Public Disorder & the Decline of Vancouver's Livability

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Zepfancouver

A new mayor Ken Sim and a new day in Vancouver. We can now close and archive this thread

It certainly shows that the issue of disorder resonated with voters, much more than people thought. Now ABC has the hard task ahead.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by Zepfancouver

A new mayor Ken Sim and a new day in Vancouver. We can now close and archive this thread

I wouldn't take that victory lap just yet on this thread. Criminals out there aren't going to see a Sim victory and immediately go, "Ope, guess it's time to give up on crime!" We'll see how ABC policy affects the issue.

[Zepfancouver]

Originally Posted by chowhou

...Criminals out there aren't going to see a Sim victory and immediately go, "Ope, guess it's time to give up on crime!"...

I hope they do see the 100 new cops, more visible patrolling would be nice.

[Migrant_Coconut]

If ABC can even follow up on that; their plan is apparently very sketchy. Fingers crossed, but don't be surprised if they get sworn in, the $20 million isn't actually there (or it costs more) and nothing actually happens.

[Klazu]

Oh wow. Where are our resident crime apologists tonight?? I thought they were telling us that it's only a tiny minority worried about public safety and things were going very well under the current leadership.

Talk about ECHO CHAMBER DELUSION.

Regardless, it will be a major effort to revert damage done by the Clown Council.

[chowhou]

Bear in mind that crime and perception of crime are too very different metrics.

[GMD]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

If ABC can even follow up on that; their plan is apparently very sketchy. Fingers crossed, but don't be surprised if they get sworn in, the $20 million isn't actually there (or it costs more) and nothing actually happens.

To be honest, I'm not sure how much the municipal government can really do on this file (this should be a good test case, of course). The bigger impact may be the message it sends to the other levels of government. When crime and disorder are rising, left wing parties lose, it is pretty much that simple.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

. It wasn't Vancouver that torched its Koreatown.

Uh, wasn't that like three decades ago?

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by wabooba

I was on the phone with one of the civic political parties, and asked if they had seen "Vancouver is Dying." No, they said, but that everyone was talking about it!!
But NOT because they had seen it; they hadn't. * But because Aron Gunn (who I hadn't heard of before) was a right-wing neo-this and that and could not be trusted.
I watched it, and I found it unbiased in that no racial demographic was ever targeted or even mentioned, but statistics were given showing the extreme rise in random attacks, also in the West Side and Kits.
A lot of concern was given to the DTES, the crime and drug issues there, and the apparently flawed city and provincial government approach to this. For me, it seemed very objective.
But people see the name Aaron Gunn and are immediately biased. I would suggest simply watching it before jumping to any conclusions about it, or boycotting it because Aaron Gunn produced it.

Have any of the real people interviewed for the video asked to have their segments removed from it?

[whatnext]

This happened this week. It illustrates once again that most of these attacks are unhinged men upon women or the elderly. Very few of the scumbags will take on another male their age.

Stranger attack victim punched 'square in the eye socket' in downtown Vancouver, witness says
Shannon Paterson
Updated Oct. 13, 2022 7:01 p.m. PDT

Police are searching for a suspect after a woman was punched in the face by a passing stranger in downtown Vancouver Wednesday evening.

Authorities said the 29-year-old victim was walking near Cambie and Pender streets when a man struck her in the face, knocking her to the ground.

Moments earlier, an employee of a nearby business saw the man, dressed all in black with a bandana covering his face, walking aggressively toward her, so she ducked into a doorway to let him pass....

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/stranger-attack-vi...owntown-vancouver-witness-says-1.6107879

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Zepfancouver

I hope they do see the 100 new cops, more visible patrolling would be nice.

The new cops will be part of the Car87 program, and plain clothed.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Oh wow. Where are our resident crime apologists tonight?? I thought they were telling us that it's only a tiny minority worried about public safety and things were going very well under the current leadership.

