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View Poll Results: Who are you voting for in the 2026 Winnipeg mayoral election?
Scott Gillingham 13 92.86%
Kevin Klein 0 0%
Michael Vogiatzakis 0 0%
Other 1 7.14%
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OMG...you are right! Silly me.
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i agree...in the end Murray is a dyed in the wool urbanist and despite a terrible campaign, that holds a lot of weight with me....i dont pay too much attention to promises...elections are not like taking a trip to the candy store and you pick the promises you think will taste the best....its about getting to know who the candidates are and how they will approach issues as they arise....gillingham is a nice guy but he is a conservative and a suburbanite....like Bowman, that will eventually shine through no matter what he says on the campaign trail.

I still think murray will win, but it will much closer than it could have been with a inspirational campaign.
As much as it pains me to say this, I'll take a conservative suburbanite with a realistic and attainable funding plan (raise property taxes and frontage levy) to actually make the promised changes over a "dyed in the wool urbanist" who has no realistic financial plan to achieve his goals, no matter how noble and "urbanist" they may be.

Murray put all his eggs in one risky basket by promising to freeze taxes and instead beg the province for 1% of the PST, which is extremely unlikely to ever happen. If I were Stephanson, I sure wouldn't be trying to do Murray's dirty work for him and instead tell him he needs to tax his own base more adequately before coming to me to beg for more.

At least Gillingham has a reasonable approach to municipal finances by being realistic. Like it or not, Winnipeggers are under-taxed at the property level and the onus needs to be on municipal leadership to fix that if we want to address all the issues bubbling to the surface, not rely on flaky provincial governments for more handouts.

I can't in good conscious vote for someone who is deliberately misleading the public - Murry knows the PST gambit is a lost cause, so once he is elected and reality sets in, what will he do to achieve his urbanist vision while freezing taxes? It is my understanding that the roads program still needs an additional 4 to 6 years of 2% increases to become a sustainable funding source for the exisiting road network, so axing that will lead to accelerated road decay, pushing our problems into the future. And that doesn't even address the myriad of other municipal issues we need to fix, ranging from transit to safety to homelessness.

If Murray was a true progressive, he would have followed everyone else and committed to 3%+ tax increases, promise to re-visit development charges, and commit to work closer with the province to explore more sustainable funding sources. Instead his campaign hinges on a pipe dream that will most likely never work out, which leaves Winnipeggers in a worse spot (complete inaction for 4 years) compared to voting for a "conservative suburbanite" who has an actual plan that will at the very least address some outstanding issues. Something is better than nothing in my view.
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As much as it pains me to say this, I'll take a conservative suburbanite with a realistic and attainable funding plan (raise property taxes and frontage levy) to actually make the promised changes over a "dyed in the wool urbanist" who has no realistic financial plan to achieve his goals, no matter how noble and "urbanist" they may be.

Murray put all his eggs in one risky basket by promising to freeze taxes and instead beg the province for 1% of the PST, which is extremely unlikely to ever happen. If I were Stephanson, I sure wouldn't be trying to do Murray's dirty work for him and instead tell him he needs to tax his own base more adequately before coming to me to beg for more.

At least Gillingham has a reasonable approach to municipal finances by being realistic. Like it or not, Winnipeggers are under-taxed at the property level and the onus needs to be on municipal leadership to fix that if we want to address all the issues bubbling to the surface, not rely on flaky provincial governments for more handouts.

I can't in good conscious vote for someone who is deliberately misleading the public - Murry knows the PST gambit is a lost cause, so once he is elected and reality sets in, what will he do to achieve his urbanist vision while freezing taxes? It is my understanding that the roads program still needs an additional 4 to 6 years of 2% increases to become a sustainable funding source for the exisiting road network, so axing that will lead to accelerated road decay, pushing our problems into the future. And that doesn't even address the myriad of other municipal issues we need to fix, ranging from transit to safety to homelessness.

