Quebec, the French Language, and Quebecois Identity

[MolsonExport]

Originally Posted by Loco101

There are a number of restaurants in Ontario in areas with lots of Franco-Ontarians that serve Quebec dishes or prepare meals like you'd see in Quebec. Normally they aren't as good as what you get in Quebec but they're okay. Quebec restaurants have higher standards for meals for the most part.

In Timmins I can get poutine at so many places. I can get smoked meat sandwiches, fèves au lard (baked beans), cretons, grenache, pea soup, pouding chômeur, tourtière, pizza and spaghetti that are done Quebec-style, hot chicken sandwich Quebec-style, sugar pie, sucre à la crême and a lot more. I enjoy eating all of those things but they are normally much better at restaurants in Quebec.

I just ate, but you are making me very hungry. I love Quebec-style home cookin'

[lio45]

Originally Posted by Acajack

One of the best analyses of the Quebec election results, from the former mayor of my own city of Gatineau. For those who can read French or have good translation apps.

https://www.lapresse.ca/elections-quebec...-realite-l-a-emporte-sur-l-ideologie.php

Yep. Hits the nail on the head.

tl;dr version:

1) Anglo Party. Fringe. Unpalatable to 85% of voters.
2) Independence-Right-Now Party. Fringe. Unpalatable to 85% of voters.
3) Hard Loony Left Party. Fringe. Unpalatable to 85% of voters.
4) Angry “Libaaaarté!” Party. Fringe. Unpalatable to 85% of voters.

5) Incumbent Party. Sane, mainstream option. Won in landslide. What a surprise.

[lio45]

Interestingly, as his collègue Patrick Lagacé points out, there was a battle between Old Left and New Left in Rouyn-Noranda. (Federal NPD might want to take a look and learn.)

Well-Paid Union Jobs for People With Little Education
vs
Maximum Greenness.




Arsenic won.

[le calmar]

I didn't realize Pedneault-Jobin was a columnist for La Presse. i did notice he wrote a few opinion pieces, but I assumed he was just some sort of guest.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by lio45

Interestingly, as his collègue Patrick Lagacé points out, there was a battle between Old Left and New Left in Rouyn-Noranda. (Federal NPD might want to take a look and learn.)

Well-Paid Union Jobs for People With Little Education
vs
Maximum Greenness.




Arsenic won.

There is a lesson there for politicians all across the western world.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by le calmar

I didn't realize Pedneault-Jobin was a columnist for La Presse. i did notice he wrote a few articles, but I assumed he was just some sort of guest.

He's putting out a lot of stuff for them lately. Hopefully he sticks as a regular contributor.

I only found him so-so as our mayor, but he's a great commentator and analyst.

[gunnar777]

Originally Posted by lio45

Yep. Hits the nail on the head.

tl;dr version:
5) Incumbent Party. Sane, mainstream option. Won in landslide. What a surprise.

Under whose leadership the highest COVID-19 death rate in the country was recorded.

And yes I know, Québec has had terrible healthcare compared to other large provinces for some time so this isn't all on the CAQ, and we have also been seeing increased privatization due to the province apparently deciding health outcomes should be determined by ability to pay.

[vanatox]

Originally Posted by gunnar777

Under whose leadership the highest COVID-19 death rate in the country was recorded.

And yes I know, Québec has had terrible healthcare compared to other large provinces for some time so this isn't all on the CAQ, and we have also been seeing increased privatization due to the province apparently deciding health outcomes should be determined by ability to pay.

Maybe read this:

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1880889/esperance-vie-quebec-avant-covid-isq

So as you can see, we got a lower COVID-19 death rate than the rest of the country. Quebec was (and still is) very conservative with the way it calculate COVID deaths.

[gunnar777]

Originally Posted by vanatox

Maybe read this:

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1880889/esperance-vie-quebec-avant-covid-isq

So as you can see, we got a lower COVID-19 death rate than the rest of the country. Quebec was (and still is) very conservative with the way it calculate COVID deaths.

You make a good point, and I was aware that we were apparently more likely to count a death as COVID-related than many other jurisdictions.

What surprised me most in the article was the life expectancy. Given how bad I and, well, just about everyone else in Québec has it with our system, that number is impressively high.

[lio45]

Most people know Legault did the best possible job against Covid.

Québécois are well known to be the champions of indiscipline/jaywalking/etc. so it's obvious that any situation that requires control and discipline, they'll perform poorly.

(East Asian cultures being at the opposite end of the spectrum -- I predicted their good numbers even before they were released.)

If at the beginning of the pandemic I put you in charge of a local jurisdiction in the USA where the people are all super-hard-headed "freedumb" types, as well as all obese and very sickly, and you turned out to have a higher-than-global-average mortality rate with those constituents, would it automatically mean you didn't do a good job?

[Acajack]

Interesting fact:

The three most anglophone ridings in Quebec, Robert-Baldwin, D'Arcy-McGee and Jacques-Cartier, in western Montreal, all had Éric Duhaime's Parti Conservateur (PCQ) in second place. The Liberals won all three of course.

The PCQ got an impressive 20% in D'Arcy-McGee.

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by lio45

Interestingly, as his collègue Patrick Lagacé points out, there was a battle between Old Left and New Left in Rouyn-Noranda. (Federal NPD might want to take a look and learn.)

