Canadian LRT/RT projects U/C

[J.OT13]

The 2012 Line 1 contract in Ottawa was given to the cheapest, but they also had the best score. But that may be because they proposed low-floor LRT instead of light-metro like another one of the bidders. So extra points given for dumb things.

Stage 2 was also the cheapest bidders. The East-West winning bid was middle of the pack in terms of technical score, so that's acceptable. Stage 2 South however, the cheapest bid, the winning bid, didn't even pass the technical score. After re-scoring, they again failed. But hey cheapest bid, right!? And now the very simple Stage 2 South is at least a year late and most days barely anyone is on site, while East is on time still and West is a year late, but that's understandable as it's a far more complicated project (significant tunneling involved).

So yeah, cheapest bid is never the way to go. Balance of price and technical score/experience should be considered.

[ericmacm]

I have made an updated version of the projects list for 2022:

Under Construction:

• Edmonton - Valley Line Southeast (ETS) - 12 Stations - 13km - 2023
• Ottawa - Trillium Line Stage 2 South (OC Transpo) - 8 Stations - 16km - 2023
• Toronto - Line 5 Eglinton / Crosstown LRT (TTC) - 25 Stations - 19km - 2023
• Toronto - Line 6 Finch West / Finch LRT (TTC) - 18 Stations - 11km - 2023
• Montreal - Réseau Express Métropolitain (CDPQi) - 26 Stations - 67km - 2024
• Mississauga - Hurontario LRT (Metrolinx) - 19 Stations - 18km - 2024
• Ottawa - Confederation Line Stage 2 East (OC Transpo) - 5 Stations - 12km - 2024
• Edmonton - Metro Line Northwest (ETS) - 9 Stations - 11km - 2024/2025
• Ottawa - Confederation Line Stage 2 West (OC Transpo) - 11 Stations - 15km - 2025
• Vancouver - Millennium Line / Broadway Subway Phase 1 (TransLink) - 6 Stations - 5.7km - 2025
• Edmonton - Valley Line West (ETS) - 16 Stations - 14km - 2025/2026
• Calgary - Green Line Stage 1 (CT) - 15 Stations - 20km - 2027
• Montreal - Blue Line Extension (STM) - 5 Stations - 5.8km - 2029
• Toronto - Line 2 Bloor-Danforth / Scarborough Extension - 3 Stations - 7.8km - 2029/2030
• Toronto - Ontario Line (Metrolinx) - 15 Stations - 15.5km - 2030
• Toronto - Line 5 Eglinton / West Extension (TTC) - 7 Stations - 9.2km - 2030/2031

Planned:

• Hamilton - Hamilton LRT (Metrolinx) - 17 Stations - 14km - Start 2023
• Calgary - Green Line Stage 2 North (CT) - 9 Stations - 15km - Start 2023
• Calgary - Green Line Stage 3 Southeast (CT) - 5 Stations - 5km - Start 2024
• Vancouver - Expo Line / Surrey Langley Line Phase 1 (TransLink) - 4 Stations - 7km - Start 2024
• Toronto - Line 1 Yonge-University / Yonge North Subway Extension (TTC) - 6 Stations - 7.4km - Start 2025+
• Ottawa - Confederation Line Stage 3 Kanata (OC Transpo) - 8 Stations - 11km - Start 2025+
• Ottawa - Confederation Line Stage 3 Barrhaven (OC Transpo) - 7 Stations - 10km - Start 2025+
• Gatineau - Tramway Hull-Aylmer (STO) - 18 Stations - 26km - Start 2025+
• Kitchener-Waterloo - ION Phase 2 (Grand River Transit) - 8 Stations - 18km - Start 2025+
• Quebec City - Réseau Express de la Capitale Tramway (RTC) - 24 Stations - 19.3km - Start 2025+
• Edmonton - Capital Line South (ETS) - 2 Stations - 4.5km - 2025+
• Edmonton - Capital Line Northeast (ETS) - 1 Station - 2.9km - 2025+
• Montreal - Réseau Express Métropolitain de l'Est (CDPQi) - 23 Stations - 32km - 2025+
• Longueuil - LEEO (RTL) - 14 Stations - ??km - Start 2025+

