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Old Posted Sep 10, 2022, 2:48 AM
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Once in the media, I heard their leader Mélenchon call the Americans vultures just like that and no one said anything about it.

Again, the insult came from the mouth of the far-left leader, so I guess they wouldn't even bother reacting to his enraged ranting.
We're used to outrageous statements from that guy anyway.
Mélenchon is a certain type, a most disagreeable sort.

A very elitist, very left-wing type. Usually that end of the political spectrum has a certain disdain for that brand of elitism, as it has more been classically associated with classical conservatism.

It is not too often a politician can get away with mocking the accent of a reporter and refusing to answer their questions whilst saying ‘Is there anyone who speaks real French here?’ It is hard to imagine a US senator mocking a Minnesota accent in such a similar way.

Yet he has been repeatedly elected. Strange, it is.
     
     
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Well, it seems it won't be changed. Today Legault explicitly said he will not remove the office of lieutenant governor or challenge the position of the monarchy in Canada: https://www.ledevoir.com/politique/quebe...utenant-gouverneur-au-quebec-pour-la-caq

This guy seems rather cowardly. "Please keep me in power, I promise I won't touch anything." You're set to remain loyal subjects of His Majesty King Charles III then. When Australia becomes a republic, it will be so anachronistic to see Québec still ruled by Charles III...
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Well, it seems it won't be changed. Today Legault explicitly said he will not remove the office of lieutenant governor or challenge the position of the monarchy in Canada: https://www.ledevoir.com/politique/quebe...utenant-gouverneur-au-quebec-pour-la-caq

This guy seems rather cowardly. "Please keep me in power, I promise I won't touch anything." You're set to remain loyal subjects of His Majesty King Charles III then. When Australia becomes a republic, it will be so anachronistic to see Québec still ruled by Charles III...
Point taken, though Australia already tried to become a republic and failed, and an independent Quebec would never have a British monarch as head of state.
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though Australia already tried to become a republic and failed
They may succeed this time. Pro-republic Labour is in power, and by incredible coincidence Queen Elizabeth died just as Labour returned to power and are still quite popular.

The popularity of the queen was always an impediment for Australia to become a republic. Now that she is no more, give it a year for the public emotion to subside, and probably they'll start referendum proceedings, with a good chance of winning this time. I wonder what sort of ripple effect it will have in Canada if the Australian republicans win the referendum.
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I was under the impressiom that a big part of why the Republican movement in Australia has failed is because of disagreements on what exactly will replace the monarchy.

This is the other aspect of this: "abolishing the monarchy" isn't just a matter of getting every province to agree.
     
     
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I was under the impressiom that a big part of why the Republican movement in Australia has failed is because of disagreements on what exactly will replace the monarchy.

This is the other aspect of this: "abolishing the monarchy" isn't just a matter of getting every province to agree.
I am guessing that Quebec would be the first province to agree.



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Hey....Quebec...Please for the Love Of GOD and all that is Holy.....Leave Canada....NOW. No one needs YOU!!! Just Go....You are that fat Chick that
has NO money or stroke. You are a welfare State Beat it. Alberta is NOT your Daddy anymore. We will do are own thing now
     
     
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Hey....Quebec...Please for the Love Of GOD and all that is Holy.....Leave Canada....NOW. No one needs YOU!!! Just Go....You are that fat Chick that
has NO money or stroke. You are a welfare State Beat it. Alberta is NOT your Daddy anymore. We will do are own thing now
I think it's easy to be too harsh, I see only a solution of increased sovereignty (an ironic word isn't it? ) for Quebec. Since we are a reasonable democratically enlightened country, diplomatic solutions inherently abound, and are better than indecision. To gain something, you must perhaps give up something else.
     
