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Old Posted Aug 8, 2022, 10:03 PM
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You two sound alike.
And you sound like the clickbait tabloids you quote. So what? You still haven't disproven my point - every other city in the first world has its own tabloids saying they're the "least safe."
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2022, 10:08 PM
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Is it really so hard to accept that it both could be worse and could be better? (And on the scale from worse to better worldwide, we're much closer to the better side than the worse side). This should just be taken as a fact. We're certainly not a dangerous hellscape by any means, but this doesn't mean we should give up trying to improve the city's liveability.

The better question is whether Vancouver is improving or declining, and it's easy to point to murder statistics which have consistently fallen for the past 40 years, but is that trend going to continue?
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2022, 10:16 PM
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Is it really so hard to accept that it both could be worse and could be better? (And on the scale from worse to better worldwide, we're much closer to the better side than the worse side). This should just be taken as a fact. We're certainly not a dangerous hellscape by any means, but this doesn't mean we should give up trying to improve the city's liveability.

The better question is whether Vancouver is improving or declining, and it's easy to point to murder statistics which have consistently fallen for the past 40 years, but is that trend going to continue?
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And now the mayor is seeking what I have been wanting all along......:
Why does the mayor link the machete attack to prolific offenders? There's been nothing released publicly to suggest the attacker was a prolific offender. He had apparently been living in that SRO for some time.
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2022, 10:43 PM
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Why does the mayor link the machete attack to prolific offenders? There's been nothing released publicly to suggest the attacker was a prolific offender. He had apparently been living in that SRO for some time.
When I look through my rose tinted glasses, perhaps the mayor is privy to information about this individual that hasn't been publicised.

When I look through my jade tinted glasses, I also know the election is only 2 months away now.
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2022, 11:38 PM
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Maybe they can enforce a machete ban.
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2022, 11:50 PM
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Maybe they can enforce a machete ban.
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but I could go over to my knife block right now and pull out a cleaver and go crazy. I would honestly wonder if this person actually had a literal machete, or a large chef's knife.
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Mayor: Vancouver is safe!
Vin: The Mayor is an idiot! Vancouver is unsafe!
Mayor: Vancouver is becoming unsafe and this needs to be addressed!
Vin: The Mayor is an idiot! He said Vancouver was safe!
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What is it about Vancouver and machetes anyway?
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What is it about Vancouver and machetes anyway?
We're not really different from Winnipeg with a second incident in a week, Markham, Brandon, Calgary, Guelph. Toronto seems to have more guns available. Here, those are mostly (but not exclusively) used in drug gang turf wars. And Montreal seems to see knife attacks, sometimes random, it seems.
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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but I could go over to my knife block right now and pull out a cleaver and go crazy. I would honestly wonder if this person actually had a literal machete, or a large chef's knife.
I'm guessing it's something along the lines of this:



Items recovered from tents at Oppenheimer in 2020

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/guns-machetes-smok...t-at-oppenheimer-park-vpd-says-1.4830807
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I'm guessing it's something along the lines of this:



Items recovered from tents at Oppenheimer in 2020

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/guns-machetes-smok...t-at-oppenheimer-park-vpd-says-1.4830807
Machete it is! Though I feel like you could do just as much damage with a typical Chinese chef's knife.



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Machetes are kinda handy. I keep one under the kitchen sink.
With one tool you have a hammer, carving knife, brush clearing tool and a weapon. Also works great on saplings. They're cheap to buy and can be found at surplus outlets, camping supply stores and I think even Canadian Tire.

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Maybe they can enforce a machete ban.
This is impossible to enforce. It's hard enough to control the sale and possession of bear spray.
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2022, 10:36 PM
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Why does the mayor link the machete attack to prolific offenders? There's been nothing released publicly to suggest the attacker was a prolific offender. He had apparently been living in that SRO for some time.
He is the mayor, and I bet he knows a lot more than we do. There are so many embarrassing things in our City that I'm sure many remain hidden if no one bothers to expose them.

Unlike what many forumers may like to think, there are actually many criminals living in the SROs.
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We are inviting the whole world to come here to view our big open sewer..... If "our city is just like other cities", I'm pretty sure these visitors would not have been so shocked by our downtown open toilets.

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"Not as advertised": Here's what tourists are saying about Gastown
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/gastown-tourists-bad-reviews

As the City of Vancouver prepares to tackle the Downtown Eastside encampment, Vancouver tourists — and specifically Gastown visitors — are not enthused.

Tourists from around the world are getting an up close look at the problems of homelessness as well as the drug crisis pushing into historic Gastown.

Many of the negative reviews on Gastown left by tourists were visits that took place within the last month.

One of the reviews recommends not visiting Gastown if you have kids, and other tourists reflect on drugs, homelessness, and unsightly events like seeing people use alleys as toilets. A tourist from New Zealand suggests that they booked a hotel in Gastown and, after walking around, they never ventured back.

