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View Poll Results: Who should be the next mayor of Ottawa?
Mark Sutcliffe 8 15.38%
Catherine McKenney 43 82.69%
Bob Chiarelli 1 1.92%
Other 0 0%
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Old Posted Sep 28, 2022, 11:30 PM
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I don't think he's as explicitly pro automobile as Sutcliffe. I don't have a problem with cutting under used bus routes to save money. I understand that's because I don't need to use the bus. I want a mayor closes streets to cars. Ideally works towards a congestion charge. I guess McKenney is likeliest to do that in a second term and I get those that depend on transit or public services will vote for McKenny vs those who don't pay own multiple properties and pay more property tax than income tax.
I guess the question is what is an underused bus route. Routes with poor frequency tend to be underused. Chiarelli's statements about cutting frequency in a system that has already been decimated by frequency reductions is about as pro-car a move as you can get. Sure it might help with reliability, but it will lengthen transit trips dramatically and drive anyone with a choice off of transit.
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We're in an affordability crisis. Families are feeling the pinch of inflation. We can't be reckless with spending on expensive promises like $250M on bike lanes, free transit and ⬆️ spending on transit by 20% when buses drive through our neighbourhoods almost empty.
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He's the only one talking about "free transit". This is NOT in McKenney's platform. Will he stop with his miss-information? And buses are empty in the suburb, possibly because frequency sucks. But buses within the Greenbelt, even though service sucks WORSE than the burbs, are always packed!

In any case, why is the measure of success on transit crush-loads, but empty streets and highways are never stated as a "failure". All the suburban streets near my house are empty. But I do see pedestrians. No sidewalks though. MUPs along Queen E. (I know, NCC, not the City) are packed, but Queen E. itself is relatively clear. Maybe we need more space for cyclists and pedestrians. I could keep going.

We need better transit service, we need good bike infrastructure. More alternatives will result in fewer people driving. Sutcliffe doesn't get that. Honestly, I think he may be worse than Chiarelli at this point.
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He's the only one talking about "free transit". This is NOT in McKenney's platform. Will he stop with his miss-information? And buses are empty in the suburb, possibly because frequency sucks. But buses within the Greenbelt, even though service sucks WORSE than the burbs, are always packed!

In any case, why is the measure of success on transit crush-loads, but empty streets and highways are never stated as a "failure". All the suburban streets near my house are empty. But I do see pedestrians. No sidewalks though. MUPs along Queen E. (I know, NCC, not the City) are packed, but Queen E. itself is relatively clear. Maybe we need more space for cyclists and pedestrians. I could keep going.

We need better transit service, we need good bike infrastructure. More alternatives will result in fewer people driving. Sutcliffe doesn't get that. Honestly, I think he may be worse than Chiarelli at this point.
Sutcliffe is awful. Is there a debate scheduled? And can the general public attend?
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He's the only one talking about "free transit". This is NOT in McKenney's platform. Will he stop with his miss-information? And buses are empty in the suburb, possibly because frequency sucks. But buses within the Greenbelt, even though service sucks WORSE than the burbs, are always packed!

In any case, why is the measure of success on transit crush-loads, but empty streets and highways are never stated as a "failure". All the suburban streets near my house are empty. But I do see pedestrians. No sidewalks though. MUPs along Queen E. (I know, NCC, not the City) are packed, but Queen E. itself is relatively clear. Maybe we need more space for cyclists and pedestrians. I could keep going.

