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Old Posted Aug 25, 2022, 5:49 PM
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Nice to see a purpose built hotel.
     
     
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The elevation diagram mentions Floor 04-17 is Hotel Type 1 and 18-28 is Hotel Type 2.

Moxy's micro units



The rooftop lobby is only for Element. Moxy has a ground floor lobby.
I think you may have it backwards, Hotel type 1 is the short term hotel so the Element by Westin and the long term is type 2 at the top of the tower, so Moxy would get the rooftop, and Westin has the podium amenities, which makes sense since they need more amenities for a hotel (meeting rooms, restaurants, gyms etc...).
     
     
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One of the best things to do in Hong Kong during the week was to go to a rooftop bar after work for happy hour.
It's about time we have something like that here: a restaurant on a high floor with a good patio.

That public parking lot is often in a mess, with a wall often tagged with graffiti I'm glad it will finally be a nice hotel occupying it.
     
     
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I think you may have it backwards, Hotel type 1 is the short term hotel so the Element by Westin and the long term is type 2 at the top of the tower, so Moxy would get the rooftop, and Westin has the podium amenities, which makes sense since they need more amenities for a hotel (meeting rooms, restaurants, gyms etc...).
Moxy is described as offering guests "everything they want and nothing they don't" - so that's the hotel with the smaller rooms. "Element offers longer stay comfort with a conscience and thoughtful signature amenities, from its complimentary healthy Rise breakfast and Relax evening reception, to all-natural saline swimming pools". (However, I don't see any pool with this hotel - I don't think the site is big enough).

Hotel 1 (the lower floors) has the main floor lounge, bar and triple height atrium, while hotel 2 has a jump elevator to the top floors. There are 261 short-stay lower floor rooms with smaller, either king or queen beds. The larger Hotel 2 rooms start on floor 18 - long term with 132 rooms.

The amenities on the 3rd floor (the fitness centre, meeting rooms and guest laundry) are indicated as shared between both hotels. So is the lounge at the top of the hotel, and outdoor terrace and it's also where the lobby for Hotel 2 is located. There's no bar or restaurant shown up there, (although there is a kitchen and dining/event space). So I think hotel 1 (short stay) is the Moxy, and the long stay is the Element on the upper floors. If they offer the breakfast that other Element hotels offer, that will presumably be offered in the dining space up there.
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Their website reads:


That sounds like they are developing the Richards lots as well but could just be bad wording.
would explain the Richards project on the same developer's website: https://formedevelopment.com/
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Here's an unexpected rezoning (although test drilling was noted a few months ago). Paul Y construction have submitted an application for a 30 storey, 393 room hotel at 848 Seymour. 17.7 FSR, in a location that permits residential. With the Onni hotel conversion down the street, that's two new hotels proposed Downtown on Seymour. This would be a Moxy / Element by Westin. More details on Changing City blog.

Nice to see some height there!
Maybe the hotel ceiling heights may be taller than 8ft?
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Nice to see some height there!
Maybe the hotel ceiling heights may be taller than 8ft?
Thanks for posting.
Elevation heights suggest each floor, centre to centre is 2.946m. That's 9' 6", so assuming they're 6" slabs, with no dropped ceilings, it would suggest 9' 0" room heights. With smaller rooms, that's probably a good idea.
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Nice, thanks.
I'm glad it is taller than the adjacent Vita. I recall when Dolce and Vita were proposed, the developer wanted them taller, but the City wanted them to step down from the CBD to Downtown South. I suppose this height fits into that stepping.

Excerpts from the Rezoning report:

https://rezoning.vancouver.ca/applications/848-seymour-st/application-booklet.pdf#page=61

Site Plan shows how much bigger the Richards site is.




I guess we're glad they didn't propose a rooftop massing like VCII?
-But that would have created a great rooftop bar.






Doesn't look like there is a tie-in to the Richards site, although I suppose an overhead bridge could be added later.



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My wild card guess this Spring that the new W Hotel (former Four Seasons) might be a multi-brand Marriott turns out it will be on Seymour instead. Moxy is aiming to be the budget persons W, and is aimed at a young market with lively bar area, but it will definitely be the bottom half.
     
     
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Odd the designed windows facing the 7-storey development's wall to the east.
     
     
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Odd the designed windows facing the 7-storey development's wall to the east.
My guess is that may be changed.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2022, 9:53 PM
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I'll bet on residential strata or rental on the Richards site

That Richards drawing looks similar to the Seymour site though with three floors of amenities. And looks more like a hotel entrance than residential.

     
     
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Moxy is described as offering guests "everything they want and nothing they don't" - so that's the hotel with the smaller rooms. "Element offers longer stay comfort with a conscience and thoughtful signature amenities, from its complimentary healthy Rise breakfast and Relax evening reception, to all-natural saline swimming pools". (However, I don't see any pool with this hotel - I don't think the site is big enough).

Hotel 1 (the lower floors) has the main floor lounge, bar and triple height atrium, while hotel 2 has a jump elevator to the top floors. There are 261 short-stay lower floor rooms with smaller, either king or queen beds. The larger Hotel 2 rooms start on floor 18 - long term with 132 rooms.

The amenities on the 3rd floor (the fitness centre, meeting rooms and guest laundry) are indicated as shared between both hotels. So is the lounge at the top of the hotel, and outdoor terrace and it's also where the lobby for Hotel 2 is located. There's no bar or restaurant shown up there, (although there is a kitchen and dining/event space). So I think hotel 1 (short stay) is the Moxy, and the long stay is the Element on the upper floors. If they offer the breakfast that other Element hotels offer, that will presumably be offered in the dining space up there.
Got it, that makes sense.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2022, 10:15 PM
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I'll bet on residential strata or rental on the Richards site

That Richards drawing looks similar to the Seymour site though with three floors of amenities. And looks more like a hotel entrance than residential.

Maybe a Ritz-Carlton Hotel and Residence? (Just a wild guess)
     
     
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I'll bet on residential strata or rental on the Richards site

That Richards drawing looks similar to the Seymour site though with three floors of amenities. And looks more like a hotel entrance than residential.
It has to have at least 2 FSR of commercial of some sort. Another hotel, with residential above would work. Or long stay rental apartments above hotel units like Hotel Blu. Paul Y Construction BC built a strata building next to Stanley Park in 1974, but I assume that Paul Y Mansion, a rental tower on Barclay Street from 1970 might be theirs too.
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Why is TelusGarden pegged as 159 meters? It's not even close to that, unless those are from sea level. Although then many of the other heights make no sense...
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 26, 2022, 12:57 AM
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If that Richards Street development sketch is for that other parking lot then I guess they also own that two storey building next door?
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 26, 2022, 1:05 AM
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Why is TelusGarden pegged as 159 meters? It's not even close to that, unless those are from sea level. Although then many of the other heights make no sense...
But then all the other heights are sort of similar to their actual height..

Well Telus Garden is listed as 445 feet/135.6m (159m)
L'Aria 47m (42m)
Vita is 89.9m to the spire (81m)
Scotia 137.8 (142m)
Capitol 126.2 (126m)
Vancouver Centre II 122.8 (127m)
     
     
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Maybe they are view cone maximum heights to prove some point?
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 26, 2022, 1:49 AM
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Ground elevation at Telus Garden is about 24m, 135+24=159. They probably took the height above sea level by mistake.
     
     
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