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Old Posted Aug 26, 2022, 8:04 PM
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Giulia Pizza is taking over the old Tuckers space in the market now that Parlé/Viet Fresh has moved to Dalhousie.

Also, the old Babylon space seems to be getting a make over - anyone have any intel on what's going in there?
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Not sure if it is new info or not, but noticed the women's Banana Republic is closed at the Rideau Centre.
They consolidated the men’s and women's stores where the mens store is on the 3rd floor.
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Here's the difference though, they open two, three grocery stores every 5 years in the suburbs, and none of the grocery stores in areas with declining population close.
Not even that.

Carleton Place hasn't had a new grocery store in about a decade.

Barrhaven has had one new grocery store in 15 years. Two if you count Costco.
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2022, 6:39 PM
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Not even that.

Carleton Place hasn't had a new grocery store in about a decade.

Barrhaven has had one new grocery store in 15 years. Two if you count Costco.
I guess I'm more used to Orleans. I count at least 8 full service grocery stores in Orleans + 2 Farm Boys.

The inner area, with about the same population, has five (?) full service and two Farm Boys, one of which shouldn't even be counted (tiny Rideau Centre location). At least those who live in the ByWard Market have plenty of specialty options, but outside of that, downtown residents are pretty limited.

So why is Orleans, where the vast majority of people drive to the grocery store, get 8+2 while the inner area where the majority are on foot or bike, only get 5+1.25? Shouldn't the urban area have more, but smaller urban format grocery stores?

If Moon gest does in fact get grocery store, that's a huge gap. Metro might reopen at Royale, bringing back a second full service on Rideau. Add another to Little Italy (Beech Street parking lot), one on Catherine (Brigil's bus station redevelopment) and another at Lees (multi tower proposal in the Lees/Robinson circle), we would be very well covered.
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I guess I'm more used to Orleans. I count at least 8 full service grocery stores in Orleans + 2 Farm Boys.

The inner area, with about the same population, has five (?) full service and two Farm Boys, one of which shouldn't even be counted (tiny Rideau Centre location). At least those who live in the ByWard Market have plenty of specialty options, but outside of that, downtown residents are pretty limited.

So why is Orleans, where the vast majority of people drive to the grocery store, get 8+2 while the inner area where the majority are on foot or bike, only get 5+1.25? Shouldn't the urban area have more, but smaller urban format grocery stores.
A lot of inner area residents go to Vanier/Gloucester or Westboro to access larger and/or cheaper stores.

What I find weird is the ongoing lack of mainstream grocery stores between Bank and Island Park. There must be 10s of thousands of people in West Centretown, Hintonberg, etc.
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A lot of inner area residents go to Vanier/Gloucester or Westboro to access larger and/or cheaper stores.

What I find weird is the ongoing lack of mainstream grocery stores between Bank and Island Park. There must be 10s of thousands of people in West Centretown, Hintonberg, etc.
To go to Vanier or Westboro for groceries, you'd need a car.

I agree the lack of chain grocery stores along main streets is weird. In Montreal, Quebec City and other cities, it's common to see mid and high-rise buildings with chain grocery stores (and hardware stores, and any other retailers associated with big-box suburbs) within podiums. We just don't see that in Ottawa. It seems Shoppers is the biggest retailer we can find in podiums.
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Old Posted Sep 20, 2022, 7:12 PM
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To go to Vanier or Westboro for groceries, you'd need a car.
Or a bus.
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Or a bus.
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To go to Vanier or Westboro for groceries, you'd need a car.

I agree the lack of chain grocery stores along main streets is weird. In Montreal, Quebec City and other cities, it's common to see mid and high-rise buildings with chain grocery stores (and hardware stores, and any other retailers associated with big-box suburbs) within podiums. We just don't see that in Ottawa. It seems Shoppers is the biggest retailer we can find in podiums.
For a very long time Toronto had no large chain grocery stores anywhere downtown. The first to open was when Maple Leaf Gardens was redeveloped around 2012 and then a few of them opened in large condo podiums within the last 5 years or so.