They only exist in your mind. You and Vin just create straw men constantly.

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Oh wow. Where are our resident crime apologists tonight?? I thought they were telling us that it's only a tiny minority worried about public safety and things were going very well under the current leadership.

Talk about ECHO CHAMBER DELUSION.

Regardless, it will be a major effort to revert damage done by the Clown Council.

This is some very black and white thinking.

I voted for Sim AND I think that many of the regular people posting on this thread about the state of the city struggle with rather distorted perspectives.

Both things can be true, that a change was necessary and that some people weirdly enjoy their doom and gloom rants.

It’s also a bit delusional to think that everything is different now. Let’s see how the doom and gloomers feel about Sim in a year or two.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by wabooba

I was on the phone with one of the civic political parties, and asked if they had seen "Vancouver is Dying." No, they said, but that everyone was talking about it!!
But NOT because they had seen it; they hadn't. * But because Aron Gunn (who I hadn't heard of before) was a right-wing neo-this and that and could not be trusted.
I watched it, and I found it unbiased in that no racial demographic was ever targeted or even mentioned, but statistics were given showing the extreme rise in random attacks, also in the West Side and Kits.
A lot of concern was given to the DTES, the crime and drug issues there, and the apparently flawed city and provincial government approach to this. For me, it seemed very objective.
But people see the name Aaron Gunn and are immediately biased. I would suggest simply watching it before jumping to any conclusions about it, or boycotting it because Aaron Gunn produced it.

Exactly. I don't care what people coin Aaron Gunn as, but those that reject this film outright before even watchjng are extremists themselves. The extremely Woke type.

If you don't agree what Aaron Gunn or his interviewees say in the film, try to prove them wrong. Simple.

Originally Posted by Zepfancouver

I hope they do see the 100 new cops, more visible patrolling would be nice.

Aye, aye!

[Vin]

Originally Posted by dreambrother808

This is some very black and white thinking.

I voted for Sim AND I think that many of the regular people posting on this thread about the state of the city struggle with rather distorted perspectives.

Both things can be true, that a change was necessary and that some people weirdly enjoy their doom and gloom rants.

It’s also a bit delusional to think that everything is different now. Let’s see how the doom and gloomers feel about Sim in a year or two.

Love to prove you wrong when change really happens and Vancouver is going on the right path once again.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Klazu

Oh wow. Where are our resident crime apologists tonight?? I thought they were telling us that it's only a tiny minority worried about public safety and things were going very well under the current leadership.

Talk about ECHO CHAMBER DELUSION.

Regardless, it will be a major effort to revert damage done by the Clown Council.

Why do you think someone like Kennedy Stewart can be on the helm in the first place? There must be many apologists and extremists supporting him, despite the rot in the city. They will deny what is happening to this city till the very end. Well, at least there is a change of leadership now. Let's see where that takes us....

[Vin]

This should've been the job from the City, not volunteers. That's why we voted out Kennedy Stewart and the lousy councilors.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/chinatown-graffiti-clean-up

[Bcasey25raptor]

Sim Mayor changes nothing, DTES will keep getting worse, housing prices will continue to be sky high, the poor and middle class will continue to be priced out.

So many of you on here are delusional and think Sim alone can fix what are systemic problems.

See you in 4 years when the problems just continue to deteriorate and when you're on the defensive over it

[Migrant_Coconut]

We'll see what a hundred more cops (if that's even possible) does. The VPD is already roughly a quarter of Vancouver's budget; seems to be working about as well as Swanson's free drugs.

Originally Posted by Acajack

Uh, wasn't that like three decades ago?

It was. And how has that sentiment changed over the years?

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by Vin

Love to prove you wrong when change really happens and Vancouver is going on the right path once again.

I’m hopeful for the future as well. Unlike you, I don’t take pleasure in focusing on the negative.

You’re not right about any other topics you discuss here, but hopefully you’re right about this change.