“Not recommended especially if you have kids”
“There is homelessness which I completely understand exists in big cities, but I was not expecting the open use of drugs and needles.”

They mentioned that this was the first time they’d seen this in real life “and it was disturbing.”

“So many websites and blogs suggest visiting Gastown and the steam clock, but honestly, you should give this area a miss.”

“No go area”
This review from a visitor from the Netherlands actually states that the area close to the waterfront is fine.

“We went for a stroll through Gastown to Chinatown, but take my advice, don’t.”

They say that “nothing happened,” but that they had never seen so many homeless in their life. They suggest taking a car or an Uber, not walking.

“It is literally a tented camp, in front of houses and stores.”

They claimed that there were hundreds of people, if not more.

“History, Shops, Tourists and a Warning: Gastown Tips”
A review left by a visitor from Santa Barbara, California, suggests that Gastown is still worth a visit.

“Vancouver, like most big cities, has a serious homeless and drug issue.”

They continue that the “residents won’t bother you if you don’t bother them. Keep moving. Be careful at night.”

This review ends by saying that it’s well worth a visit, but to be smart and safe.

Before and after the pandemic
While many of these reviews were left within the last month, the negative sentiments thanks to the poverty stricken Downtown Eastside stretch back to 2021 and 2020.

There were multiple reviews that cautioned visitors to be careful at night, or just to stay away altogether.

If you go back in time through Tripadvisor, the reviews tend to become more favourable for Gastown pre-pandemic. While you’ll still see the occasional review talking about a bad experience with homelessness in the area, most of the reviews tend to be positive.

There are also some good reviews that have been left recently, but a majority of the reviews left in 2021 and 2022 tend to at least mention homelessness and poverty in the area. It remains to be seen whether the decampment in the Downtown Eastside will have a positive impact on the neighbourhood.

Daily Hive has reached out to the Gastown Business Improvement Association for comment.

Still think our city is presentable or normal? Well, definitely not according to the whole world.
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2022, 11:15 PM
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Again with the cheap tabloid trash. Looks like some tourists (and some Vancouverites) need to get out more.

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... In Hawaii -- which has the highest per capita homelessness rate of any state -- officials in recent years have begun to crack down on homelessness, closing parks and beaches at night and criminalizing such acts as sitting on the sidewalk and storing belongings on public land. The Hawaii Lodging and Tourism Association even instituted a program that paid the airfare for homeless people who wanted to return to the mainland.

Critics claim such actions don't solve the problem, but merely move it to another neighborhood, another community.

In any case, homelessness in Hawaii appears to have scant effect on visitors: The Hawaii Tourism Authority reported last month that 9.4 million travelers visited the islands in 2017, a record.

The number of people visiting Portland and Seattle, too, keeps growing every year.

The homeless population grows too, despite many good-faith efforts to help.

And visitors do notice. Last year, as I researched hotels for my August trip to Oregon and Washington, I came across numerous consumer reviews from travelers who commented on the homeless problems in both Seattle and Portland, warning about areas in the cities to avoid.

Best I could tell, no one had been harmed or injured or even significantly bothered during their visit -- but many reviewers expressed some general unease about specific areas as well as the cities as a whole.

Every big city has its problems -- I'm from Cleveland, I get that -- so I didn't let these negative reviewers overly influence me...

https://www.cleveland.com/travel/2018/02/amid_tourism_boom_west_coast_c.html
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We are inviting the whole world to come here to view our big open sewer..... If "our city is just like other cities", I'm pretty sure these visitors would not have been so shocked by our downtown open toilets.
You make some good points Vin. I mean look at this. No other city is like Vancouver.







https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...camp-week-hotel-turn-shelter-opened.html
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You make some good points Vin. I mean look at this. No other city is like Vancouver.







https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...camp-week-hotel-turn-shelter-opened.html
Looking all over google to look for a tent city just to prove me wrong I see?

All your effort still does not discount the fact that we have a much more horrible downtown than most wealthy nation cities, except those in the US, which I won't even bother anymore.
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Violence erupts between police and large crowd in Downtown Eastside
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/police-downtown-eastside

Logan5, now try to google up anywhere in the world similar to this?

What can i say if folks choose to be blind here.
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Violence erupts between police and large crowd in Downtown Eastside
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/police-downtown-eastside

Logan5, now try to google up anywhere in the world similar to this?

What can i say if folks choose to be blind here.
Blind to what Vin? Isn't this your wet dream? A heavy police presence, a bunch of homeless people and their advocates getting arrested, and a few of the tents that people were living in forcibly removed from the sidewalk.

I mean, it's not as if they hadn't been offered alternative accommodation. What's that? There isn't any alternative accommodation to offer them, and they're just being told they have to move, without any suggestion of where they can move to? Ah, that might make things a little tense, then.
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