We need better transit service, we need good bike infrastructure. More alternatives will result in fewer people driving. Sutcliffe doesn't get that. Honestly, I think he may be worse than Chiarelli at this point.
Infuriating. The buses being empty thing is also just flat-out not true. I take the bus from Orleans 3-days a week and since the beginning of September it's always packed, as are all the other buses I see at Blair. It's just complete nonsense. I know Orleans is the closest outer suburb, so maybe bus use in other outer suburbs is significantly less, but I find that hard to believe.
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Infuriating. The buses being empty thing is also just flat-out not true. I take the bus from Orleans 3-days a week and since the beginning of September it's always packed, as are all the other buses I see at Blair. It's just complete nonsense. I know Orleans is the closest outer suburb, so maybe bus use in other outer suburbs is significantly less, but I find that hard to believe.
Sutcliffe seems to be going all in on truthiness.
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Infuriating. The buses being empty thing is also just flat-out not true. I take the bus from Orleans 3-days a week and since the beginning of September it's always packed, as are all the other buses I see at Blair. It's just complete nonsense. I know Orleans is the closest outer suburb, so maybe bus use in other outer suburbs is significantly less, but I find that hard to believe.
There are lots of empty busses meandering around the suburbs mid-day and evenings. I think the problem is actually with our tax structure as some of those routes seemed designed solely to add the transit tax to nearby residents. I don't see why what service you get even matters. You should pay. I still pay for lots of services I don't use.

He seems to know he's losing though polls at this level very unreliable. We are a slightly leftist city and purely on personality McKenney is the clear winner.
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Here's a fantastically informative twitter thread from Bike Ottawa that's relevant to the "War on Cars" discussion:

https://twitter.com/BikeOttawa/statu...99801609007108

I didn't realize Rob Ford himself was the progenitor of the phrase.
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Here's a fantastically informative twitter thread from Bike Ottawa that's relevant to the "War on Cars" discussion:

https://twitter.com/BikeOttawa/statu...99801609007108

I didn't realize Rob Ford himself was the progenitor of the phrase.
He's not his brother but interesting to remember how radically right wing a premier we have. I guess Covid was a big constrain but also think it's the governments complete ineptness as well. We have a Minister of Education who'd like to privatize it all and yet our education system is trying to out woke California.

Personally I'm in favor of constraining cars as much as possible but there really is a war on cars which the vast majority of the middle class would be against if we had truly responsive democracy at the city level which is why at the mayor level these kind of candidates can get elected. Those of us who bike or walk by choice are a small minority still.
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Beyond the big three, Ottawa's mayoral hopefuls struggle to be heard
There are 14 people running for the city's top office, which makes it a challenge for many of them to cut through the noise

Blair Crawford, Ottawa Citizen
Sep 28, 2022 • 1 day ago • 4 minute read


Ottawa voters will have a long list to choose from when they vote for a new mayor on Oct. 24 and for candidates without the name recognition of the three perceived frontrunners, being heard above the din has been a challenge.

“I know this is a crowded campaign, but I don’t think the media assesses candidates through a good lens,” said Nour Kadri, a professor at the University of Ottawa and a businessman who pitches himself as “a coalition-builder” with a talent for innovation and problem-solving.

“(The media) made a big mistake when they ignored Trump in the leadership for the Republican party in the United States. In a crowded campaign of 14,” he said. “No one took him seriously and when he emerged the winner, a lot of people regretted that.”

Even Naheed Nenshi, who was mayor of Calgary for 11 years, polled just one per cent at the beginning of his first campaign in 2010, Noor said.

“Everyone thought he was a long shot, but the people felt differently.”

Kadri said he’s been running a shadow campaign for months, but hasn’t drawn much attention until recently. He’s attended some 450 events, taken part in three debates and is “doing what we need to do” to reach voters.

“I am seeing the city in shambles,” Kadri said, citing problems like OC Transpo’s deficit and LRT dysfunction, increasing homelessness, and policing issues, particularly since last winter’s trucker occupation.

“I thought I could either complain like everybody else or I could roll up my sleeves and be part of the solution. And I chose the second one,” said Kadri, who’s running for office for the first time, but has decades of experience with the political process.

Param Singh is a 20-year Ottawa police veteran who’s been on unpaid leave since launching his campaign in May. Singh has also been vying for attention from the media, which have so far focused on big names such as Catherine McKenney, Mark Sutcliffe and Bob Chiarelli.

“I know there’s the top three, but it is frustrating for the other candidates when we don’t get that media attention,” said Singh.

