New Vancouver Art Gallery | Proposed - Page 90

djmk · #**1781** Posted **Oct 14, 2022, 5:16 PM**

another $50 million towards this project for a total of $100M

Apparently, the VAG has raised 320M out of the 400M (80%) of the funds needed. However, with costs as they are, I have my doubts this is enough.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-art-gallery-new-building-bc-provincial-funding

djmk · #**1782** Posted **Oct 14, 2022, 5:17 PM**

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Maybe they're getting the money Horgan was going to give for a new RBCM in Victoria.

I think this is exactly what is happening. Not that I'm complaining....

seamusmcduff · #**1783** Posted **Oct 14, 2022, 5:55 PM**

320 mill. raised is still quite the feat. Really hope they make it work.

svlt · #**1784** Posted **Oct 14, 2022, 5:55 PM**

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Maybe they're getting the money Horgan was going to give for a new RBCM in Victoria.

There's an enormous amount of free cash if that money was actually available somewhere in their long term budget, this is a pittance by comparison...

whatnext · #**1785** Posted **Oct 14, 2022, 6:35 PM**

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I think this is exactly what is happening. Not that I'm complaining....

Yes, perhaps a little bit. But coming in dribs and drabs is annoying. Senior levels of gov't should step up in a bigger way. As they say, Sh!t or get off the pot.

It's embarrassing that with a metro population of 2.89 million Vienna has 100 museums. Vancouver with a population 2.64 million probably has less than you can count on two hands.

Migrant_Coconut · #**1786** Posted **Oct 14, 2022, 7:37 PM**

Meh. Wake me up when it's shovel-ready.

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Yes, perhaps a little bit. But coming in dribs and drabs is annoying. Senior levels of gov't should step up in a bigger way. As they say, Sh!t or get off the pot.

It's embarrassing that with a metro population of 2.89 million Vienna has 100 museums. Vancouver with a population 2.64 million probably has less than you can count on two hands.

Vienna also has a lot of culture in general. With Vancouver, it's Emily Carr, Group of Seven, the end.

WestEnd604 · #**1787** Posted **Oct 14, 2022, 7:47 PM**

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It's embarrassing that with a metro population of 2.89 million Vienna has 100 museums. Vancouver with a population 2.64 million probably has less than you can count on two hands.

Are you seriously comparing the arts and culture of Vienna, a European City which was founded around 500 B.C.E with Vancouver based on similar population? Hardly apples to apples wouldn't you say?

whatnext · #**1788** Posted **Oct 14, 2022, 7:56 PM**

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Are you seriously comparing the arts and culture of Vienna, a European City which was founded around 500 B.C.E with Vancouver based on similar population? Hardly apples to apples wouldn't you say?

Why would that matter. Museums are largely a modern-era creation.

Given the amount of Rolls Royces, Bentley's and Maclarens on Vancouver's roads one would think there would be ample private capital to fund philanthropic endeavours. However......

djh · #**1789** Posted **Oct 14, 2022, 8:08 PM**

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Why would that matter. Museums are largely a modern-era creation.

Given the amount of Rolls Royces, Bentley's and Maclarens on Vancouver's roads one would think there would be ample private capital to fund philanthropic endeavours. However......

Vienna has thousands of years of world-class, world-famous art to exhibit.
Vancouver...

I'd rather have a few quality museums than a large number of "meh" museums just for the purpose of saying "Wow! We have as many museums as a World Class place! That must mean we are good too! Somebody notice us!"

dreambrother808 · #**1790** Posted **Oct 14, 2022, 8:23 PM**

Also it's a bit silly to compare Vancouver to a European city that's over 2000 years old.

Migrant_Coconut · #**1791** Posted **Oct 14, 2022, 8:29 PM**

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Why would that matter. Museums are largely a modern-era creation.

Given the amount of Rolls Royces, Bentley's and Maclarens on Vancouver's roads one would think there would be ample private capital to fund philanthropic endeavours. However......