If Murray was a true progressive, he would have followed everyone else and committed to 3%+ tax increases, promise to re-visit development charges, and commit to work closer with the province to explore more sustainable funding sources. Instead his campaign hinges on a pipe dream that will most likely never work out, which leaves Winnipeggers in a worse spot (complete inaction for 4 years) compared to voting for a "conservative suburbanite" who has an actual plan that will at the very least address some outstanding issues. Something is better than nothing in my view.
Exactly I am of the exact same mindset right now rather get a few tangible things completed than the pie in the sky nothingness and promises to everyone that is unachievable of what Murray is offering.
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Gillingham proposing redevelopment of Graham Avenue and adding affordable housing to portage place.
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I suspect many Winnipeggers who were originally supportive of Murray feel the same. Not entirely unreasonable. I just worry that with a suburban conservative who wants to widen roads and fill potholes, Winnipeg’s decline will only accelerate as other Canadian cities that are more sophisticated planning-wise make strides in their inner cities. Their gain is our loss. Cities compete with each other, and Winnipeg strikes me as being deeply uncompetitive right now.
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Gillingham wants to build Chief Peguis and Kenaston. Those haven't gone anywhere because the funding was not approved, from what it seems.

Redeveloping Graham is a default outcome of the new transit plan. Graham is somewhat abandoned as a major transit mall.

Affordable housing in PP, be still my heart.

So not really anything earth shattering from Gill. No real plans besides taxes going up. The PST thing from Murray is silly.
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Gillingham's big promises (widen Kenaston/extend Chief Peguis) obviously rely on other levels of government for funding partnerships but at least there is a history and precedent for those types of funding arrangements to actually happen making these promises somewhat achievable although dependent on others.

Murray's big promises (are there actually any tangible deliverables for his promises) rely completely on a funding model that has no precedent (Province give me 1% of the PST please and thank you) and therefore gives me zero confidence of it actually happening.

In addition to that, Gillingham has other tangible deliverables in his plan that are costed and have an actual funding basis (increase prop tax/frontage levy). Now people can either agree or disagree with the tax increase, but at least there is a black and white plan to increase revenue to pay for promises.

I may be wrong, but I don't believe Murray has costed anything at all and has actually promised to freeze taxes which amounts to a tax cut when you take inflation and city cost increases (labour, fuel, etc...) into consideration. It's one thing to have dreams and great vision, but if you literally have no plan to pay for anything and in fact end up with less money to spend than when you started, that plan isn't worth the napkin it was obviously written on.
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I listened to about ten minutes of last night's debate and within that time Gillingham said no to rapid transit and no to safe injection sites.
Just wanted to correct you but Gillingham said yes to rapid transit, and only Klein said no.

Anyways, I have mixed feelings about Gillingham. He is clearly the safe candidate who provides a realistic possibility of getting our cities finances back in check. And for the people who go on about him being a suburban councillor he still states on his platform, "Scott’s Building a Stronger Winnipeg Plan ensures that residential neighborhoods in the inner and outer suburbs will see improvements in City policy and investment. However, Downtown is also a critical focal point for Winnipeg’s economy, generating much more tax revenue per hectare than suburban neighborhoods and business parks. Jobs are concentrated downtown, as are critical social and services."

Clearly he understands that Downtown is the most important part of the city. Although, he didn't really elaborate much on how he plans to actually increase the downtown population besides an "affordable housing" plan for Portage Place which seems like a tax break for developers. And office-residential conversion was his other point, but we don't have much corporate office space anyways so it also won't provide a huge increase to our DT's population. That's a negative for me.

I also like his housing plan in regards to targeting underused commercial sites and to incite development around our large retail nodes. This is long overdue and the idea of not having parking minimums on C2 and C3 lots on Portage and Pembina is not bad. I just wish that policy would be city wide instead.

My main concern with Gillingham is that what would essentially be a 6% annual increase in property taxes because of the frontage levy fees is going to be primarily used to widening and extending roads when we can't pay for the existing roads.

In terms of route 90 why have none of the candidates even considered the possibility of widening it with RAPID TRANSIT? If candidates like Gillingham are going with the rapid transit plan, then there's clearly a connection to be made on route 90 from Grant too Portage that could generate tons of ridership and actually alleviate traffic congestion for this so called "trade route" so that the commercial vehicles can effectively move and residents can bypass traffic. In fact extend it to the Outlet Mall and imagine the amount of ridership that could be generated from our 2 most prominent shopping centres. In fact I would go one step further and believe the Federal government will only provide funding with the caveat of some form of rapid transit.

Also, an additional funding of $13 million for active transportation over a 4 year period is a slap in the face too people who want to stop being dependent on cars and in terms of providing more equity for lower income residents who can't afford a car. Again with such a huge increase in property taxes we MUST start investing much more in infrastructure that is cost effective and requires far less maintenance then a roadway. That number should be closer to $13 million per year.