Completed:

• Edmonton - Metro Line (ETS) - 3 Stations - 3.3km - Opened September 6, 2015
• Vancouver - Evergreen Line (TransLink) - 6 Stations - 11km - Opened December 2, 2016
• Toronto - Line 1 Yonge-University / Vaughan Extension (TTC) - 6 Stations - 8.6km - Opened December 27, 2017
• Kitchener-Waterloo - ION Phase 1 (Grand River Transit) - 16 Stations - 19km - Opened June 21, 2019
• Ottawa - Confederation Line (OC Transpo) - 13 Stations - 12.5km - Opened September 14, 2019

[ssiguy]

Yes, I meant following Ottawa's lead by it's P3 and by the complete incompetence of City Hall's oversight.

[ssiguy]

ericmacm................many thanks for the list of RT planned/under construction/completed projects.

If I can add, however. that not all rapid transit runs on steel wheels. BRT is also RT and can often be faster, more convenient, more reliable, and more cost effective than rail. There is no such thing as a "one size fits all" transit service. Winnipeg's BRT is a hell of a lot more reliable and faster than Finch LRT ever will be.

It's a shame BRT doesn't get the respect it deserves as it is often the far superior choice. With the advent of battery/hydrogen buses and hence zero emissions, far quiet and smoother rides, and far less maintenance, BRT is often the better way to go.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

ericmacm................many thanks for the list of RT planned/under construction/completed projects.

If I can add, however. that not all rapid transit runs on steel wheels. BRT is also RT and can often be faster, more convenient, more reliable, and more cost effective than rail. There is no such thing as a "one size fits all" transit service. Winnipeg's BRT is a hell of a lot more reliable and faster than Finch LRT ever will be.

It's a shame BRT doesn't get the respect it deserves as it is often the far superior choice. With the advent of battery/hydrogen buses and hence zero emissions, far quiet and smoother rides, and far less maintenance, BRT is often the better way to go.

How will a street running RT be faster than a reserved ROW?

[Metro-One]

The Vancouver Expo Line expansion to Langley is going ahead as a single phase, so it should be 16km, not 7.

[Nite]

is it possible to add GO Expansion to the list above, it's not in a single city however.

[Luisito]

Originally Posted by ericmacm

I have made an updated version of the projects list for 2022:

Under Construction:

• Edmonton - Valley Line Southeast (ETS) - 12 Stations - 13km - 2023
• Ottawa - Trillium Line Stage 2 South (OC Transpo) - 8 Stations - 16km - 2023
• Toronto - Line 5 Eglinton / Crosstown LRT (TTC) - 25 Stations - 19km - 2023
• Toronto - Line 6 Finch West / Finch LRT (TTC) - 18 Stations - 11km - 2023
• Montreal - Réseau Express Métropolitain (CDPQi) - 26 Stations - 67km - 2024
• Mississauga - Hurontario LRT (Metrolinx) - 19 Stations - 18km - 2024
• Ottawa - Confederation Line Stage 2 East (OC Transpo) - 5 Stations - 12km - 2024
• Edmonton - Metro Line Northwest (ETS) - 9 Stations - 11km - 2024/2025
• Ottawa - Confederation Line Stage 2 West (OC Transpo) - 11 Stations - 15km - 2025
• Vancouver - Millennium Line / Broadway Subway Phase 1 (TransLink) - 6 Stations - 5.7km - 2025
• Edmonton - Valley Line West (ETS) - 16 Stations - 14km - 2025/2026
• Calgary - Green Line Stage 1 (CT) - 15 Stations - 20km - 2027
• Montreal - Blue Line Extension (STM) - 5 Stations - 5.8km - 2029
• Toronto - Line 2 Bloor-Danforth / Scarborough Extension - 3 Stations - 7.8km - 2029/2030
• Toronto - Ontario Line (Metrolinx) - 15 Stations - 15.5km - 2030
• Toronto - Line 5 Eglinton / West Extension (TTC) - 7 Stations - 9.2km - 2030/2031