Doesn't matter how many museums you buy if there's nothing to put in them, correct?

djmk · #**1792** Posted **Oct 14, 2022, 9:16 PM**

Pfff Vienna. I'd be happy Vancouver was compared to Winnipeg

wabooba · #**1793** Posted **Oct 14, 2022, 11:00 PM**

The discussions comparing Vancouver to Vienna (or any other major European city, from London, Paris, and Istanbul, to Florence, Bruges, or any other city you care to name .....
have a certain validity perhaps, but in the final analysis, seem irrelevant. Vancouver is a young city born of a milltown at the end of a railway line in the coastal forests, a frontier town growing up ...

The money is on its way, and the final plans have been drawn up It's going to be a fine building. The next major - and IMO most important challenge is that there is as wide a range of quality work as possible.

An Emily Carr wing would be a great place to start, and maybe The Group of Seven as well, but it could go from there, in any direction ... as long as -as they said at Metro Goldwyn Mayer studios -
"make it big, do it right, and give it class,"

wabooba · #**1794** Posted **Oct 14, 2022, 11:35 PM**

And as for the present building with its copper dome, classic columns, terraces, interior spaces, elegant staircases, and regal lions ... and which will
become the "former Vancouver Gallery," please, please consider ...

an institute of music, adapted as needs be. /// Vancouver needs this cultural augmentation badly. (but that's just an opinion).

whatnext · #**1795** Posted **Oct 15, 2022, 12:43 AM**

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Also it's a bit silly to compare Vancouver to a European city that's over 2000 years old.

Ok what about San Diego? Or even Pittsburgh?

Changing City · #**1796** Posted **Oct 15, 2022, 1:46 AM**

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Ok what about San Diego? Or even Pittsburgh?

Pittsburgh had a head start, and an obscenely wealthy philanthropist to build it. The major art museum is the Carnegie Museum of Art. Its origins can be traced to 1886 with Andrew Carnegie's initial concept: "I am thinking of incorporating with the plan for a library that of an art-gallery in which shall be preserved a record of the progress and development of pictorial art in America." It was dedicated in 1895. In 1886 Vancouver was a smoldering pile of ashes. Andrew Carnegie paid $50,000 to help build Vancouver's first library in 1901. (It's now the Carnegie Library).

The official Balboa Park website calls the San Diego Museum of Art "the region's oldest and largest art museum". according to 'which museum' nearly half a million people visit the museum each year. The Vancouver Art Gallery was founded in 1931, and in 2017/18 recorded over 600,000 visitors. Seems we're doing OK compared to the San Diego gallery. They also have a contemporary Art Gallery, but that's in La Jolla, 21km from Downtown San Diego.

Migrant_Coconut · #**1797** Posted **Oct 15, 2022, 2:10 AM**

It also helps that Europeans had a presence in California as far back as 1542, and Pennsylvania in 1631; they didn't find BC until 1850. That's a lot more time to develop "high culture."

whatnext · #**1798** Posted **Oct 15, 2022, 3:26 PM**

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It also helps that Europeans had a presence in California as far back as 1542, and Pennsylvania in 1631; they didn't find BC until 1850. That's a lot more time to develop "high culture."

Who says museums have to be about "high culture"? One of my TO favourites is the Bata Shoe Museum. For example we could have a museum of the lumber industry, which built modern Vancouver.

jollyburger · #**1799** Posted **Oct 15, 2022, 4:17 PM**

We will only be world class when the art is worthy of having tomato soup dumped on it.

Changing City · #**1800** Posted **Oct 15, 2022, 4:31 PM**

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Who says museums have to be about "high culture"? One of my TO favourites is the Bata Shoe Museum. For example we could have a museum of the lumber industry, which built modern Vancouver.

Right. It's a great idea to have a target for old growth logging protests.

The hint is in the title of the shoe museum, it was established by a shoe company.

Nothing stopped Macmillan Bloedel establishing a museum, but the didn't. It would then have become the Weyerhauser Museum, and then closed down and moved out of the city, if it followed the lumber industry arc. It's a shame, because they could have had a display explaining how clearcutting areas near Prince George to turn into pellets to burn in UK power station is 'green'.

There's a museum on the history of logging in Powell River. Where the mill finally closed this year.