“It hasn’t been easy. But that’s part of the game,” said Singh.

Singh has been using social media and meet-and-greets with voters to explain his platform, which he says offers “a fresh perspective. A fresh face and a new way of doing business.”

As a frontline police officer, Singh says he’s seen firsthand the issues that people face every day.

“I’ve been trying to understand the problems at a fundamental level and maybe come up with solutions,” he said. “It’s nice to see city hall and bureaucrats work on legislation and bylaws, but I’m actually applying that on the practical side and sometimes I see that it doesn’t work.”

Other candidates in the crowded field of 14 are Graham MacDonald, who boasts one of the more interesting backgrounds for a political candidate. He operates Ottawa Mortuary Services, a funeral home that’s expanded into London and Toronto.

That experience, he says, has allowed him to see “firsthand, the effects of addiction and the mental health crisis plaguing our Nation’s Capital.”

Brandon Bay is a software developer who’s lived in Ottawa since 2006. His campaign promises “effective, decisive, and responsible leadership” and says Ottawa has a unique opportunity post-pandemic to transform itself.

Mike Maguire has run for mayor twice before, most successfully in 2014 when he garnered 46,000 votes or 18 per cent of the total. He finished second, but was still far behind Jim Watson who cruised to a second term.

Maguire, 61, is a management consultant who lives in Kars and told this newspaper in July that he leans more politically right than the front runners.

When asked why he was running again, Maguire responded: “When you think something that is broken, if you think you can contribute (to fixing it), you should.”

Bernard Couchman is another candidate with experience on the campaign trail, albeit not much success. He was dead last in the 2018 and 2014 mayoral races, pulling less than 0.6 per cent of the vote each time.

Gregory “Jreg” Guevara is a 25-year-old YouTuber with nearly half a million subscribers who calls himself both a libertarian and a socialist. Guevara’s “post-ironic political campaign” includes “a touch of nihilism” and advocates building a wall around the city — the “Ottawall” — and promises to make Ottawa bilingual: Frenglish and “government speak.” He outlines his positions in a satirical YouTube video that has had more than 170,000 views.

Ade Olumide, meanwhile, has spent so much time in court, most notably with the federal Conservative party, that has been declared a vexatious litigant by the Ontario Superior Court. His website includes a few policy statements on transit and policing alongside lengthy screeds about his mistreatment.

Celine Debassige is the only Indigenous candidate on the ticket, describing herself as Ojibwe & Dene, pan and poly, and as a radical socialist.

Jacob Solomon, who posted a 90-second video about his campaign, and Zed Chebib, whose campaign site links to a website advocating solutions to homelessness, are also running for mayor.

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Mark Sutcliffe says voters have a 'clear choice' of visions for Ottawa, and he's right
The former journalist and community activist laid out a vision for Ottawa that he says is balanced and reasonable, rather than the 'hard left' turn that Catherine McKenney represents

Bruce Deachman, Ottawa Citizen
Sep 29, 2022 • 11 hours ago • 4 minute read


Mayoral candidate Mark Sutcliffe makes a clear distinction between the paths he and Catherine McKenney are taking, in what he describes as essentially a two-person race for the city’s top job.

His is that of the balanced conciliator willing to listen to and work with others, regardless of where on the political spectrum they call home. His tenure, he promises, will not see a polarizing “Sutcliffe Club” on city council, of the sort for which Mayor Jim Watson was frequently criticized. The path he’s walking, then, is straight down the middle of the road, a road where pedestrians, cyclists, motorists and public-transit users will somehow sort out their differences without a war being waged on one or the other.

By contrast, the path McKenney is on, he believes, represents a “hard left turn,” despite what Sutcliffe claims are more recent efforts by the “activist” McKenney to appeal to centrist voters.

“The people of Ottawa have a clear choice between Catherine’s vision for Ottawa and my vision for Ottawa,” he said Tuesday in a 75-minute discussion with this newspaper’s editorial board.

