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And hoping that there's enough soil depth for mature trees.
You can see that the roof of the tunnel is slightly below the top of the bedrock, so if anything it will be deeper than what was there before.
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Good points, both of you.
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Old Posted Jul 22, 2022, 3:57 PM
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From O-Train fans snapshot updates.

Pinecrest, July 12th



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Old Posted Jul 29, 2022, 5:44 PM
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Old Posted Aug 2, 2022, 3:21 PM
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Some great drone photography along the western alignment.

Scott Street Trench.

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Richmond Tunnel.

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Lincoln Fields.

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Algonquin and Iris.

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Moodie to Pinecrest.

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Close-ups of Jeanne d'Arc, amongst other statins, from OC Transpo.

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I've never understood why they decided to build Lincoln Field station so far from the road (carling) I'm sure they are technical issues that prevented this and I'm not aware of, but at first glance its just seem silly.
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I've never understood why they decided to build Lincoln Field station so far from the road (carling) I'm sure they are technical issues that prevented this and I'm not aware of, but at first glance its just seem silly.
They shifted it to keep it away from a flood plain.


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Old Posted Aug 5, 2022, 2:34 PM
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Ah, yes. The theoretical flood plain. (Anyone have any recollection of any water build-upsitting in this section of the Transitway or Sir JAM Parkway? Ever?)

I think that the more important change in the alignment was to straighten out the route of the trains.

Anyway, I think the question still stands; why was the station pulled away from Carling? Since a new underpass was being constructed, why not build it wider and include the platforms underneath.

I think that the answer is cost reduction. Minimizing the width of the new structure minimized the cost of this station.

Remember, because of the three-track configuration of the station, the width includes a platform, track, track, double-platform, track. And, the preference would be for no bridge piers on the platforms. That would mean a clear-span of almost 30 metres to include the station. If they only run tracks under the road, then the required width is less. And they could even add piers to further reduce the cost.
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You're probably right; cost reduction was very likely the main reasoning and they used the flood plain to justify this to the public. Under Carling with entrances on both sides would have made for much more efficient bus transfers. It would have opened-up land north of Carling for TOD (if the NCC allowed). It would have made the station more accessible for those living south of Carling.

I don't think straightening the alignment was part of the reasoning; around the same time, they added a significant kink in the track just past Blair by using the existing underpass instead of building a new one. Cost cutting there as well despite them calling it an "improved" alignment.
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I've never understood why they decided to build Lincoln Field station so far from the road (carling) I'm sure they are technical issues that prevented this and I'm not aware of, but at first glance its just seem silly.
The question was why the station is so far from Carling Ave. The floodplain, as depicted, would not have prevented the station from being located further south, at, or even under, Carling. There must have been other reasons.
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Was a bus loop planned before they moved the station?
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Was a bus loop planned before they moved the station?
There are a couple local routes terminate at Lincoln Fields so I am sure a small loop would have been required if, for no other reason, to turn around the buses.
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There are a couple local routes terminate at Lincoln Fields so I am sure a small loop would have been required if, for no other reason, to turn around the buses.
Yeah, I guess. Bus loops are just such a waste of space. With Algonquin and Bayshore being so close, it would have been nice to use that land for TOD (with the NCC's permission) instead.

Tunney's and Bayview are really strange spots for bus loops post Stage 2. I imagine the Bayview bus loop will be redevelop as part of the LeBreton master plan, even if it's towards the end (seem to be just outside the Sens arena parcel).
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Yeah, I guess. Bus loops are just such a waste of space. With Algonquin and Bayshore being so close, it would have been nice to use that land for TOD (with the NCC's permission) instead.

Tunney's and Bayview are really strange spots for bus loops post Stage 2. I imagine the Bayview bus loop will be redevelop as part of the LeBreton master plan, even if it's towards the end (seem to be just outside the Sens arena parcel).
Do you mean Blair? there is no bus loop at Bayview
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Do you mean Blair? there is no bus loop at Bayview
It's between Bayview and Pimisi. It's not a passenger loop, but a bus staging area.

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Yeah, I guess. Bus loops are just such a waste of space. With Algonquin and Bayshore being so close, it would have been nice to use that land for TOD (with the NCC's permission) instead.

