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Old Posted Aug 25, 2022, 12:52 AM
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^ I admire the ambition, but it's kind of like with Saskatoon and its arena, a huge facility in Surrey is a bit of a waste because which team would need that many seats? Unless the teams go back to the 1970s pricing model of pricing seats to sell vs. the modern approach of trying to squeeze every last penny you can out of the fans.

Would the Lions and Whitecaps even necessarily be interested in moving?
If they can get more in game revenue than pavco for sure. I highly doubt this mayor would go with 60 k once Doman and kerfoot talk with him about what they actually need in a facility capacity wise
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2022, 12:52 AM
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This is a guy who made up a story about a woman running over his foot. He has no intention of even attempting to get a stadium built. Pure con artistry.
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2022, 1:18 AM
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If they can get more in game revenue than pavco for sure. I highly doubt this mayor would go with 60 k once Doman and kerfoot talk with him about what they actually need in a facility capacity wise
I suspect the main benefit of any new Surrey stadium to the Lions and Whitecaps would be to give them something they could use to negotiate a better deal with BC Place.
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I suspect the main benefit of any new Surrey stadium to the Lions and Whitecaps would be to give them something they could use to negotiate a better deal with BC Place.
This is probably the only upside. A stadium in Surrey wouldn't have any tenants and wouldn't tangibly be any better in any way over what both tenants already have at BC Place.

Also just looked up this mayor of Surrey and I assumed he was 80 and wasn't surprised to see that he's actually 78. We should have limits for these sorts of positions.

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personally would prefer if Stoon goes with 10 k for seating as that is more than adequate for most concerts brier world juniors and whl needs. knowing stoon though they will likely go big and build a nhl sized arena even though that is not necessary.
I haven't heard any rumours or support for a NHL sized arena in Saskatoon. Everyone wants it to be 15K, the same size as Sask Place.
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Lions might move to Surrey their practice facility is there and many players probably live there.
Whitecaps is more of a Vancouver city kid vibe so would probably stay at BC Place.
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Build the stadium in Surrey in time for the World Cup and take Toronto's matches!
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personally would prefer if Stoon goes with 10 k for seating as that is more than adequate for most concerts brier world juniors and whl needs. knowing stoon though they will likely go big and build a nhl sized arena even though that is not necessary.
Don't worry. Saskatoon won't steal the Jet's away even though they will have a bigger arena
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Well, Amar Doman wants more revenue from anything in stadium (concessions being the main piece) so I imagine he may be happy to see this.

And he also may see who's proposing the idea and thinking this is a pipedream.
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I haven't heard any rumours or support for a NHL sized arena in Saskatoon. Everyone wants it to be 15K, the same size as Sask Place.
15,000 seats is full on NHL sized by today's standards!
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15,000 seats is full on NHL sized by today's standards!
Depending on how long the Coyotes are gonna be playing in a minor league rink maybe it will convince them to revive their plan to play some games in Saskatoon.
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Well, Amar Doman wants more revenue from anything in stadium (concessions being the main piece) so I imagine he may be happy to see this.
We can probably just assume that Doman has something to do with it. Nothing says fixing your current lease agreement like proposing to move somewhere else.

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15,000 seats is full on NHL sized by today's standards!
Depends on how many boxes and suites there are and what the revenue/per is.
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Surrey city council gave the lions a 33% lease discount on a new 5 year deal to continue using the practice facility and offices in Surrey back in July.
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Really hope the Whitecaps and Lions stick to BC Place. Always better to stay downtown. At least Surrey's not the typical suburb, which makes it less of a terrible alternative.

But 60k stadium, what a waste of time and money.
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With the mayor's announcement of a 60,000 seat stadium, it's clear Surrey is throwing their hat in the ring for an NFL expansion team. In the coming months I expect to hear an announcement of a Vancouver ownership group willing to invest $3-$4 billion on a NFL expansion team.
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With the mayor's announcement of a 60,000 seat stadium, it's clear Surrey is throwing their hat in the ring for an NFL expansion team. In the coming months I expect to hear an announcement of a Vancouver ownership group willing to invest $3-$4 billion on a NFL expansion team.
Why would anyone tell him 60k, anything over 35k would be ridiculous.
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Old Posted Aug 26, 2022, 10:33 PM
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c...n-surrey-mayor-s-large-stadium-1.6562089

Doug McCallum said the clubs are being approached about his idea to put a 60,000 seat stadium in Surrey

The Vancouver Canucks and B.C. Lions are staying mum about a 60,000-seat stadium in Surrey promised by Mayor Doug McCallum in his re-election platform.

On CBC's The Early Edition, McCallum told host Stephen Quinn he was talking to both clubs "... to see whether there's a possibility that we could run some games or some farm teams or work with them as far as both hockey and football."

When asked if they had discussed the stadium with McCallum, the Vancouver Canucks responded with "no comment."