Sutcliffe also told this newspaper he:
  • Opposes the idea of a sixth crossing over the Ottawa River, arguing that a tunnel under King Edward is the best solution to the problem of trucks rumbling through downtown
  • Wants to have a “rational discussion” about security and the future of Wellington Street, which has been closed to traffic since the “Freedom Convoy” took it over last winter. He added that he’s not opposed to reopening it, but believes any decision should be part of a bigger discussion about the future of downtown Ottawa
  • Suggests that, if elected, he would not want to run for more than two terms
  • Does not yet know what he might propose as a municipal tax hike if elected, adding that his campaign was close to releasing a financial platform soon. Why the delay? He said he wanted to provide voters with a thoughtful answer that reflected reality, including “the (projected) $85 million deficit at OC Transpo, which is probably only going to get bigger between now and the end of the year”

Sutcliffe’s platform includes about 120 promises to fix LRT, improve roads, hire more police and paramedics and address homelessness, mental health and housing issues, among other initiatives, while at the same time keeping taxes low.

“There’s a lot of anxiety about the future of Ottawa. There’s a lot of immediate anxiety around issues like affordability and the future of downtown and the future of our economy, and housing, and other issues like that,” he said, arguing those problems need a balanced, practical approach.

“I think the platform that Catherine is proposing is one that is going to be expensive. It’s going to result in bigger tax increases.”

McKenney (who uses they/them pronouns) has promised to spend $250 million over the next four years to improve Ottawa’s cycling network. They have also vowed to end chronic and family homelessness in Ottawa during their first term; freeze public transit fares — and make it free to those 17 and younger, and move Ottawa to net zero emissions by 2050.

Indeed, it appears that Sutcliffe’s fundamental differences with McKenney were a factor in his decision in June to run for the top job. He denied the suggestion that Watson or anyone else put him up to running, conceding only that numerous people over the years have suggested he run for office.

“If you’d asked me, in March or April, I would have said, ‘I will probably never run for office. I’m happy with the life I have now.’ But increasingly, I heard more and more concerns about the future of Ottawa, and I saw a race that was shaping up without a strong, balanced approach being on the table.”

That balanced approach would not, for example, borrow $250 million for bike lanes, a swipe at McKenney’s plan.

“It’s a great idea to think ‘Let’s make Ottawa a world-class cycling city.’ But we have a lot of winter in Ottawa. And we have a lot of roads that need repairing. And we have to make choices. If you’re investing $250 million in bike lanes, you’re not investing somewhere else. That’s just a reality.”

On Tuesday, he said that he thought he could keep tax increases low by finding efficiencies and improvements in the city’s operations without job losses or “cutting significantly into the services that people want and care about.”

Sutcliffe reiterated that he would not be a “big projects” type of mayor.

“I have kids — maybe someday I’ll have grandkids — and I want them to grow up in the same kind of city I grew up in, that was safe and affordable.”

Sutcliffe’s vision for Ottawa isn’t what a lot of people would describe as particularly “visionary.” That is, it’s safe rather than imaginative, more cautious than daring. It is, in a word, very Ottawa. And he’s right that voters have a choice of two very different paths.

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The way some of these articles inadvertently end up being backhanded in their attempt to be glowing. Like someone attempting to hype up a pet rock: "safe rather than imaginative or visionary."
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Yeah, I've been reading up on articles and the candidates' websites to form my own opinions.

Both of them seem to stay pretty "middle of the road" in terms of issues and promises. I believe Ottawa needs someone with vision and ideas to help grow the city from the mid-sized quiet government town is used to be to a new, vibrant and lively work/live/play city it should be.

Unfortunately for me, these last few sentences in that article about Sutcliffe not being a big project person, wanting his kids/grandkids to live in the same "same type of city" he grew up in and a safe vs. visionary vision for Ottawa sorta puts the nails in that coffin.

I'm not sure how visionary McKenney will be, but I have a feeling they have a bit more willingness and creativity to try different things in Ottawa.
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Yeah, I've been reading up on articles and the candidates' websites to form my own opinions.

