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Old Posted Aug 7, 2022, 1:37 PM
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This also delays Stage 3 further.
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Old Posted Aug 7, 2022, 4:13 PM
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This also delays Stage 3 further.
No it doesn't. Stage 1 was delayed but the initial procurement for Stage 2 were all 'on track'. The projects run in parallel.

I.e. the mass of people who do the design, project conception, etc are different from the mass of people that actually see the thing through.
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It's disappointing, but completely understandable that the west is delayed. Trillum on the other hand, should be a pretty simple project. A full year behind seems a bit much.

At least the east is still on track.
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It's disappointing, but completely understandable that the west is delayed. Trillum on the other hand, should be a pretty simple project. A full year behind seems a bit much.

At least the east is still on track.
Good Day.

Yep.... Trillium should NOT be that far late.

And AFAIK (no documentation but continuous reading of snippets here and there),
KEV actually spotwise diverted some resources (materiels and manpower) from the West to the East to keep the East "on-track",
back when they fell 3 months behind on the West, and decided to make best-use-of.

FWIW.
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Trillum on the other hand, should be a pretty simple project. A full year behind seems a bit much.
I am not sure if they are saying it will be a full year (they are saying Summer not August). Having said that, Winter may be playing a role in the length of the delay. Some things might be harder to do in the winter so they will need to wait until spring. Just speculation though.

Not sure if it is possible, but it would be nice if they could prioritize the restoration of existing service (Bayview to Greenboro) to get that back up and running ASAP and then finish the new stations and extensions at a later date.
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Last winter they put up a lot of tent structures to allow them to do concrete work, they likely weren't planning on doing that again this coming winter though. Either way most of the concrete work should be done and I expect it will be mostly detail work and trackage / testing over the winter which hopefully shouldn't get too effected by it
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This also delays Stage 3 further.
What Stage 3?

There's a wishlist. But no actual funding. Stage 3 was unlikely to even be considered for launch before 2026 anyway (after another federal and provincial election).
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It's disappointing, but completely understandable that the west is delayed. Trillum on the other hand, should be a pretty simple project. A full year behind seems a bit much.

At least the east is still on track.
Agreed all around. I would feel so much better about Line 2 if Walkley was twinned! Also... show of hands if you have ever seen more than a couple people working on anything other than the bridge over the VIA tracks? South Keys has been a ghost town every time I walk by.

Back to the topic at hand. The west delays are no surprise given the complexity of that extension. Retrofitting existing transitway stations, Baily bridge, 2 cut and cover tunnels, LF transfer station, MSF facility, terminus station at Baseline. Pinecrest alone is a massive undertaking.

Aside from Covid/supply issues and some soil conditions that didn't quite meet initial samples we haven't really suffered any major delays like sinkholes and such. Just feels like attrition where you lose .5/1 days a week every week due to a million factors.

Given that no rail has been laid in the west yet, I really hope they get to the bottom of this so called wheel profile/rail shape issue that has come to light recently. That situation needs a resolution ASAP.
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What Stage 3?

There's a wishlist. But no actual funding. Stage 3 was unlikely to even be considered for launch before 2026 anyway (after another federal and provincial election).
It's DOA once it didn't get firm commitment in 2021. By 2025 likely most hostile to Ottawa PM ever (ironically first from Ottawa (though not really). Provincially maybe on the cusp of a new govt too but they can't do it on their own.
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Old Posted Aug 8, 2022, 11:49 PM
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Transit advocates frustrated by possible western LRT extension delay
Memo to city council warns of possible delay of up to a year

Emily Haws · CBC
Posted: Aug 08, 2022 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: August 8


Some transit advocates say they're frustrated over the potential delay of up to a year for the western extension of Ottawa's light rail transit system.

Rail construction program director Michael Morgan outlined the delay in a quarterly update memo to city council Friday.

The western extension of the Confederation Line was contracted to be completed by 2025 — but now it could be 2026, Morgan said.

"The City is working closely with East West Connectors (EWC) to maintain the Confederation Line extension schedule," he said. "The project is on the original timeline in the east for handover in May 2024 but there are significant schedule pressures on the western segment of up to a year."

The situation is a bit discouraging, said Ottawa Transit Riders member Laura Shantz.

"We know that there's a lot of pressure on the bus network. We know we need to get trains coming on in order to relieve that pressure," said Shantz, who is running for council in Rideau-Vanier ward.

"To know that we're going to have another year before that happens, that means that we're likely to see more headaches for the bus riders."

Horizon Ottawa spokesperson Sam Hersh said he's not surprised, given there were many delays during the construction of the initial stage of the Confederation Line.

"The first thing that came to my mind when I hear it is, like, what exactly is going right with our transit system these days?" he said.

"I mean, we have hundreds of bus [route] cancellations ... and now we have this news about this project being delayed."

Still, Hersh said it's important not to rush the extension.