Maybe it's just that Ottawa is behind in that trend/ the big grocery chains are still prioritizing a larger market like Toronto for those types of stores for now? Toronto still doesn't have nearly enough downtown grocery stores for its population.

Could it also be that because downtown Ottawa blocks are smaller than Montreal and much smaller than Toronto, the podium sizes are just too small to make it worth their while for these companies?
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I have never understood this trend towards huge super stores. I hate them. I am so happy that my closest grocery stores are a mid-sized Metro and a smaller Farm Boy. Why won't smaller supermarkets work in urban Ottawa? I don't need to buy clothes in a supermarket.
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I have never understood this trend towards huge super stores. I hate them. I am so happy that my closest grocery stores are a mid-sized Metro and a smaller Farm Boy. Why won't smaller supermarkets work in urban Ottawa? I don't need to buy clothes in a supermarket.
Agreed. Urbanites with no car don't need a one stop shop for everything. That's not how they live their lives. They need the essentials in specialty stores.
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For a very long time Toronto had no large chain grocery stores anywhere downtown. The first to open was when Maple Leaf Gardens was redeveloped around 2012 and then a few of them opened in large condo podiums within the last 5 years or so.

Maybe it's just that Ottawa is behind in that trend/ the big grocery chains are still prioritizing a larger market like Toronto for those types of stores for now? Toronto still doesn't have nearly enough downtown grocery stores for its population.

Could it also be that because downtown Ottawa blocks are smaller than Montreal and much smaller than Toronto, the podium sizes are just too small to make it worth their while for these companies?
I just measured samples of 10 or so blocks around the downtowns of all three cities.
Ottawa downtown blocks average around 200,000 sq. ft.
Montreal and Toronto downtown blocks vary more in size, but average around 150,000 sq. ft.
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Why won't smaller supermarkets work in urban Ottawa? I don't need to buy clothes in a supermarket.
But retailers need to sell higher margin products like clothing.

I like the Metro on Wellington by Island Park because it is a manageable size and it is quick to run in and out of (or in my case, limp in and out of painfully) when I need milk. But that's if I take the car.

If I do walk from home, Superstore is closer (it used to be by over 300m) but it is actually shorter for me to walk the extra block to Circle K for milk since I don't end up doing the block from Kirkwood to McCrae, while inside the store, 2x, to get to the milk if I'm at Superstore and then have to walk a half block out of my way because they've shut the door closest to me.

As much as I hate Superstore though, it is cheaper than Metro.
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That's hilarious Sue I don't think Google Maps accounts for the interior walk, but they should!
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That's hilarious Sue I don't think Google Maps accounts for the interior walk, but they should!
Thankfully, my garmin fitness tracker does and shows my inside the store route on the map!
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I just measured samples of 10 or so blocks around the downtowns of all three cities.
Ottawa downtown blocks average around 200,000 sq. ft.
Montreal and Toronto downtown blocks vary more in size, but average around 150,000 sq. ft.
Thanks for that. Walking around Toronto the blocks always feel much longer than Ottawa, especially on north-south streets. Interesting to learn that it's just perception.
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Thanks for that. Walking around Toronto the blocks always feel much longer than Ottawa, especially on north-south streets. Interesting to learn that it's just perception.
It isn't your imagination. Downtown blocks are twice the N-S length in Toronto compared to downtown Ottawa. (62M vs 128M, give or take clicking errors).
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Hardware giant Lowe’s selling Canadian retail operations, including RONA, to private-equity firm

Nicolas Van Praet, Globe and Mail
November 03, 2022 | Updated 49 minutes ago


U.S. hardware giant Lowe’s Cos. is cutting loose its Canadian retail operations after a frustrating six-year run.

Lowe’s has struck a deal to sell about 450 stores in Canada that operate under the Lowe’s, Rona, Reno-Depot and Dick’s Lumber banners, the Mooresville, N.C. company said Thursday after markets closed. The buyer is New York private equity firm Sycamore Partners, which is buying the stores for US$400-million in cash plus unspecified performance-based benefits.