     
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I am not saying the situation did not exist, but it is part of the popular narrative now, somewhat exaggerated. Who were these Anglo oppressors, how and why did it begin? I could say that we are all cheap labour, perhaps you, or me; the so-called oppressors are the wealthy class, regardless of language or nationality. I have been to Quebec and I've seen plenty of photos here as well, of very nice looking historic Quebecois towns and cities, they don't have the look of impoverishment.
It started with the Conquest. The Brits "magnanimously" let the (French) Canadian have their language and their religion. Of course, the real reason was to avoid a revolt (revolt that finally happened in the south a little more than a decade later). The deal made with the Catholic Church was keep the people docile and you can keep "saving their souls". The threat to impose the conqueror’s religion was always present, so the Church did their best to keep people docile. French people were probably happy, they did the best they could with what they had. They were convinced they were "born for a small bread" but that they did God's work and would therefore end up in Heaven. That is probably the first time in history that religion was used to control people, right... During that time, British people were more than happy to take away the burden of money from the Canadians. So everyone was happy in their own way, but only one group would end up with intergenerational wealth.

I wouldn't call it oppression, but definitely exploitation (we all know true oppression is having to learn French in Québec...).
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Hey....Quebec...Please for the Love Of GOD and all that is Holy.....Leave Canada....NOW. No one needs YOU!!! Just Go....You are that fat Chick that
has NO money or stroke. You are a welfare State Beat it. Alberta is NOT your Daddy anymore. We will do are own thing now
Speaking of Daddy... looks like someone broke into his liquor cabinet last night!
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It started with the Conquest. The Brits "magnanimously" let the (French) Canadian have their language and their religion. Of course, the real reason was to avoid a revolt (revolt that finally happened in the south a little more than a decade later). The deal made with the Catholic Church was keep the people docile and you can keep "saving their souls". The threat to impose the conqueror’s religion was always present, so the Church did their best to keep people docile. French people were probably happy, they did the best they could with what they had. They were convinced they were "born for a small bread" but that they did God's work and would therefore end up in Heaven. That is probably the first time in history that religion was used to control people, right... During that time, British people were more than happy to take away the burden of money from the Canadians. So everyone was happy in their own way, but only one group would end up with intergenerational wealth.

I wouldn't call it oppression, but definitely exploitation (we all know true oppression is having to learn French in Québec...).
And it's especially oppressive to have to learn French when one has wilfully moved to Québec from another part of Canada or another country!
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They may succeed this time. Pro-republic Labour is in power, and by incredible coincidence Queen Elizabeth died just as Labour returned to power and are still quite popular.

The popularity of the queen was always an impediment for Australia to become a republic. Now that she is no more, give it a year for the public emotion to subside, and probably they'll start referendum proceedings, with a good chance of winning this time. I wonder what sort of ripple effect it will have in Canada if the Australian republicans win the referendum.
Yes that will be interesting to watch in Australia.

As for Canada, if you check out the monarchy thread here or our Constitution (a gift from Justin Trudeau's father) you will see that it's almost impossible to get rid of the monarchy here. Even a massively supported referendum would probably not be sufficient and would fail.
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Of course Québec's culture is North American. What is it supposed to be otherwise? Asian? African? European it is not, people in Québec are quite different from Europeans (more friendly and easy going, less skeptical and cynical), and already were in 1760 (as noted by contemporary French visitors). But inside North America, Québec remains quite distinct nonetheless. Whether it be secularism, work-life balance, leftist politics, a more "communal" outlook and society, plus a different linguistic world and history, it's certainly very different from the rest of Anglophone North America. As someone famously said, "le Québec c'est l'Amérique en français". Nobody ever claimed it was "la France en Amérique", but it's certainly "l'Amérique en français".
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You have got a pretty good feel for the situation here.
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Hey....Quebec...Please for the Love Of GOD and all that is Holy.....Leave Canada....NOW. No one needs YOU!!! Just Go....You are that fat Chick that
has NO money or stroke. You are a welfare State Beat it. Alberta is NOT your Daddy anymore. We will do are own thing now
The federal government doesn't agree for some reason.

PS: Never realized Jean Chrétien had such a French accent when speaking English.

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Of course Québec's culture is North American. What is it supposed to be otherwise? Asian? African? European it is not, people in Québec are quite different from Europeans (more friendly and easy going, less skeptical and cynical), and already were in 1760 (as noted by contemporary French visitors). But inside North America, Québec remains quite distinct nonetheless. Whether it be secularism, work-life balance, leftist politics, a more "communal" outlook and society, plus a different linguistic world and history, it's certainly very different from the rest of Anglophone North America. As someone famously said, "le Québec c'est l'Amérique en français". Nobody ever claimed it was "la France en Amérique", but it's certainly "l'Amérique en français".

