2022 Municipal Election - Page 8

StEC · #**141** Posted **Oct 25, 2022, 3:06 AM**

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Pleasantly surprised by the win of Alex Wilson in ward 13! Looking forward to seeing how all these new faces and talents move the city forward.

Also great news!

TheRitsman · #**142** Posted **Oct 25, 2022, 3:22 AM**

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Really surprised by the Kroetsch victory. Hats off to him and his disciplined campaign. Really hoping he doesn't let the encampment issue fester, we really don't need that again. But I don't have high expectations considering his activist history.

Looking like a Horwath victory. Not too surprised there. Let's hope her poor relationship with the premier doesn't hurt Hamilton.

Maybe instead of Farr's whack-a-mole chasing homeless people from park to park wasting time and resources, Kreotsch will actually support them and house them, as he said he plans to.

TheHonestMaple · #**143** Posted **Oct 25, 2022, 3:46 AM**

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Maybe instead of Farr's whack-a-mole chasing homeless people from park to park wasting time and resources, Kreotsch will actually support them and house them, as he said he plans to.

With what money? Cameron's in for a wild surprise when he finds out money doesn't grow on trees, and laws have to be followed.

matt602 · #**144** Posted **Oct 25, 2022, 4:14 AM**

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With what money? Cameron's in for a wild surprise when he finds out money doesn't grow on trees, and laws have to be followed.

The police budget doesn't grow on trees either but that didn't stop Farr.

Overally really happy with the results tonight, so many incumbents have been tossed out. Probably the freshest, youngest council this city has seen in decades and its about time.

RaginRonic · #**145** Posted **Oct 25, 2022, 4:26 AM**

The winners' list of the 2022 Municipal Election is as follows, with incumbency mentioned in brackets for a bit of clarity.

Mayor-Andrea Horwath

Ward 1-Maureen Wilson (2018 Incumbent)
Ward 2-Cameron Kroetsch
Ward 3-Nrinder Nann (2018 Incumbent)
Ward 4-Tammy Hwang
Ward 5-Matt Francis
Ward 6-Tom Jackson (2000 Incumbent)
Ward 7-Esther Pauls (2018 Incumbent)
Ward 8-John-Paul Danko (2018 Incumbent)
Ward 9-Brad Clark (2018 Incumbent)
Ward 10-Jeff Beattie
Ward 11-Mark Tadeson
Ward 12-Craig Cassar
Ward 13-Alex Wilson
Ward 14-Mike Spadafora
Ward 15-Ted McMeekin

10 of the 16 council seats have new occupants, and only 1 long-time councillor remains on a Horseshoe that's looking a lot newer than that chamber has in a while.

o.o

Corktowner · #**146** Posted **Oct 25, 2022, 9:48 AM**

Just a small correction to Ritsman’s helpful overview: Tom Jackson has actually been the ward 6 incumbent since 1988. At least one of the new councillors wasn’t even born when he was first elected!

On another note, the results in wards 4 and 14 are so ridiculous. How much of a mandate does someone have if they “won” their seat with 22 per cent of the vote? We really need ranked ballots in municipal elections.

Innsertnamehere · #**147** Posted **Oct 25, 2022, 10:34 AM**

Horwath winning, what a close race that was. Let’s see how she governs with actual power now, especially considering the PCs are expected to announce expanded strong mayors powers today, including Hamilton.

I’m curious to see how she leads.

Generally a shockingly new council for a midsized municipality. Council is going to be a very, very different place.

StEC · #**148** Posted **Oct 25, 2022, 12:16 PM**

The election went almost exactly the way I wanted with the exception of the mayors seat and also wishfully wanting to see Brad Clark tossed out on his ass, that guy was an arrogant combative loser on camera for so many city hall discussions. Also bummed Kojo didn't get his seat, that was another close race.

Overall this is a great day for Hamilton, we have lots of fresh competent & compassionate faces in city hall for a change!

Fruitloops · #**149** Posted **Oct 25, 2022, 1:19 PM**

I thought this was a skyscraper forum not a rant about personal political views.

Perhaps the politics can be moved to its own spot and those interested can have at it.

The loudest voice in the room not usually the correct one.

Innsertnamehere · #**150** Posted **Oct 25, 2022, 1:21 PM**

I mean this is very clearly a political thread, it's not like the discussion is happening in a project thread. If you don't like politics maybe don't click on a politics thread?

Crapht · #**151** Posted **Oct 25, 2022, 1:34 PM**

Weird flex. ��

TheHonestMaple · #**152** Posted **Oct 25, 2022, 1:46 PM**

So glad Kojo lost. That guy would have been a disaster for council.

TheRitsman · #**153** Posted **Oct 25, 2022, 2:05 PM**

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With what money? Cameron's in for a wild surprise when he finds out money doesn't grow on trees, and laws have to be followed.

Cameron has probably a better idea of city finances than you or I, and especially Farr do. Cameron is the kind of nerd that has likely combed through the budget lines numerous times to understand where things are going wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if he has plans ready to go. If you speak to Cameron, it's very clear he's not just "some progressive". He has well thought out opinions and plans. He seeks counsel when he recognizes he doesn't understand a topic in enough detail. I know this because he has reached out to me numerous times on items I am familiar with but he is less so. He has done so with other community members and professionals as well. Cameron is not here to govern, he is here to lead, and he will put the community first.