Lowe’s entered the Canadian market in 2016, buying Rona for $3.2-billion. The sale is a recognition by the company that it couldn’t make the takeover work. The business has struggled and Lowe’s has cut jobs and closed dozens of stores in several provinces.

With the transaction, Lowe’s becomes the latest company to prove that cross border expansion between Canada and the United States isn’t always as easy as it seems. The retail landscape is littered with companies based in both countries that have pulled back, including U.S. big box department store chain Target and Wal-Mart’s Sam’s Club.

For Rona, it will likely be the beginning of another period of turbulence. Private equity firms typically hold on to investments for a limited period of time and the chain is almost certainly headed toward new ownership after Sycamore decides the time is right to sell.

“Sycamore will be squeezing the lemons” in a bid to improve Rona’s financials and attract new ownership, said Louis Hébert, a specialist in corporate strategy at HEC Montréal business school. “And that means the supply chain, merchandising, employees will all be affected.”

Lowe’s chairman and chief executive Marvin Ellison called the sale “an important step” towards simplifying Lowe’s business model. He said while the Canadian business represents about 7 per cent of Lowe’s expected 2022 sales, it would also dilute the company’s overall operating profit margin for the year.

Lowe’s said it will take a pre-tax charge of US$2-billion related to the Canadian division.

Antonio Filato, spokesman for the UFCW union local representing 3,000 Lowe’s Canadian workers, said the labour group was “worried” about the deal being announced. In a message on the union website, he said his priority would be to meet the new owners and get assurances that the collective agreements in force will be respected.

Sycamore Partners, which specializes in retail and consumer investments, struck an upbeat tone in its comments on the takeover.

“We are honoured to partner with Lowe’s to establish Lowe’s Canada and Rona as a stand-alone company headquartered in Boucherville, Quebec,” Stefan Kaluzny, the firm’s managing director, said in a statement. “We look forward to working with the company’s management team to build on its 83-year history as a leading Canadian home improvement business serving families, builders, and contractors in their communities across the country.”

The government of Jean Charest opposed an initial offer from Lowe’s for Rona in 2012 but the U.S. chain roared back four years later with an improved offer and eventually won political support for a deal.

Opposition parties at the time said the government should not have allowed one of Quebec’s flagship companies to be sold to a U.S. rival, particularly as Rona was a major employer and buyer of locally made goods. They said a decision by the government’s investment arm, Investissement Québec, to unload its 11 million shares in Rona helped open the door to a takeover. Pension fund manager Caisse de dépôt et placement du Québec also supported the transaction.

Regardless, Lowe’s never quite found its footing in Canada.

When Lowe’s said in 2019 it would close 34 stores across six provinces and cut more jobs, the announcement touched off another round of questions by Quebec’s political leaders about whether employment guarantees sought by the federal government as a condition for approving the Rona takeover were enough. And they raised new concerns that consumers in the province were starting to sever their relationship with Rona, a homegrown company they once adored.

“I think that sadly what we’re seeing in Quebec, rightly or wrongly, is a sort of rupture with the Rona brand,” Pierre Fitzgibbon, Quebec’s Economy Minister, said at the time. “There are many independent [Rona] retailers that don’t deserve that. But it’s a reality.”

A spokesman for Mr. Fitzgibbon did not answer a message Thursday evening seeking comment.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business...nadian-retail-operations-including-rona/
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Old Posted Nov 9, 2022, 6:15 PM
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Rumour that Giant Tigre will open in the old Aubainerie on Boulevard Montclaire.

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It isn't your imagination. Downtown blocks are twice the N-S length in Toronto compared to downtown Ottawa. (62M vs 128M, give or take clicking errors).
It's always fun to take a brain that's programmed with Ottawa block sizes, and go to the major Prairie cities, or, oppositely, downtown Halifax.
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