Public Disorder & the Decline of Vancouver's Livability

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Is the world also guffawing at Los Angeles? Giggling at Phoenix? Splitting their sides at Seattle? (They've had exactly the same problems there clearing the sidewalks, with the fire department requiring the tents cleared. There are also encampments in parks too).

If you keep taking US cities as examples, we all know we have sunken to their level. Like I said many times before, you are comparing us with the worst cities in North America. Can you cite good examples from elsewhere for a change? I bet you can't.

[Vin]

Still extremely safe: please hang out at the DTES more often and enjoy all the gong shows constantly happening: never a dull moment.

Woman hospitalized in the Downtown Eastside's third shooting in a week
https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/local...-woman-hospital-serious-injuries-5687331

"Investigators believe the shooting likely occurred in the Downtown Eastside but have been unable to obtain further details from the victim due to her injuries," state police in a media release.

It's believed to be the third shooting in or around the Downtown Eastside in less than a week; police are investigating two other incidents that left two men with non-life-threatening injuries.

Woman found badly injured with gunshot wounds in the Downtown Eastside
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/downtown-eastside-shooting

[dreambrother808]

Originally Posted by chowhou

Once you reach the "the stats are fake, the government is lying to you" phase, you might need a reality check.

On the forum, this is Vin’s fallback position to every topic he passionately discusses based on feelings instead of facts.

It would actually be quite shocking if he chose not to dig in his heels each time.

[CivicBlues]

Vin: Vancouver is the worst when compared to the rest of the world!

Other forumers: *Compares Vancouver to the rest of the world*

Vin: No fair!! You can't compare Vancouver to the worst places in the world!!

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Vin

Just go to the more developed world outside North America and walk their streets, including the worst neighbourhoods, then come back to our downtown

LOL your made up anecdotes aren't evidence.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Vin

Using misleading figures to sway the crowd I see. Your anonymity does not preclude you from being taken to court by the real concerned residents for showing fake data that you conveniently pulled from Google, eh?

Only 540 sheltered and unsheltered homeless folks here? LOL.

LOL somebody proved you completely wrong. Take the L.

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Vin

If you keep taking US cities as examples, we all know we have sunken to their level. Like I said many times before, you are comparing us with the worst cities in North America. Can you cite good examples from elsewhere for a change? I bet you can't.

You were the one who said Vancouver had worse homelessness than cities in the US. Tittering at Toronto? (Still with 121 encampments). Whooping at Winnipeg? Chuckling at Kitchener?...

[SpongeG]

THIS SURVEY EXPLORES CANADIANS’ AND AMERICANS’ PERSPECTIVES ON THE RETURN TO WORK AND WHETHER THE DOWNTOWN CORE NEAR WHERE THEY LIVE IS DECLINING.

SITUATION IN THE DOWNTOWN CORES
Canadians (45%) are more likely than Americans (31%) to indicate that the state of the downtown core closest to where they live has declined in the last year.
15% of Canadians and 18% of Americans say they or a close friend/family member have feared for their safety in the downtown core closest to where they live in the last 6 months.



https://leger360.com/surveys/legers-north-american-tracker-august-11-2022/

[dreambrother808]

I would wonder assume that Americans already had more negative perceptions of their downtown cores though.

If you already think something is bad then a change isn’t going to register as powerfully.

[WarrenC12]

Originally Posted by Vin

If you keep taking US cities as examples, we all know we have sunken to their level. Like I said many times before, you are comparing us with the worst cities in North America. Can you cite good examples from elsewhere for a change? I bet you can't.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Changing City

You were the one who said Vancouver had worse homelessness than cities in the US. Tittering at Toronto? (Still with 121 encampments). Whooping at Winnipeg? Chuckling at Kitchener?...

Originally Posted by CivicBlues

Vin: Vancouver is the worst when compared to the rest of the world!

Other forumers: *Compares Vancouver to the rest of the world*

Vin: No fair!! You can't compare Vancouver to the worst places in the world!!

Putting words in my mouth again I see.: no difference from the most corrupt out there.

Originally Posted by Vin

Never said it isn't a problem anywhere else, but still insist we are certainly ranked one of the worst out there: up there with the worst in the US. Your constant denial is, well, expected.

For someone who uses a misleading chart to show how low Vancouver is in the ranking, you have totally lost your credibility here.

Originally Posted by WarrenC12

And herein cometh the blind doddypoll follower of thy mob.....

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Vin

Putting words in my mouth again I see.

