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There are a few French-style signage uses in Quebec, for example this one used in roundabouts (photo actually not too far from my house):

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"Vous n'avez pas la priorité" is an interesting local addition I've never seen before. It's certainly necessary because I'm convinced people in Quebec do not understand the concept of a yield sign, nor a four-way stop for that matter. So many people have an attitude of "I'm here so it's my turn."

Of course the road designs don't help. Nearly every autoroute on-ramp is a yield, but everyone treats them like a merge.
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"Vous n'avez pas la priorité" is an interesting local addition I've never seen before. It's certainly necessary because I'm convinced people in Quebec do not understand the concept of a yield sign, nor a four-way stop for that matter. So many people have an attitude of "I'm here so it's my turn."
Could be true, but every accident I have seen on the three Allumettières roundabouts involves some dude with an Ontario plate.
     
     
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"Vous n'avez pas la priorité" is an interesting local addition I've never seen before. It's certainly necessary because I'm convinced people in Quebec do not understand the concept of a yield sign, nor a four-way stop for that matter. So many people have an attitude of "I'm here so it's my turn."

Of course the road designs don't help. Nearly every autoroute on-ramp is a yield, but everyone treats them like a merge.
I can’t recall any roundabout without the “Vous n’avez pas la priorité” sign — made necessary by the fact that you can’t risk anyone applying this general principle to roundabouts; guaranteed accident right there.
     
     
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Could be true, but every accident I have seen on the three Allumettières roundabouts involves some dude with an Ontario plate.
Is that a contradiction or a confirmation?
     
     
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Is that a contradiction or a confirmation?
I... I don't know.
     
     
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I can’t recall any roundabout without the “Vous n’avez pas la priorité” sign — made necessary by the fact that you can’t risk anyone applying this general principle to roundabouts; guaranteed accident right there.
You're right! I just looked at a bunch of roundabouts around Quebec and it's a toss-up between "vous n'avez pas la priorité" and "cédez le passage." I guess I just never paid attention to the text when I've driven through them.
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Roundabout in Ontario. In the east end suburbs of Canada's capital Ottawa, where they use bilingual signage.

https://www.google.com/maps/@45.464422,-...1xMIESCfzfncHNHcaB1zA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
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Legault approval remains lowest recorded during his term
In Quebec, the provincial election is well underway, with Coalition Avenir Québec and party leader François Legault seeking a second majority after winning control of the legislature in 2018. Legault appears to be in the driver’s seat ahead of the Oct. 3 election but has seen a diminution in his personal appeal this year. Slightly more than two-in-five (43%) Quebec residents approve of his performance, statistically tied with the lowest number recorded during his four years as premier. Legault has challenges if his party is, indeed, returned to power. Tense dealings with the federal government, as well as debates over the future of health care and privatization will ensure that Legault has his hands full in the coming months.



     
     
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Everyone can see that. The “problem” is that there are five main parties and four of them have popular support in the low double digits (while the fifth one, CAQ, has a well-distributed ~40% of the popular vote).

Legault has (wisely) done everything he could to make it a binary election between his party and the nuttiest of the five parties — the one with the most solid ceiling / least electable.
     
     
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Everyone can see that. The “problem” is that there are five main parties and four of them have popular support in the low double digits (while the fifth one, CAQ, has a well-distributed ~40% of the popular vote).

Legault has (wisely) done everything he could to make it a binary election between his party and the nuttiest of the five parties — the one with the most solid ceiling / least electable.
I was checking the results from 2018 this morning and the CAQ got about the same percentage that they are polling at right now - a couple of points just below 40%.

But this time there are four parties dividing up the rest of the vote, as opposed to three last time.

Which if this keeps up should translate into even more seats for the CAQ.
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"Vous n'avez pas la priorité" is an interesting local addition I've never seen before. It's certainly necessary because I'm convinced people in Quebec do not understand the concept of a yield sign, nor a four-way stop for that matter. So many people have an attitude of "I'm here so it's my turn."