Planned:

• Hamilton - Hamilton LRT (Metrolinx) - 17 Stations - 14km - Start 2023
• Calgary - Green Line Stage 2 North (CT) - 9 Stations - 15km - Start 2023
• Calgary - Green Line Stage 3 Southeast (CT) - 5 Stations - 5km - Start 2024
• Vancouver - Expo Line / Surrey Langley Line Phase 1 (TransLink) - 4 Stations - 7km - Start 2024
• Toronto - Line 1 Yonge-University / Yonge North Subway Extension (TTC) - 6 Stations - 7.4km - Start 2025+
• Ottawa - Confederation Line Stage 3 Kanata (OC Transpo) - 8 Stations - 11km - Start 2025+
• Ottawa - Confederation Line Stage 3 Barrhaven (OC Transpo) - 7 Stations - 10km - Start 2025+
• Gatineau - Tramway Hull-Aylmer (STO) - 18 Stations - 26km - Start 2025+
• Kitchener-Waterloo - ION Phase 2 (Grand River Transit) - 8 Stations - 18km - Start 2025+
• Quebec City - Réseau Express de la Capitale Tramway (RTC) - 24 Stations - 19.3km - Start 2025+
• Edmonton - Capital Line South (ETS) - 2 Stations - 4.5km - 2025+
• Edmonton - Capital Line Northeast (ETS) - 1 Station - 2.9km - 2025+
• Montreal - Réseau Express Métropolitain de l'Est (CDPQi) - 23 Stations - 32km - 2025+
• Longueuil - LEEO (RTL) - 14 Stations - ??km - Start 2025+

Completed:

• Edmonton - Metro Line (ETS) - 3 Stations - 3.3km - Opened September 6, 2015
• Vancouver - Evergreen Line (TransLink) - 6 Stations - 11km - Opened December 2, 2016
• Toronto - Line 1 Yonge-University / Vaughan Extension (TTC) - 6 Stations - 8.6km - Opened December 27, 2017
• Kitchener-Waterloo - ION Phase 1 (Grand River Transit) - 16 Stations - 19km - Opened June 21, 2019
• Ottawa - Confederation Line (OC Transpo) - 13 Stations - 12.5km - Opened September 14, 2019

Thank you for the list. Hope to see Winnipeg on there in the near future.....Or at least before I die.LOL

Cool to see Hamilton, Quebec city and Longueil getting Lrt systems.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

ericmacm................many thanks for the list of RT planned/under construction/completed projects.

If I can add, however. that not all rapid transit runs on steel wheels. BRT is also RT and can often be faster, more convenient, more reliable, and more cost effective than rail. There is no such thing as a "one size fits all" transit service. Winnipeg's BRT is a hell of a lot more reliable and faster than Finch LRT ever will be.

It's a shame BRT doesn't get the respect it deserves as it is often the far superior choice. With the advent of battery/hydrogen buses and hence zero emissions, far quiet and smoother rides, and far less maintenance, BRT is often the better way to go.

Yeah. Stage 1 Ottawa's entire network is just a conversion of BRT. Stage 1 was important for capacity reasons. Stage 2 is needed to make Stage 1 workable, but Stage 3 is many Billions to convert a perfectly good bus system that serves suburban commuters, many of which work from home, at least part time.

We have a few BRTs that have been approved and ready to build for years, but I don't think the City has made any official funding requests because they are so obsessed with getting rail as deep into the suburbs as possible. Those projects would provide huge improvements to service within the Greenbelt and within the suburbs as well.

Looking at all the Toronto and GTA projects, I wish Queen's Park would throw us a few hundred million in chump-change to get those going.