No, you said we were 'up there with the worst in the US'. We aren't

Originally Posted by Vin

For someone who uses a misleading chart to show how low Vancouver is in the ranking, you have totally lost your credibility here.

Not really, because the chart only very slightly underestimated the Vancouver housing number of homeless per 10,000 people. And Migrant Coconut and I calculated the correct number - which didn't change where Vancouver was on the chart. So whatever credibility I may have 'lost' should have been recovered by my checking the number, and suggesting a correction.

Admittedly, you have no way of losing any credibility. And you still haven't acknowledged that pretty much every city in North America - US and Canada, have faced increasing problems of homelessness, and that Vancouver has fewer people per 10,000 population than most of them. Including those three Canadian examples I offered you. Unless you have some actual data? Or a chart of your own?

[Vin]

Please, just dole out appropriate long sentences to put these scums away for good.....even better: send them to a penal colony.

Vancouver man arrested, charged months after machete stranger attack
https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/local...-charged-machete-stranger-attack-5690047

Assault charge laid after Vancouver police say officers were 'swarmed' by crowd
https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/bc-ne...y-officers-were-swarmed-by-crowd-5689278

Enough is enough.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Changing City

No, you said we were 'up there with the worst in the US'. We aren't



Not really, because the chart only very slightly underestimated the Vancouver housing number of homeless per 10,000 people. And Migrant Coconut and I calculated the correct number - which didn't change where Vancouver was on the chart. So whatever credibility I may have 'lost' should have been recovered by my checking the number, and suggesting a correction.

Admittedly, you have no way of losing any credibility. And you still haven't acknowledged that pretty much every city in North America - US and Canada, have faced increasing problems of homelessness, and that Vancouver has fewer people per 10,000 population than most of them. Including those three Canadian examples I offered you. Unless you have some actual data? Or a chart of your own?

Rhetorics, rhetorics.....the reality is donwtown Vancouver is up there with the worst in the US, even if you and others keep denying it.

I never deny that US homelessness and disorderliness are the certainly among, if not the worst in the world. I often cite how similar our own example in Vancouver is to the US cities, and if we don't do anything now, will definitely accelerate to their levels. My words could be drastic, but at least they are succeeding in getting more notice, haven't they? For years, authorities and residents have given a blind eye and even dismiss our problems, and I am seeing the exact action from you. How is that going to help us when you keep putting lipstick on a pig when it comes to the failure of authorities tackling problems in this city? We need sterner and stricter actions, not tomorrow, but with immediate effect.

Want to see how your chart rating of Vancouver is way too low? Look at this one:
https://www.homelesshub.ca/resource/which-city-canada-has-most-homeless-people-capita-and-why

At least it reflects Vancouver's true count, at close to 0.3%, not 0.09%!

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Vin

rhetorics, rhetorics.....the reality is donwtown Vancouver is up there with the worst in the US, even if you and others keep denying it.

Evidence? Or more blah blah blah?

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Changing City

Evidence? Or more blah blah blah?

See what your neighbourhood has become:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=worst+east+hasting+DTES+disorderliness

There, for the whole world to see. Be proud.

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[GenWhy?]

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[GenWhy?]

Originally Posted by Vin

Rhetorics, rhetorics.....the reality is donwtown Vancouver is up there with the worst in the US, even if you and others keep denying it.

How big is downtown Vancouver today in our opinion. Not trying to pull a thread here, just honestly asking.

As with all of us here, and in many cities, the concept of "downtown" is fluid. Is it the CBD, is it the CDB + parts of Granville but not all of Yaletown, is it the CBD + the DTES, is it a mix and match of all and a little bit of Coal Harbour?

[Changing City]

Originally Posted by Vin

See what your neighbourhood has become:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=worst+east+hasting+DTES+disorderliness

There, for the whole world to see. Be proud.

Sigh. I know what state the DTES is in. I walk through it several times a week. It's not good, and everyone knows it's got worse.

That isn't the conversation that just occurred here. Many of us are pointing out that it's not unique, it's happening in most US and Canadian cities. You seem to think we're 'the worst'. In terms of the numbers of homeless people, that simply isn't true. (The link you later added is 10 to 15 year old data, and is quoting City numbers not Metro numbers, which is what you have to use to compare with other cities).

You also don't seem to acknowledge, or even have any interest in why things are so bad, and what could improve the situation. Well, you do seem to favour one solution; you want them locked up, or beaten up by the police, or probably both.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Anybody who's gullible enough to use YouTube op-eds and tabloid articles as "facts" is already losing the argument.