Of course the road designs don't help. Nearly every autoroute on-ramp is a yield, but everyone treats them like a merge.

Last time I drove in Montreal I got aggressively honked at for slowing down at a yield sign off the Metropolitan. Made the same comment as you in a bar later after observing people at yields and was told in full seriousness that yield signs are equivalent to merge in Quebec. I was incredulous at the time but also didn’t have enough info to disprove it. Finally proved correct!
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Yep. I've driven in quite a few countries around the world and the closest equivalent to Quebec I can think of would be Thailand. Janky infrastructure but you're fine if you just drive intuitively instead of trying to figure out the rules.

(This mainly applies to suburban areas and expressways, not urban areas, which tend to be more orderly. I actually think that driving in central Montreal is much less stressful than central Toronto.)
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I actually think that driving in central Montreal is much less stressful than central Toronto.)
No right turn on red seems to take a potentially dangerous element out of the equation.
     
     
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No right turn on red seems to take a potentially dangerous element out of the equation.
We have a lot of that appearing here in Vancouver now, with the restriction imposed because of right-of-way given to bike lanes, it's irritating as it constricts the traffic flow.
     
     
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Yep. I've driven in quite a few countries around the world and the closest equivalent to Quebec I can think of would be Thailand. Janky infrastructure but you're fine if you just drive intuitively instead of trying to figure out the rules.

(This mainly applies to suburban areas and expressways, not urban areas, which tend to be more orderly. I actually think that driving in central Montreal is much less stressful than central Toronto.)
From my experiences, Montreal is much less stressful to drive in than in Toronto whether downtown or in the suburbs.

I wouldn't say that the infrastructure in Quebec is all that bad and there have been huge improvements made over the last 20 years. And it's better than in the Manitoba or Saskatchewan.
     
     
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Roundabout in Ontario. In the east end suburbs of Canada's capital Ottawa, where they use bilingual signage.

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How do they call roundabouts in Québec French?
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From my experiences, Montreal is much less stressful to drive in than in Toronto whether downtown or in the suburbs.
The most stressful is San Francisco, by a wide margin.
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An article in the Le Devoir today that will "delight" one of the forumers here. It's called "In the land of the «Eastern Townshippers»". In it, Lisa, from the municipality of Brome Village, where 62% of the population are native English speakers, expresses her outrage at Bill 96, but says she won't vote anyway, because her little vote will make 0 difference, it is Legault who will have the last say anyway, she says. She also says it will become impossible to receive health services in English.

She says she's going to sell her house in the Eastern Townships and resettle in Ontario, "where it's English", "where you can read road signs and know where you're going".

It's pretty incredible that someone could have lived their whole life in Québec and made absolutely no effort to learn even minimal French to be able to read road signs... In the article she says that Bill 96 was "the icing on the cake", and has determined her to leave.

François, a recent retiree from Saint-Léonard (Montréal) who settled in Brome Village during Covid-19, says he feels no tension between French and English speakers, but he says "I can't accept that Anglophones make no effort to speak French. It shows contempt, as far as I'm concerned." Nathalie, his Francophone neighbor, adds: "As for me, my father came from England and he learned French".

In the nearby village of Stanstead, at the US border, several people also bemoan Bill 96. One Anglophone, called Naomie, describes it as "a screw around your neck, that is getting tightened ever more". Another Anglophone, called Kim, says Anglophones and Francophones get along well, but she says there are people in the community who are "feverishly anti-Anglophone", and it's shameful she says. She also says she speaks French better after a bottle of wine.

The article is here: https://www.ledevoir.com/politique/quebe...ec-2022-au-pays-des-eastern-townshippers
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Anglos and Francos get along pretty well in the Townships. There are rare exceptions on both sides, obviously. But the least compromising Francos in the province are usually from more purely Francophone areas.
     
     
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How do they call roundabouts in Québec French?
Officially, "carrefour giratoire".

"Rond-point" is also often heard in spoken language too.
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