"We saw what happened with our current light rail train. So if it takes more time to ensure it's safe, then I think that's important," he said, adding he would like more transparency from city officials.

Construction delays on the Confederation Line were examined during the recent public inquiry into Ottawa's LRT. Testimony wrapped up last month, and the final public report is expected this fall.

Expansion work on the north-south Trillium Line is also continuing, the memo notes, with a handover to the city still expected in the summer of 2023.

That project has also seen delays, with the handover originally scheduled to take place this month.

The potential impacts from labour strikes, supply issues and other events on both expansion projects are still under review, Morgan said.

With files from Rebecca Kwan

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...elay-1.6544311
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2022, 2:40 AM
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I don’t understand why they are focusing on the delays to the western extension. The delay on the Trillium line is far more problematic. That delay will put a lot more pressure on the bus network as the relief buses aren’t following an optimized bus route. The completion of it (and later the eastern extension) will free up a lot of buses to help in the west.
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2022, 3:45 PM
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I am not sure if they are saying it will be a full year (they are saying Summer not August). Having said that, Winter may be playing a role in the length of the delay. Some things might be harder to do in the winter so they will need to wait until spring. Just speculation though.

Not sure if it is possible, but it would be nice if they could prioritize the restoration of existing service (Bayview to Greenboro) to get that back up and running ASAP and then finish the new stations and extensions at a later date.
Agreed. As per PHrenetic's comment, if KEV did in fact divert resources to the east to keep it on track knowing that the west would be delayed regardless, the same could and should (have been) done along Trillium to get Greenboro to Bayview open quicker.
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Old Posted Aug 9, 2022, 5:15 PM
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Agreed. As per PHrenetic's comment, if KEV did in fact divert resources to the east to keep it on track knowing that the west would be delayed regardless, the same could and should (have been) done along Trillium to get Greenboro to Bayview open quicker.
I suspect the problem is that while KEV has separate milestones (with rewards for completing them) for east and west completion, the completion of the entire Trillium line is set as a single milestone, and reinstating the existing service does not achieve a milestone and thus is not rewarded.
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It's between Bayview and Pimisi. It's not a passenger loop, but a bus staging area.

https://www.google.com/maps/search/b.../data=!3m1!1e3
I'm late to the response here, but this facility is not permanent. It was needed when the express buses started their eastbound trips at Lebreton, and was supposed to be discontinued when the line opened. OC has continued using it occasionally for events like Bluesfest and RedBlacks games, but it will be developed eventually.
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I'm late to the response here, but this facility is not permanent. It was needed when the express buses started their eastbound trips at Lebreton, and was supposed to be discontinued when the line opened. OC has continued using it occasionally for events like Bluesfest and RedBlacks games, but it will be developed eventually.
Good to hear. I assume it may not be until after Stage 2 West opens.

Would be great if they could add a third track (pocket track) in the Scott Street Trench near Tunney's for the same reason.
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The Iris street bridge over the future station is open, and the old diversion road around it is being removed. They've also paved (but as of yesterday not opened) the new MUP on the west side of the Transitway from Iris south towards the existing MUP that goes under Baseline Rd.

I visited the Queensway transit station while I was out there and... my god, what a miserable place. I've ridden on the MUP right past it many times, but I hadn't been inside it in years. It's by far the worst of the remaining major bus transit stations.

The highway noise is intense, it's dirty and crumbling and far too dark on the lower level, even in the daytime. There's an incredibly loud buzzing noise from a faulty light/electrical transformer on the southbound lower platform

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The Iris street bridge over the future station is open, and the old diversion road around it is being removed. They've also paved (but as of yesterday not opened) the new MUP on the west side of the Transitway from Iris south towards the existing MUP that goes under Baseline Rd.

I visited the Queensway transit station while I was out there and... my god, what a miserable place. I've ridden on the MUP right past it many times, but I hadn't been inside it in years. It's by far the worst of the remaining major bus transit stations.

The highway noise is intense, it's dirty and crumbling and far too dark on the lower level, even in the daytime. There's an incredibly loud buzzing noise from a faulty light/electrical transformer on the southbound lower platform
Was by today, mup still not open and I don't think it will be for a while as it looks like there using it to access the rail site beyond the station.

But as for Queensway station, yeah the thing is deteriorating fast....
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Richmond Road condo residents fear noise, vibration from nearby LRT
“We might not have bought here if we had known the LRT would be in our front yard. Nobody knew how bad this was going to be.”

Andrew Duffy, Ottawa Citizen
Sep 02, 2022 • 54 minutes ago • 4 minute read




Residents of a Richmond Road condominium say they’re worried the new Confederation Line West LRT will pass so close to their building as to make their lives miserable.

Tracks for the new LRT line, now under construction, will pass within two metres of the condominium’s underground parking garage at 1190 Richmond Road, near the Sir John A. Macdonald Parkway. The city expropriated the north-west corner of the condo property as part of the LRT project.