So while I won't be voting for Gillingham, I'll be disappointed but not extremely disappointed should we elect him as our next mayor. It just feels like more of the same we got from Bowman but he might have more balls to implement his policies.
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To me Gillingham is a safe red tory consensus builder type mayor. He would likely be similar to the Bill Norrie years in the 80s who also got some major projects done. Getting support from aboriginal leaders like Denis Meeches and someone like Lloyd Axworthy to me shows he would likely do well negotiating with the province feds and aboriginal groups which is imperative.
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What does that mean. Gillingham going with rapid transit? That he supports the latest transit master plan? That's the path forward for all candidates. That shouldn't even be a thing. It's been accepted by the City, hasn't it? (serious questions, not trying to be an 🞵🞵🞵).

There's a certain section of my Twitter feed who swoon over Gillingham and basically 🞵🞵🞵🞵 on everyone else, especially Murray and the smear campaign against him. Which he does bring on himself for all the reasons talked about on here. Gillingham ran a Conservative type election campaign from what I could see. Posting on social media, much like the "But Trudeau!!!" or "But her emails!!" type. Except it's "BUT MURRAY!! HE QUIT!" That's what I hear from people who are against Murray, that he quit his job decades ago.

I think the biggest oopsy for Murray is the 1% PST. Otherwise Gillingham doesn't really stand out against him for me.
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Lol we must have similar Twitter feeds Bomberjet.

Well said thebasketballgeek, I certainly won’t feel like the sky is falling if we elect Gillingham, though I’ll be pretty concerned for the future of Winnipeg. I suspect at the end of his term the City’s inner city will likely be pretty similar to how it is now.
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To me property tax freeze is ridiculous and would be devastating for the city.
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/murray-pembina-complaints-emails-1.6622394

Mayoral candidate Glen Murray tried to find out who made complaints when he led think-tank, emails suggest

Correspondence appears to contradict claim he wasn't made aware of complaints about him at Pembina Institute

Winnipeg mayoral candidate Glen Murray tried to find out who made anonymous bullying complaints about him when he led the Pembina Institute, according to emails obtained by CBC News.

The internal Pembina correspondence CBC obtained also reveals the environmental organization's ombuds director — whose job entailed fielding employee complaints — quit Pembina after accusing Murray of undermining her independence.

The emails appear to contradict Murray's claim he was never made aware of complaints about him during the year he ran the Pembina Institute and that the institute had a system in place to ensure anonymous complaints made their way to the board.

Murray's mayoral campaign stated Thursday the candidate had no knowledge of any complaints against him and noted the chair of Pembina's board said the institute's management did not bring complaints to Murray's attention.

Murray, who was Winnipeg's mayor from 1998 to 2004, worked mostly from Toronto as the executive director of the Alberta-based Pembina Institute from September 2017 to September 2018.

He opted to resign after being handed a termination notice by Pembina board chair David Runnalls, according to correspondence obtained by CBC in September.

A CBC News investigation published last month revealed Murray's year at what he called his "dream job" was mired by what former Pembina employees described as chaotic management, as well as allegations he drank to excess at company functions, engaged in 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 innuendo in workplace settings and rubbed himself up against one employee on the dance floor at a company social function in Banff.

CBC INVESTIGATESWinnipeg mayoral candidate Glen Murray's time at 'dream job' mired by harassment, poor management allegations
Murray has repeatedly denied the grinding allegation but has not commented on the 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 innuendo allegations. He also denied the alcohol consumption allegations when asked about them on Oct. 3 by the Winnipeg Free Press.

At a Sept. 29 news conference following CBC's initial report, Murray apologized to Pembina staff for allowing his personal life to affect his work.

He then retracted that statement at a mayoral forum on Oct. 5, saying "I don't bring my problems to work."

At an Oct. 7 news conference, he said that his initial written and spoken statement was issued in error.

Mayoral candidate Glen Murray says he has experienced crisis but does not bring personal problems to work
Winnipeg mayoral candidate Glen Murray denies harassment claims as complainant stands by allegations
Murray has repeatedly stated Pembina's board and leaders never made him aware of harassment complaints.

In a one-on-one interview with CBC News on Oct. 11, he also said he was not made aware of any complaints of any sort.

"There is a respectful workplace policy [at Pembina] which I have respected that allows people to make anonymous complaints at any time that don't go to the executive director. They go to the board," Murray told CBC's Marcy Markusa.

"Not one single complaint was ever filed with me in what is a well-used system — and not just about any kind of harassment. None at all."

