be more pointless.
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2022, 8:54 PM
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Warren should really get out of his Nissan Leaf more often and smell the roses instead of being so bitter about his life all the time.
Not a Leaf but you know that.

I do get out all the time. In fact I moved so that I don't have to commute in a car, I hated it when I did. Who's complaining here? You!

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It's a High Occupancy Lane aimed to encourage carpooling and reduce cars on the road. It needs to offer a clear advantage over single-occupancy vehicles, which is not the case on rush hour anymore, as it is nearly as congested as other lanes. Tesla drivers can tailgate people on the regular lanes just like everyone else.

But back on topic, bus-only lane through Massey Tunnel would be the most pointless thing ever as the lane would be used by one bus every 5-10 minutes at best. Completely pointless and only making it a bike lane would be more pointless.
So weird how you can make these arguments back to back. They are literally the same concept.

The government decided to allow EVs in the HOV lane to encourage their adoption and also because the HOV lanes were seeing limited use. Getting EVs out of the regular lanes you're forced to use actually helps you. Don't you see that?
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2022, 9:11 PM
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But back on topic, bus-only lane through Massey Tunnel would be the most pointless thing ever as the lane would be used by one bus every 5-10 minutes at best.
The GMT currently carries the 601 (2 buses per hour), 354 (4 buses per hour), 352 (2.4 buses per hour), 351 (4 buses per hour), 311 (3 buses per hour), and the bike bus (1 bus per hour). That adds up to 16.4 buses per hour, or a bus every 3 minutes and 45 seconds. Considering the projected population growth SoF and that the new crossing won't be complete for a number of years at which point the bus frequency will almost certainly be higher, I would say a dedicated bus lane makes a lot of sense.
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Old Posted Nov 15, 2022, 9:48 PM
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The GMT currently carries the 601 (2 buses per hour), 354 (4 buses per hour), 352 (2.4 buses per hour), 351 (4 buses per hour), 311 (3 buses per hour), and the bike bus (1 bus per hour). That adds up to 16.4 buses per hour, or a bus every 3 minutes and 45 seconds. Considering the projected population growth SoF and that the new crossing won't be complete for a number of years at which point the bus frequency will almost certainly be higher, I would say a dedicated bus lane makes a lot of sense.
It does make a RapidBus line more viable as well; drivers crawling through the tunnel might just notice bus after bus cruising on by at full speed.
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Old Posted Nov 16, 2022, 4:34 PM
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tunnel is what the NDP want. 84 lanes each way, 3 general + HOV. that means in at rush hour times there will be no expanded capacity as with the counter-flow lane that makes the rush-direction 3 general purpose lanes.

because the NDP changed the plan after previous bridge construction started, they have to 100% redesign and get new environmental approvals. this will probably be a challenge with the Fraser River since dredging across a river is much more impactful than 2 towers for a bridge. this tunnel design also removes more farming land than existing, where as the bridge gave back farming land to be used as a net-gain in farming land.

the BC Liberals have said they would restart the bridge plan if they get in. this previous bridge option is estimated to be approx. 1 billion cheaper, and would have been done in 2022 if on time. it also included about 30km of freeway upgrades with dedicated centre bus lanes & bus stops at key locations such as steveston hwy. the new tunnel plan does not include these things; instead going with shoulder bus lanes.

overall, the new tunnel plan is more expensive, will take 10+yrs longer, smaller, has less transit improvements, and has a negative impact on farm land.

the anti-highway crowd sees it as a victory, though i am not sure why. sure its 2 less lanes, but with all the downgrades in transit, farmland, the costs, the timeline, and probably ecological impacts, i really don't see how it is a "victory." but if you hate highways, i guess you can say "less lanes!. yay!"
Sounds like you work for the Liberal party. Until the original press release the MOT was working on a tunnel plan The bridge only had very early works started and no design or engineering or 3 P partners selected. I’m not sure how anyone can assume that there would be a net increase in farm land with a bridge. As the land under it is for utilitys, future upgrades and any soil that was fertile would loose its fertile layer. Not one infrastructure project he liberals started was close to being on time or budget so to assume that the bridge would be close to being finished is laughable. Considering the very complex geotechnical issues he sent why MOT was in the planning stages for a tunnel. Sr managers learned about the crossing on the news totally blindsided.
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Old Posted Nov 17, 2022, 12:16 AM
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The bridge would be pretty tall, so there would still be light under it and soil could be upgraded/brought in.

