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Old Posted Sep 29, 2022, 4:00 AM
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I find it interesting that we listen to special interest when it comes to police presence.

A trip to seattle last weekend (of course there are all the armed security officers at most of the stores in downtown) - but along 3rd ave which is mostly a transit street where the vast majority of the street disorder centered - king county sherriff and seattle police are now a visible permanent presence. Several officers on each corder, parked police vehicles etc and I would say 75% of the disorder was gone. A person here or there that was clearly severely addicted and a small-ish gathering of people grouped together.

I know the special interest would not like this but an approach like this to problem areas may be the solution. The poverty industry will hate it but it could at least put a dent in it.

Within Metro seattle they also give notice and services to disburse street encampments - again this just dispurses the situation but it also gives the opportunity to work with the people that want help. The city, province and federal government are enabling the situation here at this point.
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Old Posted Sep 29, 2022, 4:56 AM
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Depends on a lot of things; police presence could remove disorder, or inflame it. I know for a fact at VPL Central that when security shows up, a lot of them get braver.
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Old Posted Sep 29, 2022, 5:53 AM
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They had a bunch of murders and shootings this spring so they have some mobile police precincts down there.

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Old Posted Sep 29, 2022, 4:32 PM
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Depends on a lot of things; police presence could remove disorder, or inflame it. I know for a fact at VPL Central that when security shows up, a lot of them get braver.
If they're dumb enough to attack the cops then good luck to them.
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Old Posted Sep 29, 2022, 4:33 PM
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Queue up the next victim

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If you parked a black Audi or black SUV on Laurel St at 10th, north side, across from VGH... And your hood happens to be dented/scratched/etc and you are wondering why...

A man ran out of the hospital, away from security guards, and jumped on top of your vehicles. He was climbing around and sanding on them for a few moments while taunting security and then darted away.

I didn't see if there was damage from where I was standing, but thought I'd let you know!

Hope they aren't dinged up much!
https://www.reddit.com/r/vancouver/comme...ked_a_black_audi_or_black_suv_on_laurel/
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Old Posted Sep 29, 2022, 7:39 PM
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I find it interesting that we listen to special interest when it comes to police presence.

A trip to seattle last weekend (of course there are all the armed security officers at most of the stores in downtown) - but along 3rd ave which is mostly a transit street where the vast majority of the street disorder centered - king county sherriff and seattle police are now a visible permanent presence. Several officers on each corder, parked police vehicles etc and I would say 75% of the disorder was gone. A person here or there that was clearly severely addicted and a small-ish gathering of people grouped together.

I know the special interest would not like this but an approach like this to problem areas may be the solution. The poverty industry will hate it but it could at least put a dent in it.

Within Metro seattle they also give notice and services to disburse street encampments - again this just dispurses the situation but it also gives the opportunity to work with the people that want help. The city, province and federal government are enabling the situation here at this point.
There you go! Thanks for sharing about something that works elsewhere. We should be learning from these, and not comparing ourselves to the worst of the lot, which many of the forumers here have a knack of doing.

In the DTES, many of the so-called "Special interest" groups are part of the problem. I don't think they qualify to represent the people they claim they are fighting for.
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Old Posted Sep 29, 2022, 7:43 PM
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Did you stand up and ask a question at the Mayor's forum?
I would if the audience were allowed to ask questions. Alas, the current mayor was laughed and snickered at many times by the audience for spewing up nonsense. Even Colleen Hardwick was more likeable, although I am not with her about her ideas like dismantling the Broadway Plan.

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You're the one who keeps saying other cities have it better, not me; they don't.

"Safe" Calgary has 6, despite having a smaller population than Vancouver. Toronto has 25. It's almost like things are bad everywhere and people shouldn't measure crime by the number of BuzzFeed articles they click on.
If "other cities" only represent American ones to you, then you have a geographically challenged mind.
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Old Posted Sep 29, 2022, 8:04 PM
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If "other cities" only represent American ones to you, then you have a geographically challenged mind.
London: 6
Berlin: 5
Hong Kong: 25
Singapore: 27
Case: rested. You just live under a rock.
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Old Posted Sep 30, 2022, 7:18 AM
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Where have I heard this before?

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A Vancouver woman was sentenced to four years in prison Sept. 28 for two vicious assaults that happened while she was on probation for a manslaughter conviction.

Vancouver provincial court Judge Kathryn Denhoff said the 2020 assaults to which Sadie Taniskishayinew, 29, pleaded guilty to were unprovoked and involved defenceless people.

Denhoff also characterized the 2015 fatal stabbing of a man for which Taniskishayinew was also jailed for as an attack on a defenceless person. The judge characterized much of Taniskishayinew’s behaviour as "unrestrained violence."

Taniskishayinew and Robert Boucher had been drinking when he left the party. Denhoff heard Taniskishayinew ran after him with a knife, stabbed him and left him to die on a street.

The judge who sentenced Taniskishayinew in 2018 called her a risk to the public. Denhoff echoed those same words Thursday.

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The new charges for which Taniskishayinew was sentenced involved an attack on a man at a SkyTrain station and another on a street.