Emails obtained by CBC News and interviews with Toronto staff call into question Pembina's ability to process complaints made by staff about Murray when he served as the organization's executive director.

'Kept ... looking at me for a confession': employee email
Pembina emails suggest Murray tried to discern the source of two bullying allegations made about him during the fall of 2017, two months after he joined the organization.

"Glen has approached me several times today about two individuals that have gone behind his back and talked against him to the board about bullying, etc.," a Pembina finance official told then chair Runnalls in an email dated Nov. 14, 2017.

"He kept bringing the conversation back to these two passive aggressive individuals and looking at me for a confession which I did not volunteer."

That finance official did not respond to requests for comment from CBC.

According to emails obtained by CBC News, one of the two bullying complaints about Murray was logged by Pembina's ombuds director, Penelope Comette, on Nov. 1, 2017.

An email from the complainant was also sent to eight Pembina board members, including board chair Runnalls, on Nov. 14, 2017.

In that email, the complainant expressed "concerns about Pembina's future" and alleged a breach of confidentiality and unprofessional behaviour.

"I personally have been subject to his offensive language … and I have witnessed it with other staff. I am deeply insulted and offended by his foul language and his 'jokes,'" said the former employee, who left the organization two months after Murray became executive director.

"I would have loved to be part of this new chapter at Pembina. Unfortunately, it is not possible, but I want to see Pembina prosper."

The former Pembina employee who made this complaint declined comment, saying their current employer did not authorize an interview.

It is not clear what happened to the complaint after it was logged and sent to Pembina board members.

In a statement issued Thursday, Murray's mayoral campaign pointed to an excerpt from a Sept. 27 letter authored by his lawyer in response to previous questions about Murray's time at the Pembina Institute.

"To Mr. Murray's knowledge, no one ever filed a complaint against him," Bailey Harris said in that letter.

"Mr. Murray's representatives reviewed these allegations with Mr. David Runnalls, the former Chair of Board of the Pembina Institute during Mr. Murray's tenure. We are advised that the former Board Chair unequivocally said that the senior management team never brought forward any complaints of this nature against Mr. Murray."

Belittled for picking up child from daycare: employee
Former Pembina employee Nithya Vijayakumar, who was a transportation advisor based in the organization's Toronto office, told CBC News she complained about Murray to ombuds director Comette.

Vijayakumar said Murray belittled her commitment to her job during a meet-and-greet event with three employees from ERA Architects Inc. on Nov. 2, 2017.

"He was talking about how he made the switch to his new role at Pembina and how it was a passion project of his and he was dedicated to working — in contrast to me, who leaves work early to pick up my kids from daycare," Vijayakumar said in a telephone interview.

"I wasn't aware that people were looking down on me for that, and as a new parent, I was already insecure about the work-life balance and how much time I was giving to either my kid and family or work."

Vijayakumar said she complained to Comette about what she described as a dig.

mails obtained by CBC News show Comette logged a complaint about this topic on Nov. 3, 2017. It is not clear what happened to the complaint after that.

"There was clearly not an established process for getting complaints from staff to the board," Vijayakumar said.

Emails obtained by CBC News show at least one board member repeatedly asked for Pembina human-resources reports to be added to board meeting agendas after they were not included.

Vijayakumar quit the Pembina Institute in February 2018, five months after Murray joined the organization.

Murray's campaign said to his knowledge, no one ever filed a complaint against him.

Independence undermined, ombuds director claimed
According to emails obtained by CBC News, Comette accused Murray of undermining her independence before she quit the organization.

In November 2017, the ombuds director asked Murray to hire more human resources staff but he resisted that effort, according to the emails.

"In a small organization like Pembina the focus should be on developing a healthy work culture first and figuring out what role HR plays in that second," Murray wrote in an email dated Nov. 27, 2017.

Three months later, Comette initiated a severance discussion, according to communications obtained by CBC.

In an email dated Feb. 24, 2018, she complained Murray told her not to communicate with staff, obstructed her ability to report to the board of directors and ultimately changed her role with the organization.

"My role, reporting structure and title have changed. I do not accept these changes," Comette wrote in the email.

"The Director of the Ombuds Office holds a unique role that requires significant independence," she continued.

"In all organizations (and governments) the Ombudsperson runs the risk of being obstructed and/or marginalized by senior leaders. This has been the case at Pembina."

Comette declined CBC's request for comment, stating she is unable to do so.