Well-Paid Union Jobs for People With Little Education
vs
Maximum Greenness.




Arsenic won.

I always have to point out that the Glencore Horne smelter there wouldn't be in operation if it wasn't for my region. Our Glencore Kidd smelter got shut down due to high hydro prices and everything being treated was moved to there.

Rouyn-Noranda-Témiscamingue has done exactly what Timmins did this year in a provincial election. Although our former MPP Bisson was much more moderate than Lessard-Therrien. Bisson has always been pro-mining and forestry as well as pro-union. I wonder if new CAQ MNA Daniel Bernard will become a cabinet minister like our MPP George Pirie.

[lio45]

Originally Posted by Loco101

I always have to point out that the Glencore Horne smelter there wouldn't be in operation if it wasn't for my region. Our Glencore Kidd smelter got shut down due to high hydro prices and everything being treated was moved to there.

Rouyn-Noranda-Témiscamingue has done exactly what Timmins did this year in a provincial election. Although our former MPP Bisson was much more moderate than Lessard-Therrien. Bisson has always been pro-mining and forestry as well as pro-union. I wonder if new CAQ MNA Daniel Bernard will become a cabinet minister like our MPP George Pirie.

My dad's first major contract when he ventured into the industrial construction business (1993) was at the Falconbridge smelter in Timmins. (I was too young to participate at the time.) We have pics in our company archives.

Is it the same one?

[Loco101]

Originally Posted by lio45

My dad's first major contract when he ventured into the industrial construction business (1993) was at the Falconbridge smelter in Timmins. (I was too young to participate at the time.) We have pics in our company archives.

Is it the same one?

Oh that's interesting. Yes, that's the same one but it was demolished about 10 years ago. Only the concentrator remains and the concentrate is now sent to Rouyn-Noranda. It was called the Kidd Metallurgical Site (met site) or Kidd smelter and was originally owned by Texasgulf but was later owned by Falconbridge, Xstrata and finally Glencore. I had never been to it but my friends who have worked there said that it was pretty impressive. It was Hydro One's top client for electricity consumption.

The huge Kidd mine is still in operation here and is where most of the zinc, copper and other minerals come from that are treated at the Horne Smelter.

[1overcosc]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Interesting fact:

The three most anglophone ridings in Quebec, Robert-Baldwin, D'Arcy-McGee and Jacques-Cartier, in western Montreal, all had Éric Duhaime's Parti Conservateur (PCQ) in second place. The Liberals won all three of course.

The PCQ got an impressive 20% in D'Arcy-McGee.

Interesting. D'Arcy-McGee is the riding that is famous for voting over 90% PLQ on several occasions and voted an astonishing 96% Non in 1995. In addition to being mostly anglophone, its also majority Jewish IIRC.

[Al Ski]

Originally Posted by 1overcosc

Interesting. D'Arcy-McGee is the riding that is famous for voting over 90% PLQ on several occasions and voted an astonishing 96% Non in 1995. In addition to being mostly anglophone, its also majority Jewish IIRC.

This is one of a dozen ridings on the Island where the Liberals could run a blowup doll and still poll 70%.

And I'm not exaggerating.

These people want to separate Montreal from Quebec, most Montrealers would like them to separate from Montreal!

These people are nut jobs (but slowly dying out)

[gunnar777]

Originally Posted by Al Ski

This is one of a dozen ridings on the Island where the Liberals could run a blowup doll and still poll 70%.

And I'm not exaggerating.

These people want to separate Montreal from Quebec, most Montrealers would like them to separate from Montreal!

These people are nut jobs (but slowly dying out)

Who are you talking about? (I think we know).
Also, just pointing out that you're pro-Russian invasion in other threads, which is gross. I suppose you want mtl to secede and become an annexed territory of Russia?

[MolsonExport]

The PQs new logo (trou du cul) is awful, and likely copied from a gas company based in Kazakhstan.
https://journalmetro.com/actualites/2739288/logo-pq-ressemble-entreprise-kazakhstan/

I like the old, angry PQ logo much better.


even better is Hydro Quebec

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by ToxiK

Because it became popular in the United States...

I lived in the US and never heard of it over there. Can't recall any US friend or acquaintance ever mentioning it either. In fact Canada more generally barely ever registers in the US. Even in Seattle where I stayed and have some long-time friends, so close to the Canadian border, it feels like Canada is thousands of miles away. You'd be surprised how little Seattlites know about Canada (to the point, for example, one family with whom I stayed didn't know Canadian speed limits were posted in km per hour, and were shocked to see "100" speed signs when we drove to Vancouver, assuming it was 100 mph and Canadians were crazy to drive so fast).

[New Brisavoine]

Originally Posted by lio45

My greatgrandpa grew up in a France-without-Alsace. Don't think it changed much in his life. Quebec leaving Canada would be a lot more life-altering. First off, Anglo-Canada without Quebec would be geographically a mess. Southern Ontario would be landlocked by Quebec. Atlantic Canada would be isolated. The capital would be on the edge of the country (not critical, but still really weird).

There wouldn't be any border anyway, like in Ireland, so people would barely notice. Saying that "Ontario would be landlocked" is as odd as saying that Luxembourg is landlocked, which makes no sense in a border-free area.