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Old Posted Aug 28, 2022, 9:25 PM
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Lol then why respond??? Seriously you think downtown Winnipeg is lacking CRU’s, there’s a dead mall across the street from a dead department store… down the street from another dead mall and a dying concourse. Lol. Portage and many surrounding streets are full of dead storefronts. Ohh and there’s that dead mall at Fort Garry place too. One parkade on smith street ain’t gonna make it or break it. Just look at the monstrosity that is the convention centre… entire building could have been ringed with shops… but you have two square blocks of dead zone.
One parkade isn't going to make it or break it, as you say.

I get the sense TV is advocating for street-facing CRUs which if I'm not mistaken are supposed to be less that 30,000 sq or something. I got the sense his argument was about the street scape and the pedestrian experience, not that there wasn't ample vacant retail space DT.

So, yeah, no one wants to open a store in a mall downtown anymore. Which is exactly why we need as many street level CRUs as possible. Especially since, as you point out, the convention centre and other monoliths have already destroyed the potential of many areas of DT.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 28, 2022, 9:30 PM
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Lol then why respond??? Seriously you think downtown Winnipeg is lacking CRU’s, there’s a dead mall across the street from a dead department store… down the street from another dead mall and a dying concourse. Lol. Portage and many surrounding streets are full of dead storefronts. Ohh and there’s that dead mall at Fort Garry place too. One parkade on smith street ain’t gonna make it or break it. Just look at the monstrosity that is the convention centre… entire building could have been ringed with shops… but you have two square blocks of dead zone.

And if you want people especially families to abandon suburban living… maybe… just maybe, you might want try providing them with some of the amenities of living in a suburb. Like not having to move your car at two in the morning because it’s snowing. Or having to walk your friend back to their car because they’re scared at night. Yeah having appropriate parking… that’s clearly to much to ask of a place where you 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 live.

Do you own a car? Lol.

Ok. Let’s do it.

Yes. Downtown Winnipeg is severely lacking in storefronts and buildings that connect to the street. You can walk for blocks without passing a shop. Downtown Winnipeg has fewer storefronts than any city in Canada.

Internal shopping Malls are not storefronts. They were poor attempts to do this thing you suggest, out suburbing the suburbs. Which always fails. Downtowns only succeed by being urban. Providing street life, walkability, social connection, and urban energy. The goal is not to provide what the suburbs can. It’s to provide what the suburbs can’t.

I am not saying that parking should be banned. The point being made is in urban areas parkades should not be allowed to front a sidewalk.

Look at the building directly across the street from this one. The old Place Louis Riel. A huge two level parkade but at the sidewalk it is completely fronted by storefronts. Every one of them full. Every one of them providing the things that attract people to living downtown. Two unique restaurants (one with constant line-ups), a flower shop, a print shop, a clothing store. This new parkade could have expanded that success.

The argument that one parkade won’t hurt is a poor one. There are many street fronting parkades in downtown including a giant one built for Glasshouse that actually removed a nice series of storefronts. How about the Lombard parkade? It could have been an opportunity to make that a great street, but instead it created a dead zone. I can go on. It should never be allowed ever. If we want downtown to succeed we must demand new development contribute to creating a public realm that attracts people to an urban lifestyle.

Agreed about the convention centre though. 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵.

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Old Posted Aug 29, 2022, 1:45 PM
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So I just want to add my two cents to the discussion and to Vikings response.

I don’t think “suburbing” is a word. I looked it up.
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Old Posted Aug 29, 2022, 3:52 PM
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Old Posted Aug 29, 2022, 7:34 PM
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Old Posted Aug 29, 2022, 8:26 PM
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Nevermind CRU's on parkades. I came across this today. This is what Winnipeg strives to be. Look at this masterpiece of design.

https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.9093837,-...ylpyxukBlMNlh40lnT4ZQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

I guess if the CRU space just sat empty, at least, until such time it was desirable. Might be better than nothing at all. Of course developer doesn't want the dead space though. But make it a cost of doing business through policy.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 29, 2022, 9:08 PM
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Nevermind CRU's on parkades. I came across this today. This is what Winnipeg strives to be. Look at this masterpiece of design.

https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.9093837,-...ylpyxukBlMNlh40lnT4ZQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

I guess if the CRU space just sat empty, at least, until such time it was desirable. Might be better than nothing at all. Of course developer doesn't want the dead space though. But make it a cost of doing business through policy.
Good catch. Number 50 has a illegal driveway expansion in place. I'm certain the rest of the neighborhood won't follow suit, said no one in Winnipeg ever.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 29, 2022, 9:16 PM
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Dumb question what the hell is a CRU i have never heard that term before?
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 29, 2022, 9:17 PM
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Dumb question what the hell is a CRU i have never heard that term before?
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Old Posted Aug 29, 2022, 9:23 PM
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Good catch. Number 50 has a illegal driveway expansion in place. I'm certain the rest of the neighborhood won't follow suit, said no one in Winnipeg ever.
why do new subdivisions have such ridiculously huge flares at the end of their driveways?
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 29, 2022, 9:31 PM
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why do new subdivisions have such ridiculously huge flares at the end of their driveways?
It's to account for reverse turning radius when backing out of your driveway as you crank onto the street. Can't have any of that precious square of grass or river rock being run over.

Straight reverse is just out of the question for some reason. Roads are ungodly wide enough to do so. Then traffic in the other double wide lane would be impeded though, and you can't have that out in the middle of god forsake nowhere.
     
     
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Nevermind CRU's on parkades. I came across this today. This is what Winnipeg strives to be. Look at this masterpiece of design.

https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.9093837,-...ylpyxukBlMNlh40lnT4ZQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

I guess if the CRU space just sat empty, at least, until such time it was desirable. Might be better than nothing at all. Of course developer doesn't want the dead space though. But make it a cost of doing business through policy.
I guess we know what side of the street all the snow is getting plowed to.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 29, 2022, 11:56 PM
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why do new subdivisions have such ridiculously huge flares at the end of their driveways?
why do new subdivisions not have sidewalks
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 30, 2022, 1:46 AM
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why do new subdivisions not have sidewalks
Because developers run this city and hate us all
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 30, 2022, 12:18 PM
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To be fair developers are only looking out for their bottom line. Having and enforcing proper design standards for any new development is key.
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Old Posted Aug 30, 2022, 12:20 PM
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Old Posted Aug 30, 2022, 7:47 PM
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huge transformation, looks great
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 31, 2022, 3:22 PM
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If they were dead set on building a parkade, they could have at least made it like this one.



Yes it's just a box, but a much nicer box than what Smith currently has.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 31, 2022, 5:09 PM
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Even without CRUs...

     
     
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Old Posted Sep 1, 2022, 3:49 PM
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Is there any significance to the work happening at the St Regis site? Looks like they're levelling it and removing adding earth.

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