Murray's campaign was asked to comment on Comette's claim she was undermined but did not address it.

Murray resisted whistleblower training: emails
In March 2018, Murray pushed back against a Pembina board directive to provide whistleblower training to employees.

"We have so many critical priorities I am at a loss to understand why this is time sensitive and staff who have heard of this don't understand what issue this is trying to address and why this is a priority for our board?" Murray wrote in an email to a board member on March 16, 2018.

"They are asking who are we supposed to be blowing a whistle on?"

The board persisted. In March 2018, Pembina's board asked Murray to hire an external contractor to handle ombuds office duties on behalf of the institute, according to emails obtained by CBC News.

In June, Murray was told again to make this happen.

"Three months is ridiculous. I hope the discussion today reinforced the responsibility!" one board member told another in an email dated June 7, 2018.

Murray told board members he hired Cambridge LLP to do the ombuds work in July 2018.

Murray said one of the partners at the firm "is a former colleague of mine and we benefit from a preferential rate for the service. All calls to the Ombuds office will be assessed by … a founding partner of the firm to direct it appropriately with confidentiality," Murray said in an email dated July 4, 2018.

"To avoid any conflict of interest any calls related to the Executive Director will be handled by" the founding partner, he said.

Murray's campaign was asked to comment on the whistleblower training and ombuds office contract but did not address those matters.

Pembina declines comment on complaints
Chris Severson-Baker, Pembina's current executive director, said the institute regrets it is unable to comment on personnel matters for privacy and legal reasons.

"Pembina has comprehensive workplace policies and procedures in place, including policies and procedures governing respectful workplace behaviours and the prudent use of resources and assets," he said in a statement.

During the summer of 2018, Pembina enlisted George Greene, the founder of consulting firm Stratos, to conduct a survey of employees and interview directors, according to emails obtained by CBC News and interviews with former employees.

Lindsay Wiginton, who worked as a Pembina transportation director based in Toronto, said she was among those interviewed by Greene.

She said she told Greene that Murray belittled her in front of other Pembina staff at Terroni, a Toronto restaurant, for insisting upon having her work duties spelled out in a written document.

"That felt like publicly shaming my efforts to protect myself contractually," Wiginton, who quit Pembina in 2019, said in a telephone interview from Toronto this week.

Wiginton also said she told Greene about the emotional toll of working in an office where she said she was asked to conduct duties outside of her work plan.

"I spent a lot of my energy sort of trying to prevent myself from needing to interact with him," she said.

Murray's campaign was asked to comment on the event Wiginton described, but did not address it.

Greene did not respond to requests for comment.

'We felt vulnerable'
After an emergency board meeting to assess Greene's findings on Aug. 24, 2018, Pembina board members, including Runnalls, presented Murray with a termination notice on Aug. 31, 2018, and later granted him the option to resign, according to emails obtained by CBC News.

Murray resigned on Sept. 9, 2018. He said this fall he resigned from Pembina for "personal and family reasons" and that he was not a good fit for Pembina because he attempted to make changes to the organization.

Vijayakumar questioned the latter claim.

"I think it was a lot more than that. I think people were less concerned about the structural changes that he was making, and it was more about creating a toxic environment in Toronto," she said.

"We felt vulnerable because he was a powerful, distinguished man in our office. We'd listen to him when he'd take us out to lunch and over drinks. We'd listen to him talk about different people in the political space, and it didn't feel safe."

Wiginton said she too did not feel safe in Pembina's Toronto office. The institute's board never should have allowed the office environment to deteriorate to the point where an external consultant had to be hired to investigate, she said.

Pembina's board "didn't put in place the mechanisms that they could have to manage the risk, especially given that [board chair] David Runnalls said specifically that he made a high-risk, high-reward decision to hire Glen," said Wiginton.

Murray's campaign was asked for comment on Wiginton and Vijayakumar's statements about the Toronto office, but did not address them.

Runnalls declined comment.

Wiginton and Vijayakumar are among nine former employees or board members who have spoken to CBC News about Murray's time at the Pembina Institute.

Murray's mayoral campaign has distributed letters of support from Runnalls, one-time Pembina retreat speaker Bill Reed and former Pembina employee Angus Affleck, who previously worked in the constituency office when Murray was the member of Ontario's Provincial Parliament for Toronto Centre.

Murray is among 11 candidates now running to become mayor of Winnipeg in the Oct. 26 civic election.

