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Old Posted Sep 16, 2022, 6:01 PM
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Aren't hovercraft notorious for being extreme gas guzzlers? Would be interesting to see what how emissions compare to driving.
This is the craft:
https://www.griffonhoverwork.com/products/hovercraft/bht-hovercraft


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One 130 passenger model exists, and isn't in service. Suspect the outer firth of forth had too high of waves for the service to be successful https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoverwork_BHT130
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 16, 2022, 7:55 PM
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The Ontario Line - A Big Step Forward for Toronto's Relief Line Successor
Reece Martin
Sept 15, 2022

Toronto’s Ontario Line project has been quietly working its way along with a number of early works projects underway and completing, and larger portions of the project begin to start. On Wednesday, September 14th, Infrastructure Ontario delivered major news that two of the three major contracts associated with the Ontario Line now have preferred proponents, which brings us much closer to final contract closure and the beginning of major construction for things like tunnelling and station construction.

Project Structure

You may be curious how this project is structured and confused why there are so many major contracts, when previous projects like the Eglinton Line 5 Crosstown and Finch West LRT were made up of one major contract given to a single consortium. The multiple contract approach breaks the project into three chunks: fixed infrastructure and stations from the lower Don bridge westwards known as South Civils; from the south portal of the tunnel under Pape known as North Civils (the joint corridor with GO is a separate, smaller project); and for the rolling stock and other operational elements known as RSSOM. The purpose here is to reduce the risk seen on each contract (the Crosstown has had all kinds of unexpected issues that have required legal intervention and additional negotiation, while huge issues with Ottawa’s LRT have reduced the private sector's appetite for risk), as well as reducing the size of contracts overall. This has the dual goal of increasing quality and improving competition by allowing more consortia to enter the ring. The smaller size of each contract also makes them more approachable, and it’s likely that the approach to the high risk tunnelling through the centre of Toronto’s downtown seen in the South Civils contract will be different from that taken for the mostly above ground North Civils.


Render of Queen Station, which will be part of the South Civils project.

The Two Contracts

Wednesday's announcement revealed that preferred proponents have been decided for both the RSSOM and South Civils contracts, which were put out to tender in December last year. These portions of the project are being moved forward first as they will likely take the longest and are thus the highest priority given the tight time schedule the province has promoted for the project.

The Preferred Teams

The preferred teams selected are comprised as follows:

South Civils (Ontario Transit Group)
  • Leads: Ferrovial Construction Canada Inc., VINCI Construction Grands Projets
  • Design: AECOM Canada Ltd., COWI North America Ltd., GHD Limited, SENER Group
  • Construction: Ferrovial Construction Canada Inc., Janin Atlas Inc, Financial Advisory: Agentis Capital


RSSOM (Connect 6ix)
  • Leads: Plenary Americas, Hitachi Rail, Webuild Group (Salini Impreglio Canada Holding Inc.), Transdev Canada Inc.
  • Design: Hitachi Rail, IBI Group Professional Services (Canada) Inc.
  • Construction: Hitachi Rail, Webuild Group (Astaldi Canada Design & Construction Inc. and Salini Impreglio Civil Works Inc.), NGE Contracting Inc.
  • Operations and Maintenance: Hitachi Rail, Transdev Canada Inc.
  • Financial Advisory: National Bank Financial Inc, Sumitomo Mitsui Banking Corporation.

What’s perhaps more interesting is the preferred bidder for the RSSOM contract, which is notably led by Hitachi and WeBuild group, who have been responsible for the automated Copenhagen and Milan Metro (M4) projects. As it turns out, Hitachi (sometimes more specifically referred to as Hitachi Rail Italy) has quite a repertoire of driverless metro systems they have built, albeit indirectly through their acquisition of troubled Italian rail company AnsaldoBreda.

Hitachi’s driverless metros are well known for their diminutive size, however the company has provided the technology in a variety of settings including with larger trains akin to what Metrolinx has required for the Ontario Line (~3m wide and 100m long trains), in cities such as Rome, Taipei, and Honolulu.

Interestingly, Hitachi is also undergoing a major acquisition of Thales, who has a large Toronto presence and is well known for creating signalling for automated train systems such as the entire Vancouver SkyTrain as well as Ottawa’s O-Train Confederation Line.

All of this is fascinating given that Alstom seemed more likely to be the potential winner of the RSSOM bid given their work on the similar (in specification) Montreal REM project and their Canadian origins and footprint (via their acquisition of Bombardier). The choice of Hitachi may imply trains would be imported from overseas as Hitachi does not have a Canadian manufacturing presence, which was the case for the Hyundai trains used on Vancouver's Canada Line that came from South Korea, as well as the Montreal REM trains from Alstom that were manufactured in India.

Is it really happening? How long will Construction take?

Given the importance of the Ontario Line to the Provincial government’s transit plans and its re-election this year, in addition to the continued progression of the Ontario Line procurement, it seems very unlikely that plans for the project will change in a major way. That being said, under the P3 model, it is possible for proponents to propose changes to the proposal originally made by Metrolinx for purposes of better design and constructability.