[SkahHigh]

Originally Posted by ericmacm

I have made an updated version of the projects list for 2022:

Under Construction:

• Edmonton - Valley Line Southeast (ETS) - 12 Stations - 13km - 2023
• Ottawa - Trillium Line Stage 2 South (OC Transpo) - 8 Stations - 16km - 2023
• Toronto - Line 5 Eglinton / Crosstown LRT (TTC) - 25 Stations - 19km - 2023
• Toronto - Line 6 Finch West / Finch LRT (TTC) - 18 Stations - 11km - 2023
• Montreal - Réseau Express Métropolitain (CDPQi) - 26 Stations - 67km - 2024
• Mississauga - Hurontario LRT (Metrolinx) - 19 Stations - 18km - 2024
• Ottawa - Confederation Line Stage 2 East (OC Transpo) - 5 Stations - 12km - 2024
• Edmonton - Metro Line Northwest (ETS) - 9 Stations - 11km - 2024/2025
• Ottawa - Confederation Line Stage 2 West (OC Transpo) - 11 Stations - 15km - 2025
• Vancouver - Millennium Line / Broadway Subway Phase 1 (TransLink) - 6 Stations - 5.7km - 2025
• Edmonton - Valley Line West (ETS) - 16 Stations - 14km - 2025/2026
• Calgary - Green Line Stage 1 (CT) - 15 Stations - 20km - 2027
• Montreal - Blue Line Extension (STM) - 5 Stations - 5.8km - 2029
• Toronto - Line 2 Bloor-Danforth / Scarborough Extension - 3 Stations - 7.8km - 2029/2030
• Toronto - Ontario Line (Metrolinx) - 15 Stations - 15.5km - 2030
• Toronto - Line 5 Eglinton / West Extension (TTC) - 7 Stations - 9.2km - 2030/2031

Planned:

• Hamilton - Hamilton LRT (Metrolinx) - 17 Stations - 14km - Start 2023
• Calgary - Green Line Stage 2 North (CT) - 9 Stations - 15km - Start 2023
• Calgary - Green Line Stage 3 Southeast (CT) - 5 Stations - 5km - Start 2024
• Vancouver - Expo Line / Surrey Langley Line Phase 1 (TransLink) - 4 Stations - 7km - Start 2024
• Toronto - Line 1 Yonge-University / Yonge North Subway Extension (TTC) - 6 Stations - 7.4km - Start 2025+
• Ottawa - Confederation Line Stage 3 Kanata (OC Transpo) - 8 Stations - 11km - Start 2025+
• Ottawa - Confederation Line Stage 3 Barrhaven (OC Transpo) - 7 Stations - 10km - Start 2025+
• Gatineau - Tramway Hull-Aylmer (STO) - 18 Stations - 26km - Start 2025+
• Kitchener-Waterloo - ION Phase 2 (Grand River Transit) - 8 Stations - 18km - Start 2025+
• Quebec City - Réseau Express de la Capitale Tramway (RTC) - 24 Stations - 19.3km - Start 2025+
• Edmonton - Capital Line South (ETS) - 2 Stations - 4.5km - 2025+
• Edmonton - Capital Line Northeast (ETS) - 1 Station - 2.9km - 2025+
• Montreal - Réseau Express Métropolitain de l'Est (CDPQi) - 23 Stations - 32km - 2025+
• Longueuil - LEEO (RTL) - 14 Stations - ??km - Start 2025+

Completed:

• Edmonton - Metro Line (ETS) - 3 Stations - 3.3km - Opened September 6, 2015
• Vancouver - Evergreen Line (TransLink) - 6 Stations - 11km - Opened December 2, 2016
• Toronto - Line 1 Yonge-University / Vaughan Extension (TTC) - 6 Stations - 8.6km - Opened December 27, 2017
• Kitchener-Waterloo - ION Phase 1 (Grand River Transit) - 16 Stations - 19km - Opened June 21, 2019
• Ottawa - Confederation Line (OC Transpo) - 13 Stations - 12.5km - Opened September 14, 2019

Thank you so much! Will update, really don't have as much time as I used to

[samne]

Eglinton Crosstown LRT delayed another year…

The source says the major issues causing the delay are related to construction of underground stations, particularly at Yonge Street and Eglinton Avenue. Most of the underground stations are behind schedule.