B.C. Lions communications manager Matt Baker said, "I can't confirm that, although I did hear the mayor say it, so do with it as you will."


McCallum told CBC that a Surrey stadium makes sense for those teams because most spectators attending Lions and Canucks games "are actually from Surrey." Both clubs declined to comment on his statement.

Doug McCallum's vision of a 60,000-seat stadium in Surrey 'a tall order,' says Rogers Arena builder
The notion of building such a huge stadium in suburban Surrey has been met with criticism, jokes, and a lot of head-scratching.

Although McCallum is pitching it as a multi-use facility for sports, cultural events and film production, it's hard to find merit in the idea.

For one, the region already has B.C. Place Stadium in Vancouver with 54,500 seats that are rarely filled.

Average home game attendance for the Lions and Vancouver Whitecaps at B.C. Place is hovering around 20,000 and 16,000 respectively in 2022, and large curtains shroud thousands of empty upper bowl seats to try to make the stadium smaller and more visually appealing for television.


Large stadiums usually have a strong anchor tenant to make the economics work and often rely on government subsidies and tax breaks for construction and operation.

As owners of the Vancouver Canucks and Rogers Arena, the Aquilini family has a nicely integrated business that's not going anywhere.

B.C. Place is owned and operated by the province under the company PavCo. One assumes the province won't be lining up to subsidize a competitor.

"During the municipal election cycle, there are many ideas and debates generated, and we can't speak to those," said PavCo senior director Meaghan Benmore.

And then there's the cost. By comparison, the estimated price tag for the new 60,000-seat stadium being built for the NFL's Buffalo Bills is $1.4 billion US. McCallum said he has yet to start on a business plan for the Surrey stadium.


"We've done some reviews. We've talked to different sports organizations, and once we get elected, then we will start the next day and develop a business case," he said.

'Trying to change the channel'
McCallum is sure to face questions about the stadium, which might be the real point of the stadium exercise, some believe, with his public mischief trial set for late October, two weeks after the municipal election.

McCallum is facing the charge in relation to a claim he made that someone ran over his foot in a grocery store parking lot.

"I think he's clearly trying to change the channel here. He's trying to get people to talk about something else other than his foot," said University of the Fraser Valley political scientist Hamish Telford.

Telford thinks the stadium concept appeals to civic pride and harkens back to McCallum's previous and successful campaign, where he promised to replace the RCMP with a municipal police force and expand SkyTrain.

"You know, big cities have these things. Big cities have their own police forces. Big cities have subways and train lines and ... big cities have stadiums."

However, without a realistic plan, Telford says there's a risk the stadium gambit is too "pie in the sky."

"It's got people talking about something else. But in the longer term, he's going to have to back up the idea if he wants it to work for him," said Telford.
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Why would he talk to the Canucks?
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https://vancouver.citynews.ca/2022/08/26/surrey-doug-mccallum-stadium-promise/

By Robyn Crawford and Hana Mae Nassar
Posted Aug 26, 2022, 9:52AM PDT.
Surrey’s Doug McCallum is defending a controversial promise to build a 60,000-seat stadium in the city, should he be re-elected as mayor this fall.

McCallum faced more questions Friday about his plan in an interview on the Halford and Brough show on Sportsnet 650.


The incumbent mayor has repeatedly cited the growth in the city and the need to build infrastructure to meet increasing demand as the years move on. He has also claimed that he’s been in talks with Vancouver’s major sports teams about the stadium plan.

However, his latest pledge has drawn a lot of reaction — both good and bad.

McCallum was asked about the likelihood of such a project moving forward, especially after suggestions he made that the province could provide funding to make it a reality.

“Well the province owns BC Place, why would they fund a competitor to BC Place that would take one of their main tenants, the BC Lions, out of that building?” asked co-host Jason Brough.

“We work with the governments all the time. We just worked really hard and got a billion dollars out of the federal and provincial government to build SkyTrain out to Surrey because of our growth,” McCallum responded, adding the city will also be providing funding, as well as land, to build the stadium, should that move forward.

“We are going to build a stadium that is very innovative, in that we’re not going to allow any cars there, for example.”


McCallum was asked about the likelihood of such a project moving forward, especially after suggestions he made that the province could provide funding to make it a reality.

“Well the province owns BC Place, why would they fund a competitor to BC Place that would take one of their main tenants, the BC Lions, out of that building?” asked co-host Jason Brough.

“We work with the governments all the time. We just worked really hard and got a billion dollars out of the federal and provincial government to build SkyTrain out to Surrey because of our growth,” McCallum responded, adding the city will also be providing funding, as well as land, to build the stadium, should that move forward.

“We are going to build a stadium that is very innovative, in that we’re not going to allow any cars there, for example.”

It’s also sparked conversation online, with many dismissing the proposal as laughable, while others have noted there is some merit to the promise.

Urban planning and infrastructure experts have also weighed in with mixed reaction.
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