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Runnalls suggested Murray's experience at Pembina would make him a good mayor.

"At a time when climate action against the growing reality of changing weather and threats from heat domes, fires and increased flooding, cities will have to take the lead in meeting these new challenges," Runnalls writes in his letter of support.

"Glen is perfectly placed to respond to the challenge and to turn Winnipeg into Canada's leader on climate change."

Wiginton said she found Runnalls's statement frustrating, given her experience.

"This attitude that in order to solve climate change, we should promote the people who are big talkers and have big ideas but don't pay attention to caring for people is exactly why we're failing to address climate change," Wiginton said.

"This is something that I think both Glen and David Runnalls profess to take very seriously, and I feel like we can't make the changes we need to without being decent to each other."
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If even the CBC can figure out that Murray would be unfit for office……kind of telling and yet the woke/leftie crowd here don’t see a problemkoko:
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Gillingham's downtown announcement yesterday was basically, "Downton is important'.
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What does that mean. Gillingham going with rapid transit? That he supports the latest transit master plan? That's the path forward for all candidates. That shouldn't even be a thing. It's been accepted by the City, hasn't it? (serious questions, not trying to be an 🞵🞵🞵).
Yes, the Transit Master Plan, which includes eventually expanding the rapid transit network to more than the Blue Line, was approved already. But there's no funding commitment for these expansions (maybe there is at this point for the Eastern corridor, I can't recall). Master plans basically work as a guide for something that might happen.

The same is true for the Chief Peguis extension, the Kenaston widening, and a whole bunch of other future road extensions. The plan is for them to occur one day, but it's a matter of what project the City makes a priority (if any).
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To me very quickly in the past few days and weeks Murray looks like the worst option for Winnipeg mayor. Even Klein or Ouellette seem better than the drama and baggage and poorly thought out ideas Murray is bringing.
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I know this is a "skyscrapper" forum filled with people who want to see denser downtowns, but I don't get why most people here have their 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 in a knot with Gillingham's commitment to widen Keneston and extend Chief Peguis? Take a look at the post history in any infrastructure or road-related thread and you will see everyone complaining about the city's lack of proper ring road network and roads with capacity built for 1970s population. And now a candidate comes and proposes some fixes to this and everyone decries the initiative because it's not "urban" enough? You guys can't have your cake and eat it too.

I get that just adding lanes doesn't fix problems and the whole "induced demand" yada yada, but that doesn't detract from the need for those road projects. While mode shift, public transit, and active transit are all important initiatives we need to advance, that doesn't change the fact that many of the goods and services we use everyday are delivered via our road network - you're not going to see intermodal containers going from Symington Yard to Canadian Tire being transported by a bike in the bike lane anytime soon. Like it or not, these trade corridors are strategic, and do pose a competitiveness issue for the region as a whole. If goods and services can get to market faster and more efficiently, both businesses and consumers win. No one benefits from being stuck in traffic, and adding two lanes to a road or another section of regional ring road does alleviate this to some extent compared to doing nothing. And to add, buses also use roads. Buses stuck in traffic hurts transit ridership just as much as making it more convenient to take a car by adding lanes, so pick your poison.

Also, we have to stop acting like other cities have stopped building roads. Other cities like Calgary, Edmonton, Mississauga, Ottawa, and Halifax are expanding just like we are and have to make hard choices about upgrading existing infrastructure and accommodating growth. The main different in those cities is that funding for these projects isn't as difficult to come by thanks to their higher tax rates and development charges, which allow major road projects to get competed sooner with less financial trade-off, meaning less controversy and quicker accommodation of growth.

So everyone needs to chill out about Keneston and CPT extensions, because they are needed, are a part of the long-term transportation master plan, have been on the city's infrastructure priority list for quite some time, and will be used directly or indirectly by almost everyone in the city - whether you drive on the road, take the bus, or buy stuff at the store that gets shipped via truck.
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Old Posted Oct 21, 2022, 3:57 PM
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If I recall, a very large component of the Kenaston widening project was replacing one of the St. James bridges which was going to be required in the near future due to scouring of the piers? and using the old one and turning it into a pedestrian/active transportation
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Old Posted Oct 21, 2022, 4:00 PM
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TBH, if they are going to spend a 🞵🞵🞵🞵 load of money on Kenaston, I'd almost prefer they do it like the Yellowhead through Edmonton with tight SPUI's at Grant, Taylor, Corydon and it excavated down. No idea on that feasibility though.. or price tag.
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