At Yonge and Eglinton, the delay is due to the difficult engineering involved in digging and building under the existing subway station, the source says.

The source says the very earliest that the line could be operational is about a year from now. Metrolinx, the regional transit agency in charge of the project, doesn't want to launch the service with many issues unresolved, the source says.

Most of issues in the underground stations…




http://https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6593957


On a positive note, Ive seen them testing trains at grade in Scarborough and they look really sharp. I think I counted 4 cars connected that could easily carry 100 passengers.

[J.OT13]

Originally Posted by samne

Eglinton Crosstown LRT delayed another year…

Most of issues in the underground stations…

This thing has been u/c for 10 years now? This thing better be flawless once it opens.

[samne]

Originally Posted by J.OT13

This thing has been u/c for 10 years now? This thing better be flawless once it opens.

11 years actually. Started in 2011. I get it, a lot of existing infrastructure to deal with in congested areas like Yonge and Eglinton but scheduling is considerably off. Curious if all the condo development along the corridor and at Yonge and Eglinton created issues and effected scheduling.

[ssiguy]

Originally Posted by swimmer_spe

How will a street running RT be faster than a reserved ROW?

BRT also has reserved ROW whether that be it's own corridors like MiWay/ Winnipeg or on roads with bus-only lanes like London.

BRT also offers the flexibility of interlining which is very important especially in mid-size cities. The distances to travel are obviously smaller and having to take the LRT often means waiting for the bus, then transferring onto the LRT as opposed to just taking a single bus using regular routes and then going onto the BRT. These transfers in small/midsize cities can make the "rapid" transit a longer trip than just the regular bus they use to take.

BRT also means not having to have separate garage/maintenance facilities which is a disproportionately high expense for smaller systems.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by ssiguy

BRT also has reserved ROW whether that be it's own corridors like MiWay/ Winnipeg or on roads with bus-only lanes like London.

BRT also offers the flexibility of interlining which is very important especially in mid-size cities. The distances to travel are obviously smaller and having to take the LRT often means waiting for the bus, then transferring onto the LRT as opposed to just taking a single bus using regular routes and then going onto the BRT. These transfers in small/midsize cities can make the "rapid" transit a longer trip than just the regular bus they use to take.

BRT also means not having to have separate garage/maintenance facilities which is a disproportionately high expense for smaller systems.

BRT sometimes does not. For some reason, I thought the reserved lane was only during rush hour, which really isn't what I would consider a dedicated ROW.

[Luisito]

Delayed by another year....again? I hate to think how long they will take for other projects like the Scarborough extension, the Ontario line and the elecrtification of the Go trains.

Originally Posted by samne

Eglinton Crosstown LRT delayed another year…



Most of issues in the underground stations…




http://https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6593957


On a positive note, Ive seen them testing trains at grade in Scarborough and they look really sharp. I think I counted 4 cars connected that could easily carry 100 passengers.

[Nite]

Crosstown Stations Update

• Video Link

[Nite]

Originally Posted by Luisito

Delayed by another year....again? I hate to think how long they will take for other projects like the Scarborough extension, the Ontario line and the electrification of the Go trains.

Eglinton station is the only thing keeping the line from opening up this year.
The key things for keep this projects timeline on track is to start the the most time consuming part first and not at the same time as the rest of the project.

[swimmer_spe]

Originally Posted by Nite

Eglinton station is the only thing keeping the line from opening up this year.
The key things for keep this projects timeline on track is to start the the most time consuming part first and not at the same time as the rest of the project.

What is the issue with Eglinton Station?

[Innsertnamehere]

They had a hell of a time underpinning the existing line 1 station as there were apparently a ton of unanticipated utilities, structural elements, etc. under the original 1954 station.

It's moving now as the underpinning is finally completed, but it took a long time to get there.

Apparently Eglinton West went a lot smoother as the records on what existed under the station were a lot more accurate.