Anyway, I think Charles Trénet summed it up well for a French audience in the 1950s already (cultural difference between France and French Canada as seen from French Canadian pharmacies):

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Haha! I didn't know that one!

When I saw Charles Trenet, I immediately thought it would be this song!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho4OT2s-dFw

Une famille des plus charmantes
Trois enfants maman papa
Partit un beau jour de Nantes
Pour visiter le Canada
Fixant leur itinéraire
Après maintes réflexions
Ils choisirent pas ordinaire
Ces moyens de locomotion
C'est ainsi qu'avant de partir
Ils chantaient pour s'divertir
Nous irons à Toronto en auto
Nous irons à Montréal à cheval
Nous traverserons Québec à pied sec
Nous irons à Ottawa en oua oua
Nous irons à Valleyfield sur un fil
Nous irons à Trois Rivières en litière
Passant par Chicoutimi endormis
Nous irons au lac Saint-Jean en nageant
Voilà, voilà
Un beau voyage, un beau voyage
Voilà, voilà
Un beau voyage au Canada
Oui mais parfois c'est étrange
On ne fait pas toujours ce qu'on veut
Bien souvent le hasard change
Nos projets les plus heureux
Nos amis furent c'est pas de chance
Victimes d'une distraction
Du chef du bureau de l'agence
Des moyens d'locomotion
Et à cause d'un employé
Qui s'était trompé de billets
Ils allèrent à Toronto en nageant
Ils allèrent à Montréal endormis
Ils se rendirent à Québec en litière
Ils allèrent à Ottawa sur un fil
Ils allèrent à Valleyfield à pied sec
Ils allèrent à Trois Rivières en oua oua
Passant par Chicoutimi à cheval
Ils plongèrent dans le lac Saint-Jean en auto
Voilà, voilà
Un beau voyage, un beau voyage
Voilà, voilà
Un beau voyage au Canada
Depuis ce temps-là, messieurs dames
Les voyageurs ont compris
Pour éviter bien des drames
Il faut à n'importe quel prix
Contrôler dans les agences
Les billets d'locomotion
Si vous partez en vacances
La plus simple des précautions
C'est de chanter mon petit air
Mon petit air itinéraire
Nous irons à Toronto en auto
Nous irons à Montréal à cheval
Nous traverserons Québec à pied sec
Nous irons à Ottawa en oua oua
Nous irons à Valleyfield sur un fil
Nous irons à Trois Rivières en litière
Passant par Chicoutimi endormis
Nous irons au lac Saint-Jean en nageant
Voilà, voilà
Un beau voyage, un beau voyage
Voilà, voilà
Un beau voyage au Canada
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Posted by a Québécois indépendantiste on Twitter:

"Quebec sovereignty is a totally outdated concept that is now only supported by people who are obsessed with living in the past"

- said or believed by millions of people in Canada who are today mourning the passing of a hereditary Queen and enthused at the prospect of her son's reign as our King.

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I think it's easy to be too harsh, I see only a solution of increased sovereignty (an ironic word isn't it? ) for Quebec. Since we are a reasonable democratically enlightened country, diplomatic solutions inherently abound, and are better than indecision. To gain something, you must perhaps give up something else.
If you are referring to Quebec, I doubt you'd find many nationalists who agree with you.
     
     
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If you are referring to Quebec, I doubt you'd find many nationalists who agree with you.
I think he was probably referring to the Canadian majority and their political representatives in this instance.
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I think it's easy to be too harsh, I see only a solution of increased sovereignty (an ironic word isn't it? ) for Quebec. Since we are a reasonable democratically enlightened country, diplomatic solutions inherently abound, and are better than indecision. To gain something, you must perhaps give up something else.
Interestingly enough, we seem to be going through a phase where Ottawa is getting less and less accommodating towards Quebec's autonomist desires.

This is all a bit puzzling to me as I think that in spite of all the bogeymen about "sleepwalking to separation", the historical evidence points to accommodating Quebec's distinctiveness and aspirations as being beneficial overall to the unity of the country.
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