Public Disorder & the Decline of Vancouver's Livability

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by officedweller

That would go a ways to the public understanding the scope of the issues at hand.

Yeah, actually getting a conviction for petty theft isn't that easy. Just imagine how many times they have gotten away with it.

[204]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

You really don't understand statistics do you?

Statistics can be used to prove or disprove absolutely anything. Social statistics, especially, can be manipulated and used as tools to fulfil political objectives.

I've had some scary encounters in DT Vancouver over the years. Had to run from a deranged methhead with a steak knife when I was on the way to work at 6AM. Ex-roomie had a guy try to run him over on the sidewalk with his scooter. Should I go on?

Guess what? We didn't report any of these instances. So your statistics mean NOTHING.

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by 204

I've had some scary encounters in DT Vancouver over the years. Had to run from a deranged methhead with a steak knife when I was on the way to work at 6AM.

As per the resident crime apologists, this is just part and parcel of living in any major city. Haven't you hear that being chased with a steak knife is something anyone living in a major city is expected to encounter and you just have to keep street smarts about it. No Biggie.

[Klazu]

Originally Posted by Conrad Yablonski

Translink flees Chinatown with it's chaos crime & filth

Not gonna lie, this is exactly what crossed also my mind when I heard of the move, although Waterfront is not much better in terms of safety.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by Klazu

... Haven't you hear that being chased with a steak knife is something anyone living in a major city is expected to encounter and you just have to keep street smarts about it...

And yet it very much is.

2022: Man with knife arrested after allegedly chasing another man in Etobicoke

2021: Summer evening in London’s Hyde Park shattered by machete-wielding group

2022: Police kill man wielding knife at Paris station

2021: Man dressed in Joker costume wielding knife injures 17 passengers on Tokyo train

2022: Five Blade-Related Incidents In Singapore In 2022 So Far

Is this in any way acceptable? No. Is this par for the course? Yes. Is authoritarianism going to solve anything? Only in certain people's dreams.

The whole planet's ducked up right now. Probably always has been - there's just more reporters now.

[wabooba]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

And yet it very much is.



Is this in any way acceptable? No. Is this par for the course? Yes. Is authoritarianism going to solve anything? Only in certain people's dreams.

The whole planet's ducked up right now. Probably always has been - there are just more reporters now.

I think you're right on all counts, and that crimes of all sorts that shock us now have always been happening throughout human history in one manner or another.
And yes, there is more reporting now, and more media coverage and access to it all.
That said, I think that with today's much larger world population, migration patterns, wars, lifestyle changes, and breakdown of civility, these things are also on the increase in and of themselves, as well.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by 204

Statistics can be used to prove or disprove absolutely anything. Social statistics, especially, can be manipulated and used as tools to fulfil political objectives.

I've had some scary encounters in DT Vancouver over the years. Had to run from a deranged methhead with a steak knife when I was on the way to work at 6AM. Ex-roomie had a guy try to run him over on the sidewalk with his scooter. Should I go on?

Guess what? We didn't report any of these instances. So your statistics mean NOTHING.

If you didn't report those incidents, that's on you.

But it also means that many other people don't report things that happen. It's not great, but we're looking at trends here.

Back to the case in point, Vin doesn't understand that you're far more likely to get injured by a car than a rando downtown.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

If you didn't report those incidents, that's on you.

But it also means that many other people don't report things that happen. It's not great, but we're looking at trends here.

Back to the case in point, Vin doesn't understand that you're far more likely to get injured by a car than a rando downtown.

Fact is that the guy, and many others, have had bad encounters, while many bozos keep insisting the area is safe.

[Vin]

This City first killed off historic DTES, and now Chinatown. I wonder when Gastown would be killed off too.

Closing up shop: Vancouver's Chinatown battered by crime, COVID-19 and dirty streets
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c...natown-vacancy-crime-vandalism-1.5907997

'No life there now': Iconic Chinatown store bids community farewell after 27 years
https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/local...iness-kitchen-store-closing-down-5556661

‘It’s like a war zone’: Chinatown businesses say crisis on the ground needs urgent fix
https://globalnews.ca/news/8058533/vancouver-chinatown-crisis-vandalism/

Investigation: Is Vancouver’s Chinatown dying?
https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/local-news/investigation-is-vancouvers-chinatown-dying-3882162

[Vin]

Must be another case of a drug-crazed zombie....

Woman randomly attacked with hammer while walking in downtown Vancouver
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/woman-randomly-attacked-hammer
Shaundrea Janette Lynxleg has been charged with assault with a weapon and remains in custody.