Both of them seem to stay pretty "middle of the road" in terms of issues and promises. I believe Ottawa needs someone with vision and ideas to help grow the city from the mid-sized quiet government town is used to be to a new, vibrant and lively work/live/play city it should be.

Unfortunately for me, these last few sentences in that article about Sutcliffe not being a big project person, wanting his kids/grandkids to live in the same "same type of city" he grew up in and a safe vs. visionary vision for Ottawa sorta puts the nails in that coffin.

I'm not sure how visionary McKenney will be, but I have a feeling they have a bit more willingness and creativity to try different things in Ottawa.
Yet Sutcliffe is said by some to be the developers' candidate. Favoring development is not consistent with "same type Of city" he grew up in.

Am I wrong in saying that Sutcliffe is the only candidate who says hewants Lansdowne 2.0 to proceed?
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I'm sure Sutcliffe realizes he can't win urban/central Ottawa so he's differentiating himself by playing to Ottawa's conservative leaning, suburban base. He will probably win because of that. Roads, police, kids, low taxes. I just don't see McKenney winning over a majority of people in communities beyond the greenbelt.
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Yet Sutcliffe is said by some to be the developers' candidate. Favoring development is not consistent with "same type Of city" he grew up in.

Am I wrong in saying that Sutcliffe is the only candidate who says hewants Lansdowne 2.0 to proceed?
Actually, out of control suburban sprawl destroying thousands of acres of forest and farmland purchased by developer friends, and Lansdowne 2.0’s sketchy back room sole source contract is exactly the “same type of city" he grew up in. I don’t understand how anyone is gullible enough to fall for Sutcliffe’s BS. It’s so obvious. Lansdowne 2.0 needs to be analyzed. Giving a blank cheque to Trinity without reviewing everything thoroughly is wildly inappropriate. Allowing Tewin to to be developed on lands deemed undevelopable without any analysis into how much it will cost the city to service or transportation analysis is also wildly inappropriate. Anyone with a brain can tell Sutcliffe is just Watson 2.0 who was hand picked to fulfill back room promises to developers.

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I'm sure Sutcliffe realizes he can't win urban/central Ottawa so he's differentiating himself by playing to Ottawa's conservative leaning, suburban base. He will probably win because of that. Roads, police, kids, low taxes. I just don't see McKenney winning over a majority of people in communities beyond the greenbelt.
You actually believe the suburban and rural conservatives will outvote the urban and suburban left leaning votes? Look at past federal and provincial elections, Ottawa (including most of the outer greenbelt) is predominantly left wing. Even the ridings that went conservative were from Lib/NDP vote splitting. Sutcliffe is trying to make this right vs left, but it will likely backfire for him, and McKenny will probably win.
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You actually believe the suburban and rural conservatives will outvote the urban and suburban left leaning votes? Look at past federal and provincial elections, Ottawa (including most of the outer greenbelt) is predominantly left wing. Even the ridings that went conservative were from Lib/NDP vote splitting. Sutcliffe is trying to make this right vs left, but it will likely backfire for him, and McKenny will probably win.
Yeah, I do believe it but some of that might be mental preparation in case Sutcliffe wins haha. I feel like Ottawa is fairly conservative overall even if they vote/lean "left" in federal/provincial elections. I hope you're right though.
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Yeah, I do believe it but some of that might be mental preparation in case Sutcliffe wins haha. I feel like Ottawa is fairly conservative overall even if they vote/lean "left" in federal/provincial elections. I hope you're right though.
It is very possible to be left leaning on the big issues that affect the world, but conservative on the issues that are in your own backyard (Ottawa).

I have a feeling that Ottawans can be described as being like that.

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“I have kids — maybe someday I’ll have grandkids — and I want them to grow up in the same kind of city I grew up in, that was safe and affordable.”
Am I the only one who sees this as a bit of a dog whistle? “Same kind” kind of seems dodgy phrasing. Especially when paired with ‘safe’.
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