TheHonestMaple · #**154** Posted **Oct 25, 2022, 2:10 PM**

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Cameron has probably a better idea of city finances than you or I, and especially Farr do. Cameron is the kind of nerd that has likely combed through the budget lines numerous times to understand where things are going wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if he has plans ready to go. If you speak to Cameron, it's very clear he's not just "some progressive". He has well thought out opinions and plans. He seeks counsel when he recognizes he doesn't understand a topic in enough detail. I know this because he has reached out to me numerous times on items I am familiar with but he is less so. He has done so with other community members and professionals as well. Cameron is not here to govern, he is here to lead, and he will put the community first.

I hope you're right. I was a single issue voter to be honest, the encampments. I didn't like what I saw in my neighbourhood all last year (drug addicts injecting in parks, needles left on the ground, violence, fires, sex in the open, you name it). I just hope Cameron takes those issues seriously, and makes sure it never happens again. Personally I don't think you can just put drug addicts in 'affordable housing' and hope the problem goes away, because time and time again that has been shown not to work. Strict enforcement of the bylaws pretty much eliminated all of the above mentioned issues. I hope that doesn't all get torn down.

But I wish him the best of luck in his new position, and I hope we can achieve a better Hamilton in the next four years.

TheRitsman · #**155** Posted **Oct 25, 2022, 2:44 PM**

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I hope you're right. I was a single issue voter to be honest, the encampments. I didn't like what I saw in my neighbourhood all last year (drug addicts injecting in parks, needles left on the ground, violence, fires, sex in the open, you name it). I just hope Cameron takes those issues seriously, and makes sure it never happens again. Personally I don't think you can just put drug addicts in 'affordable housing' and hope the problem goes away, because time and time again that has been shown not to work. Strict enforcement of the bylaws pretty much eliminated all of the above mentioned issues. I hope that doesn't all get torn down.

But I wish him the best of luck in his new position, and I hope we can achieve a better Hamilton in the next four years.

Believe me, Cameron doesn't think putting drug addicts in affordable housing will make the problem go away. They continue to need wrap around supports that respect and acknowledge them.

But Farr's chasing them around the city sure as shit won't help. Drug addicts aren't children. If you play tag with them, they won't eventually give up and get a job. Strict enforcement of camping by-laws did not fix anything, it just pushed them into different spots you didn't see. Forest trails, parks of other communities in Hamilton rather than yours or the ones you regular. The number of homeless living on the street didn't decrease with whack-a-mole. Which I think is a perfect analogy for Farr's failure. You ever notice in the whack-a-mole game the mole continues to come up through a different hole nom matter how many times you try to hit it? Whack-a-mole is a terrible policy.

Cameron can't solve homelessness, but he will be resting on the expert analysis of how homelessness has been reduced and improved in other communities like ours. I have a lot of respect for an approach that relies on experts, analysis and copying the good work of others rather than emotional responses to a thing many people find themselves disgusted at.

TheHonestMaple · #**156** Posted **Oct 25, 2022, 2:58 PM**

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it just pushed them into different spots you didn't see. Forest trails, parks of other communities in Hamilton rather than yours or the ones you regular. The number of homeless living on the street didn't decrease with whack-a-mole.

Simply not true. I encourage you to read Farr's official response "Encampments: The Whole Story".

He did not just simply kick people out of parks pushing them into the surrounding forests. He set up a task force that did not remove anyone from a park until they were offered adequate shelter and other social services. What you're listing off is straight up lies, disparaging Farr. Farr's approach was by far the most compassionate way of dealing with the issues, while also making sure that our parks stayed clean and safe.

Innsertnamehere · #**157** Posted **Oct 25, 2022, 4:42 PM**

The Ottawa CMA didn't pass the Hamilton CMA for population until 1982 or so.. so yea, old Hamilton is much denser than old Ottawa, particularly since it was a larger metro even during the 1960's / 1970's apartment boom.

Calgary looks dense with all it's highrises, but they are mostly office buildings. The daytime population downtown is clearly a lot larger than Hamilton, but the residential population is almost non-existent north of the rail corridor.

ShavedParmesanCheese · #**158** Posted **Oct 25, 2022, 5:20 PM**

It's important to remember the disparity of age between those cities as well. Hamilton was established about 200 years ago, and incorporated decades before Ottawa or most cities out west were really established. That, and the explosive growth of the city in the 19th century - when those aforementioned cities were being established - results in a longer-established city all around, with a reflective housing stock.

TheHonestMaple · #**159** Posted **Oct 25, 2022, 5:23 PM**

I think you guys are in the wrong thread

This is supposed to be the angry political one

TheRitsman · #**160** Posted **Oct 25, 2022, 6:15 PM**

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Simply not true. I encourage you to read Farr's official response "Encampments: The Whole Story".

He did not just simply kick people out of parks pushing them into the surrounding forests. He set up a task force that did not remove anyone from a park until they were offered adequate shelter and other social services. What you're listing off is straight up lies, disparaging Farr. Farr's approach was by far the most compassionate way of dealing with the issues, while also making sure that our parks stayed clean and safe.

The options for these folks were packed homeless shelters filled with COVID, drugs and violence or the park. I know what I would choose, and I'm not homeless.

I'd suggest sleeping in a shelter for a night if you think that's a good option for literally anyone.