Tunney's and Bayview are really strange spots for bus loops post Stage 2. I imagine the Bayview bus loop will be redevelop as part of the LeBreton master plan, even if it's towards the end (seem to be just outside the Sens arena parcel).
OC Transpo is not very good at making compact bus loops. If you have a look at Kootenay Loop in Vancouver (a very busy, but typical bus loop there), it is only 120' x 200'. By comparison, the old bus loop at Lincoln Fields station was 140' x 615' (ignoring all the green space and the Transitway).
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OC Transpo is not very good at making compact bus loops. If you have a look at Kootenay Loop in Vancouver (a very busy, but typical bus loop there), it is only 120' x 200'. By comparison, the old bus loop at Lincoln Fields station was 140' x 615' (ignoring all the green space and the Transitway).
Most of Translink's bus loops are impressively compact, for sure. Sometimes even under buildings.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Pr...187244!5m1!1e2

Going down Millennium Line just now though, I stumbled upon a very Hurdman-esque loop at Lougheed Town Centre. Not quite as land intensive, but similar walking distance.

https://www.google.com/maps/@49.2481...8i8192!5m1!1e2
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OC Transpo is not very good at making compact bus loops. If you have a look at Kootenay Loop in Vancouver (a very busy, but typical bus loop there), it is only 120' x 200'. By comparison, the old bus loop at Lincoln Fields station was 140' x 615' (ignoring all the green space and the Transitway).
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Western LRT expansion now up to one year behind schedule: city
The western extension could be the most technically delicate part of the $4.6-billion, three-direction Stage 2 project

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Aug 06, 2022 • 5 hours ago • 2 minute read




The forked western LRT expansion is now delayed up to a year, but additional hurdles could continue impacting the original schedule for delivering the Stage 2 project.

It means west-end transit commuters might not get better access to the Confederation Line until 2026.

A quarterly O-Train project update to council revealed the city’s latest assessment of the project extending LRT to Algonquin College and Moodie Drive.

“The City is working closely with East West Connectors (EWC) to maintain the Confederation Line extension schedule,” according to Michael Morgan, the city’s rail construction director, who sent the update to council on Friday.

“The project is on the original timeline in the east for handover in May 2024 but there are significant schedule pressures on the western segment of up to a year. Potential impacts from labour strikes, supply issues and other events in 2022 are still under review.”

The western leg, which includes two cut-and-cover tunnels, is under contract to be finished by May 2025.

In recent months, the city had been predicting there could be a delay to the western project in the range of three months. Staff had been working with EWC, a partnership of Kiewit and Vinci Group, to review the schedule.

The western extension could be the most technically delicate part of the $4.6-billion, three-direction Stage 2 project.

Part of the western LRT leg involves a tunnel roughly between Dominion Station (to be renamed Kìchì Sìbì Station) and Lincoln Fields Station. A shorter tunnel will run between Connaught Park and Queensview Station.

The city has said construction of the longer, three-kilometre tunnel met early challenges with the discovery of deeper clays, but it wasn’t characterized as a technical problem.

When it comes to labour challenges, many construction workers in the city, including crane operators and road builders, were on strike earlier this year while they settled contract disputes.

On the other side of the city, EWC has managed to keep the eastern extension to Trim Road aligned with the contracted November 2024 completion target.

SNC-Lavalin, under its project name TransitNEXT, has the expansion contract for the north-south Trillium Line. The leg was originally contracted to be completed in August 2022, but the city has been warning council about a delay into 2023.

Morgan’s update to council on Friday said the Trillium Line is on track to be finished in summer 2023, but he noted the same construction variables as the Confederation Line, including labour and supply issues, that could impact the schedule.

Some good news for the Trillium Line project is all seven of the new Stadler trains have arrived in Ottawa and retrofits to the existing Alstom LINT trains are complete.

As Stage 2 contractors work on their projects and the city makes payments to the companies, there are still outstanding financial issues on Stage 1.

The federal and Ontario governments are each holding back $60 million while a third-party audit is being completed on Stage 1. Each of the upper governments committed up to $600 million for the $2.2-billion Stage 1 project, which is also the subject of a provincial inquiry.

Morgan’s update to council said no money has been held back from the upper governments on Stage 2.

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