Court heard that on March 27, 2020, the man at the SkyTrain station had asked a group Taniskishayinew was with to turn down their music. Court then heard she punched him in the head.

An associate of hers began to assault the man while Taniskishayinew took his backpack. A passerby intervened and the associate stopped.

The assault then resumed.

Three more people arrived after Taniskishayinew told the man she would call her nephew to deal with him. As the three “swarmed, straddled and punched” the man, Taniskishayinew kicked him in the heads three times, the judge said.

When the victim got up, “Taniskishayinew punched him forcefully on the head.”

Denhoff said video evidence showed the group high-fiving as they left.

“It is clear that she called the males to participate in the assault,” Denhoff said.

The judge said the victim’s turban was pulled from his head; he also needed eye surgery and remains fearful of public transit.

“His injuries were by no means trivial or transitory,” Denhoff said. “He was also subjected to racial slurs that led him to believe he was targeted because of his race.”

On Oct. 3, Taniskishayinew had demanded a woman leave an area she was in. Two men were with her as she paced around after the demand.

“(Taniskishayinew) suddenly raised a large knife ... and stabbed her in the head area,” Denhoff said, noting the victim had stab wounds around her eye.

“It seems miraculous the victim’s eye was not damaged.”

While the victim was holding her head, Taniskishayinew punched her four times in the head, grabbed her by the hair “and viciously threw her to the ground.”

The victim hit her head on the pavement, court heard. Taniskishayinew then kicked her and left.

The judge said in light of the earlier manslaughter conviction, Taniskishayinew knew such an attack could result in significant injury.

Taniskishayinew’s background
Denhoff said violence has long been a part of Taniskishayinew’s life.

The judge said Taniskishayinew was born to a 15-year-old who had been physically and sexually abused in a residential school.

“Her suffering from violence is so extensive that she has come to expect violence from others, including romantic partners,” Denhoff said.

The judge said Taniskishayinew’s police record includes multiple attacks on people in public places. That record of violence has also continued while in custody, Denhoff said, noting a record of assaults on inmates, abuse to staff and bullying other prisoners to get drugs.

Court heard Taniskishayinew has repeatedly expressed a desire to deal with substance abuse and anger issues but when the supports are put in place for her, she does not take advantage of them.

Broken down, Taniskishayinew’s sentence is four years for the October 2020 assault and six months for the SkyTrain assault. With credit for time served, she will spend three years and nine months in prison, likely at Fraser Valley Institution for Women.
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Old Posted Sep 30, 2022, 3:12 PM
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London: 6
Berlin: 5
Hong Kong: 25
Singapore: 27
Case: rested. You just live under a rock.
And DTES 1
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Old Posted Sep 30, 2022, 3:20 PM
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I don't think they qualify to represent the people they claim they are fighting for.
And what exactly are you qualified to do? What credentials or experience do you have? Nothing I assume.
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Old Posted Sep 30, 2022, 5:52 PM
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And DTES 1
Hence proving my point.
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Old Posted Sep 30, 2022, 6:58 PM
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And what exactly are you qualified to do? What credentials or experience do you have? Nothing I assume.
Certainly more than you: a typical denier and excuse-maker at best.
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Old Posted Sep 30, 2022, 7:01 PM
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Oh, what's up with all the rabble-rouser out there, eh? People must be living under rocks! Our downtown is so safe and nice I really don't understand all this negativity.

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Vancouver's Downtown Eastside is a "problem of Canada": Gabor Maté (VIDEO)
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/downtown-eastside-canada-problem
The Downtown Eastside is the name for a corridor of Vancouver running along Hastings Street, near Chinatown, which is within walking distance from the downtown core. It’s common to see people using drugs out in the open, sitting by fires they’ve made, or congregating on sidewalks. Unfortunately, it’s also common to see residents of this community suffering from mental illnesses.

Governments have poured funds and resources into this neighbourhood, offering safe supply and shelter spaces. However, the problem seems to be growing.

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Old Posted Sep 30, 2022, 7:09 PM
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Showcasing beautiful Vancouver to the world:

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Old Posted Sep 30, 2022, 7:21 PM
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Must be a lie: Women are completely safe in the DTES!

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Certainly more than you: a typical denier and excuse-maker at best.
And “certainly more” means what specifically? Please share your credentials and relevant expertise.
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Thanks for starting a business in the City of Vancouver! What a surprise, Murray Hotel residents. And people dare to say people are NIMBYs if they don't want it's kind of housing in their neighbourhood.

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TODAY! Blatant daytime robbery & crime at Howe & Helmcken ladies wear resale store. The female asian clerk was beaten & bear spayed by two drug addicts. VPD found the store clerk vomiting on the street in front of her store due to the bear spray. Murray Hotel resident suspects.


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Old Posted Oct 1, 2022, 4:59 PM
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I mean look around the area and you'll figure out that you have to keep your doors locked and only allow people in if they actually seem like they are there to shop. That ain't Robson or Yaletown.
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I mean look around the area and you'll figure out that you have to keep your doors locked and only allow people in if they actually seem like they are there to shop. That ain't Robson or Yaletown.
We shouldn’t accept that and neither should business owners.
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