Here's a story about a rain garden project under Alex Fraser Bridge:

What’s Growing Under the Alex Fraser Bridge?
https://www.tranbc.ca/2013/09/13/whats-growing-under-the-alex-fraser-bridge/


https://www.tranbc.ca/2013/09/13/whats-growing-under-the-alex-fraser-bridge/
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Old Posted Nov 17, 2022, 6:22 PM
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Surprised nobody mentioned Kevin Falcon's cringeworthy "imaginary ribbon cutting" stunt for the Bridge they wanted as a tunnel replacement yesterday. All he needed was a loud plaid sportscoat and it would have been the 1970s all over again.
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Falcon, performing a mock ribbon-cutting for the bridge that was never built, promised that if the Liberals were elected in 2024, they would build the bridge if tunnel construction was not underway.

”They (the NDP) are going to be stuck in the environmental process for years because the other problem with the tunnel they want to build is that it will have massive environmental impacts on very sensitive sturgeon, salmon and all of the impacts on the Fraser River,” said Falcon.


Will they be beyond the "point of no return" of tunnel construction by October 2024?
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Old Posted Nov 17, 2022, 6:34 PM
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Will they be beyond the "point of no return" of tunnel construction by October 2024?
Not likely, they are mostly doing studies. The tunnel isn't set to open until 2030. Construction is likely in 2025 at the earliest.
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City of Delta protests missing River Road overpass in Massey Tunnel replacement
https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news...ad-overpass-in-massey-tunnel-replacement
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Old Posted Jan 11, 2023, 2:31 AM
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Saw that on the news and didn't remember that either the bridge or original tunnel proposal would have included and overpass or underpass at River Road.
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Old Posted Jan 11, 2023, 3:00 AM
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Connecting River Road would be trivial to do under a bridge approach, I think that's all that was ever suggested. I also don't remember any talk of an overpass.
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Old Posted Jan 11, 2023, 3:12 AM
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Doesn't look like it was part of the bridge project either, but there was a right-of-way:

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Now for the interesting stuff.

Here are close ups of the Steveston Hwy interchange, south end of the bridge and Hwy 17A interchange showing the bus stations and pedestrian and bike access ramps.
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All from:
https://engage.gov.bc.ca/masseytunnel/files/2016/06/ALC-Application-Sections-1-3.pdf

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Ped/Bike ramps to River Road
(note ped/bike paths on both sides of the bridge):


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Old Posted Jan 11, 2023, 3:28 AM
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Page 10 here shows a theoretical connection under a 10 lane bridge design.

https://www.highway99tunnel.ca/app/uploa...en-cowi_renderings_rev0b_28-nov-2019.pdf
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Old Posted Jan 11, 2023, 3:46 AM
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Oct 2024 provincial election. Back to bridge?
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Old Posted Jan 11, 2023, 4:21 AM
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Eby would need to really screw up to loose the next election...
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Old Posted Feb 6, 2023, 8:25 PM
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It only took the province 3 months to update their website.
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Old Posted Feb 16, 2023, 8:21 PM
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…at Delta council’s Feb. 13 meeting during a presentation by the Ministry of Transportation & Infrastructure & Transportation Investment Corporation.

Executive director Peter Argast said that while an overpass connecting River Road is not within the current scope, the province may be willing to consider the addition once the government has an idea of how much federal funding will be made available.
https://www.delta-optimist.com/local-new...overpass-with-tunnel-replacement-6557420
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