Construction for the Ontario Line is supposed to wrap up around 2030, and while this does seem like a relatively short timeline based on the experience the city has had with the Eglinton Line 5 Crosstown, the conditions are slightly different here. For one, lessons learned from the Crosstown, most notably with the difficulty of the work at Eglinton Station, have influenced design decisions around interchanges, at the same time, the phased contracting is meant to get the hardest parts of the project (the downtown tunnel) started first. This is something regular UrbanToronto forum users will appreciate as the Crosstown’s surface section flew through construction while the much more complex underground section has been slower going. For what it’s worth, I think it’s important to remember that subways need not take a decade to complete: Vancouver’s Canada Line was for example completed in less than four years in the lead up to the 2010 Olympic games, despite a large part of that project being in both bored and cut-and-cover tunnels. The Ontario Line is obviously a much more complicated project, but a 7 or 8 year timeline to completion hardly seems out of the realm of possibility - especially with the experienced contractors building the project.

What’s for sure is that the Ontario Line, when completed, will change Toronto forever.

UrbanToronto will continue to follow progress on this rapid transit project. If you'd like, you can join in on the conversation in our dedicated Forum thread, or leave a comment in the space provided on this page.


https://urbantoronto.ca/news/2022/09/ontario-line-big-step-forward-torontos-relief-line-successor
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 16, 2022, 11:00 PM
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^ That's cool. Almost like a text version of an RM Transit video.
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Cool Facebook page with past and present TTC imagery.





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Old Posted Sep 21, 2022, 2:55 AM
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Cool Facebook page with past and present TTC imagery.

https://www.facebook.com/transittimewarp/
That page is great! It has not just TTC stuff but GTA stuff and further out too.

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^ That's cool. Almost like a text version of an RM Transit video.
Except that it doesn't use the word "massively" 100 times
(no disrespect to RM - his videos are great!)
     
     
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https://news.ontario.ca/en/release/1002369/ontario-begins-construction-on-confederation-go-station

Construction is starting on the future Confederation GO station in Stoney Creek (finally)

This will extend Lakeshore West all-day GO service from downtown Hamilton to it's eastern suburbs.

Costs $50 million and will open in 2025, apparently. Will have 200 parking spaces, a passenger pick up and drop off location, a tunnel to a central, covered platform, stair accesses from the platform to Centennial Parkway, and a multi-use trail connection to Hamilton's Lakefront trail (which is excellent, by the way). Metrolinx owns more lands on the south side of the corridor as well to expand parking as required in the future. The bus loop has already been constructed and opened in 2020, and will be served by one of Hamilton's busiest bus routes (44 Rymal) and GO Buses to and from Niagara.

     
     
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Construction is starting on the future Confederation GO station in Stoney Creek (finally)

This will extend Lakeshore West all-day GO service from downtown Hamilton to it's eastern suburbs.

Costs $50 million and will open in 2025, apparently. Will have 200 parking spaces, a passenger pick up and drop off location, a tunnel to a central, covered platform, stair accesses from the platform to Centennial Parkway, and a multi-use trail connection to Hamilton's Lakefront trail (which is excellent, by the way). Metrolinx owns more lands on the south side of the corridor as well to expand parking as required in the future. The bus loop has already been constructed and opened in 2020, and will be served by one of Hamilton's busiest bus routes (44 Rymal) and GO Buses to and from Niagara.

Great. More parking oriented transit!

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Great. More parking oriented transit!
GO stations tend not to be transit oriented development. Ironically, the good thign is, this means that once they finally decide to do that, they have all that land to redevelop.
     
     
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Great. More parking oriented transit!
Yeah, makes no sense. GO doesn't have to keep locating stations in giant parking lots but they do it anyway.
     
     
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Wow.

The GO uses former and existing freight corridors through post war suburbs industrialized areas with one or two stations per suburban municipality. Parking is going to be a huge asset. GO has now built a dozen if not more multi-storey parking facilities with 4 to 6 floors of parking. Land usage has become drastically more efficient around stations. Building people filing cabinets around these stations should increase the number of passengers, drop the percentage of passengers that drive to the station but, won't lessens the demand for parking.
     
     
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YYC-Banff rail has a new page up.

https://friendsofcabr.com
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YYC-Banff rail has a new page up.

https://friendsofcabr.com
This looks like a great project, aside from the hydrogen powered trains. They have a plan to start construction in 2023. If this project has merit, I await the announcement of shovels in the ground.
     
     
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There are a few questions around whether or not this would 'enlarge the pipe' or put pressure on Parks Canada to restrict vehicular traffic and offset things.
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There are a few questions around whether or not this would 'enlarge the pipe' or put pressure on Parks Canada to restrict vehicular traffic and offset things.
The whole point is to enlarge the pipe without increasing the number of personal vehicles in the park.
     
     
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While reducing the overall GHG emissions and environmental impact...

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There are a few questions around whether or not this would 'enlarge the pipe' or put pressure on Parks Canada to restrict vehicular traffic and offset things.
You already cannot go to many places and find parking. They already have shuttle services. This could mean that those parking spaces might open up. It also could spur on more transit in the area.

All of that is a good thing.
     
     
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Rail Fans was able to get the ridership numbers for both Trillium and Confederation in November 2019!!


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This looks like a great project, aside from the hydrogen powered trains.
I think the opposite. Hydrogen is a great place to use and promote it's transportation abilities. Going into a national park, they want a zero emissions vehicle and catenary would cost a fortune more and battery would not be ideal in it's very cold climate and rough terrain.

Many countries in the world are ordering hydrogen trains and manufacturers are going full tilt into advancing them. Alstom was the lone player up until 3 years ago and now the giants of Siemens, Skoda, Talgo, and CCRW offering hydrogen trains with Hitachi soon to follow.

Alberta is trying to promote it's huge hydrogen potential as it tries to wean itself off oil and a hydrogen train is a good place to start.
     
     
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