Trains will enter and exit a curving underground trench in the shadow of the eight-storey building, and residents are worried the resultant noise and vibrations will be unbearable.

“Since the trains have to negotiate a sharp curve and accelerate up an incline, we will be experiencing ‘wheel squeal’ in addition to the normal noise of the trains with every pass,” said Katherine Addleman, president of the condominium’s board of directors.

Addleman said 624 trains are expected to bypass the condo on weekdays between 5 a.m. and 2 a.m. when the LRT is in full operation.

A city noise study has concluded the trains will generate about 70 decibels of noise under optimal conditions — a level considered acceptable under provincial noise guidelines.

But Addleman said the city’s experience with the problem-plagued Confederation Line suggests optimal conditions will be hard to maintain. It’s more likely, she said, the LRT’s performance will be subpar with noise levels in the 80-90 decibel range with each passing train.

“It will be a health hazard,” she said.

Bonnie Kettel’s seventh floor condominium overlooks the future LRT. Her bedroom and living room have windows that open onto the rain line. “Urban transit is really important,” she said, “but they have to make it so that people can live next to it in a reasonable, comfortable way.”

The 30-unit condominium on Richmond Road was built in the late 1970s and once faced a stand of mature trees on National Capital Commission land. Those trees were cut down to accommodate the new LRT line.

“I bought here in 2018, and this was all forest,” condo resident Huston Eubank said. “We might not have bought here if we had known the LRT would be in our front yard. Nobody knew how bad this was going to be.”

The existing Confederation Line has already faced noise complaints.

In a review of the Stage 1 Confederation Line, the engineering firm Mott MacDonald found that “noise and vibration peaks” were associated with tight turns on the line. Those sections of rail were marked by corrugation — scoring caused by friction between wheels and rail — that increased noise levels beyond acceptable limits, the report said.

On the worst section of track between Hurdman and Lees stations, the noise has reached 91 decibels, the report found.

Addleman said the western extension of the Confederation Line will curve in front of the Richmond Road condo in much the same way it curves between Hurdman and Lees. “Ninety-one decibels is like having a leaf blower in your bedroom,” she said. “I just don’t think our building will be livable if we have noise like they do at Hurdman.”

The condo board has asked the city to use the best available technology to mitigate potential problems, including a floating track slab that reduces vibration and noise, and sound absorbent walls in the LRT trench.

But the city has so far opted for more modest measures: a three-metre noise wall similar to those that line urban highways, and rail fasteners that can be affixed beneath the track. The city will also be planting new trees to further attenuate the noise.

Michael Morgan, director of the rail construction program, said the city is committed to working with the condo residents. “The project team has been and continues to be actively engaged with the residents of 1190 Richmond Road and the broader community to help mitigate their concerns regarding construction and future light rail operations,” he said Thursday.

The LRT’s tracks will be subject to an inspection and maintenance program to address the kind of corrugation, he added, that can make trains noisier.

A third-party consultant and the project team concluded that a floating slab system is not required near the Richmond Road property since the rail fasteners will isolate the tracks and absorb some of their energy. The fasteners, a kind of baseplate, are expected to reduce vibration and noise levels to below the noise guidelines set by the United States Federal Transit Administration, Morgan said.

Addleman said the noise wall is unsightly and will only dampen sound for people living on the lower floors of the 30-unit condominium.

An April 2022 study conducted by the city found the new LRT will cause less than 80 decibels of noise at 1190 Richmond Road — slightly louder than the sound of a passing bus. It will also be less noisy, the study said, than what’s currently being experienced by those living at 215 Parkdale Avenue.

People living in the 14-floor Parkdale Avenue condo, on the northern edge of the Confederation Line near Tunney’s Pasture, have complained that passing trains sound like fighter jets.

According to a Government of Ontario website, city traffic (70 decibels) and a noisy restaurant (80 decibels) are considered loud noises, while very loud sounds include things such as lawn mowers (90 decibels) and chainsaws (100 decibels).

Exposure to excessive noise can cause sleep disturbances, cardiovascular problems and depression among other things, according to the World Health Organization.

The Confederation Line West project is expected to be finished in 2026; it will add 15 kilometres of rail and 11 rapid transit stations to the LRT system.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local...rom-nearby-lrt
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Sounds like fighter jets eh... you really can't make this stuff up.

In all seriousness though, noise dampening measures are good for both nearby residents and O-Train users alike, so hope they can find a solution.
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Sounds like fighter jets eh... you really can't make this stuff up.

In all seriousness though, noise dampening measures are good for both nearby residents and O-Train users alike, so hope they can find a solution.
This article all but confirms my suspicions as to why so many condos have been for sale at "the continental" over the past year or so.

If it wasn't for the Condo fees being ridiculous at $750 for a 2 bedroom unit, I might have been tempted to buy.

https://www.realtor.ca/real-estate/2...-ottawa-ottawa
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