[EastVanMark]

Who cares about business anyways. A live event has been cancelled because of safety concerns over a tent city setting up in front of their front doors.

Wouldn’t dream of moving that out of there and helping the business owner.
Someone’s feelings may get hurt and we can’t have that

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/shows-cancelled-du...atre-near-vancouver-encampment-1.6085554

[hollywoodnorth]

Originally Posted by Vin

Must be another case of a drug-crazed zombie....

https://www.reddit.com/r/vancouver/comments/xovw74/vpd_makes_arrest_in_unprovoked_downtown_assault/

interesting points being raised in the reddit thread on this.

[Vin]

I attended the Mayoral candidate forum at SFU this morning, and Kennedy Stewart had the gall to say that the City cannot solve its problems through arrests. Why aren't I surprised at the state of Vancouver now? I quite liked what NPA candidate Fred Harding had to say regarding safety and crime in this City. At least he used to be a cop at London's Metropolitan Police, as well as West Vancouver PD, and so he knows what he is talking about.

Originally Posted by hollywoodnorth

https://www.reddit.com/r/vancouver/comments/xovw74/vpd_makes_arrest_in_unprovoked_downtown_assault/

interesting points being raised in the reddit thread on this.

My take on this: Lock those violent criminals to the fullest extent possible. Who cares if they were traumatized as a kid? As long as you are a danger to society, you should be locked up and pay the price for your crime, full stop. At least this will send a message of deterrence to those who think they can get away with doing anything they want, and that include abusing drugs.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by EastVanMark

Who cares about business anyways. A live event has been cancelled because of safety concerns over a tent city setting up in front of their front doors.

Wouldn’t dream of moving that out of there and helping the business owner.
Someone’s feelings may get hurt and we can’t have that

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/shows-cancelled-du...atre-near-vancouver-encampment-1.6085554

Ken Sim from ABC seems to want to promote Vancouver as a business destination. I hope if he becomes mayor, he can be tough on crime and disorderliness. I say we have zero tolerance on illegal camping and loitering, etc. Remove all the belongings and take them to the City property-lock-up. Want them back? Pay a fine. Need money to pay for it? Work for the City in garbage collection, etc. We need to crack down hard if we want to eradicate all the scourge of this City.

[Vin]

Another day, another attack......

Vancouver student hit over the head with pole in random attack
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/student-random-police-attack
A 19-year-old student was randomly attacked in downtown Vancouver Monday morning by a man wielding a pole who shouted a racist slur at her. The man allegedly hit her over the back of the head with a pole, used a racist slur, and continued making “offensive comments” as he fled the area, police said in a news release.
“Although there were other people walking in the block at the time of the assault, they couldn’t have prevented the attack because it was so sudden,” Const. Jason Doucette said.

For those in this Forum who keep claiming that Vancouver's downtown is safe, can you look at this 19-year-old lady in the eye and repeat your nonsense?

[Migrant_Coconut]

Tell it to New York, where there's 45 assaults a day, not 4. Local tabloids will always have a sob story for gullible readers.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Tell it to New York, where there's 45 assaults a day, not 4. Local tabloids will always have a sob story for gullible readers.

You don't understand, there's a reason why New York has over 10x as many assaults, the New York metropolitan area has way more people than Greater Vancouver with *checks notes* just under 10x as many people.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Migrant_Coconut

Tell it to New York, where there's 45 assaults a day, not 4. Local tabloids will always have a sob story for gullible readers.

Do you aspire to be like them? If not, then let's push our authorities to do something about it today before it gets out of hand like the dump New York. Gullible to think that as long as we are better than the worst of the lot, everything is A-OK. More like pure foolishness.

Comparing us with the US is the worst sort of lame excuse that anyone can come up with.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by Vin

Do you aspire to be like them? If not, then let's push our authorities to do something about it today before it gets out of hand like the dump New York. Gullible to think that as long as we are better than the worst of the lot, everything is A-OK. More like pure foolishness.

Comparing us with the US is the worst sort of lame excuse that anyone can come up with.

You're the one who keeps saying other cities have it better, not me; they don't.

"Safe" Calgary has 6, despite having a smaller population than Vancouver. Toronto has 25. It's almost like things are bad everywhere and people shouldn't measure crime by the number of BuzzFeed articles they click on.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Vin

Do you aspire to be like them? If not, then let's push our authorities to do something about it today before it gets out of hand like the dump New York. Gullible to think that as long as we are better than the worst of the lot, everything is A-OK. More like pure foolishness.

Comparing us with the US is the worst sort of lame excuse that anyone can come up with.

Did you stand up and ask a question at the Mayor's forum?