Hamilton City Centre | ? | 3x30 & 24 fl | Proposal - Page 18

drpgq · #**341** Posted **Jul 31, 2022, 6:24 PM**

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Originally Posted by King&James

Seems to be more refinements on plans according to TPR

https://www.thepublicrecord.ca/2022/...t-application/

What would the noise studies mentioned here cover?

TheHonestMaple · #**342** Posted **Jul 31, 2022, 7:35 PM**

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Originally Posted by drpgq

What would the noise studies mentioned here cover?

Basically just how the increased vehicular traffic into and out of the parking garage will increase noise on the surrounding streets.

drpgq · #**343** Posted **Aug 2, 2022, 11:02 PM**

Thanks!

johnnyhamont · #**344** Posted **Sep 30, 2022, 4:17 PM**

Soil testing appears to be commencing?

King&James · #**345** Posted **Sep 30, 2022, 4:46 PM**

That is crazy, must be a first!

StEC · #**346** Posted **Sep 30, 2022, 8:14 PM**

WOW I find this both very exciting but also very bizarre lol

Fruitloops · #**347** Posted **Oct 1, 2022, 1:28 PM**

I remember talking to someone thinking of purchasing this property years ago and recall them saying the foundations could support multi 50 story structures.

Hope this isnt a Harry Stinson type stunt bc they dithered when rates were low and now cant afford to build.

shoelessjoe · #**348** Posted **Oct 1, 2022, 5:49 PM**

Long time since I've been in that building. Despite the vacancy -- and the fact that the design aesthetic is certainly dated -- the soil-testing photo really does show the building as having aged well -- it's still a good looking place despite its redundancy -- T. Eaton Co and Cadillac Fairview really did a nice job on it -- all worthy criticisms aside.

matt602 · #**349** Posted **Oct 1, 2022, 9:17 PM**

I agree, its a nice building. It would have been nice if they could have incorporated it into a future build instead of demolishing it but any progress is better than the dead mall thats there now.

HamiltonBoyInToronto · #**350** Posted **Oct 2, 2022, 4:14 PM**

Imagine If they updated it and moved all the stores from Jackson Square into this building.... then redeveloped the square instead

TheHonestMaple · #**351** Posted **Oct 2, 2022, 4:16 PM**

I think i'd take thousands of new downtown residents supporting local businesses and restaurants over a renovated indoor shopping mall any day,

King&James · #**352** Posted **Oct 2, 2022, 6:05 PM**

Also built and opened by CF and Eaton's, the Victoria Eaton Centre .... see how similar they look. Was there two weeks ago , better outcomes so far

https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-ea...-21078391.html

shoelessjoe · #**353** Posted **Oct 2, 2022, 6:53 PM**

Victoria (now the Bay Centre) is very similar and was developed and built at approximately the same time (Victoria opened in 1989, Hamilton a year later). Both developments involved the demolition of legacy T. Eaton Co. stores (interestingly both originally built and operated by other retailers -- The Arcade for Hamilton, Spencer's for Victoria) and the resulting malls have a very similar interior and exterior design aesthetic (post-modern Victorian) -- Victoria has indeed fared better for a multiplicity of reasons. I should add with regard to my previous post -- I think the Hamilton development had a great interior -- the exterior has been hideous from the day it was built.

ScreamingViking · #**354** Posted **Oct 3, 2022, 2:30 PM**

While I'd have loved to see something done to keep the atrium (despite the early-90s chique it could easily be updated) I think that would have meant changing it from a mall to something else that can use that kind of space. New residents from the planned towers trumps anything else. They will add to the growing downtown market for retail and services and lead to more business for the existing stores and restaurants in Jackson Square and on the area streets, and provide a base for many new ones.

Chronamut · #**355** Posted **Oct 10, 2022, 4:47 AM**

I remember going in here at christmas time and seeing the lights all lit along the arches on the barrel vault skylight ribs and thinking it was magical - only place in the entire city that has that.

Mind you it was better when all the light bulbs were working..

shoelessjoe · #**356** Posted **Oct 10, 2022, 4:52 PM**

Amazing photo Chronamut...

Testing my childhood memories here...but...in that photo -- Eddie Bauer was at left, Gap was to the right -- and if I'm not mistaken the end unit was Site of the Green...at least I think so...

matt602 · #**357** Posted **Oct 11, 2022, 5:37 AM**

As dumpy as the City Centre is now I've always thought it was one of the nicest, most sun filled spots you can find indoors downtown. The atrium in Jackson Square near King and Bay comes close but its a little too veritcal to get any natural light like City Centre does. Its a great public space even if the shopping options have been garbage for the past decade and a half.

shoelessjoe · #**358** Posted **Oct 11, 2022, 6:03 PM**

...upon further thought -- the angled storefront on the lower level was an art/poster store called Athena. I believe next to it was Smithbooks.

Chronamut · #**359** Posted **Oct 18, 2022, 3:32 AM**

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Originally Posted by matt602

As dumpy as the City Centre is now I've always thought it was one of the nicest, most sun filled spots you can find indoors downtown. The atrium in Jackson Square near King and Bay comes close but its a little too veritcal to get any natural light like City Centre does. Its a great public space even if the shopping options have been garbage for the past decade and a half.

Totally agreed - it was always beautifully bright - everything being white inside helped too.

What saddens me is that even though it's dated now it still has more beautiful architecture in the ceiling than anything that will probably ever be built since - which is just.. glass.. and right angles.. or.. odd angles.. craftmanship is dead from a classical pov. To see arches nowadays is almost unheard of. Everything new feels cold and clinical. I wish they had kept a similar skylight motif in the new design, just modernized.

ScreamingViking · #**360** Posted **Oct 18, 2022, 1:49 PM**

The round skylights above the central part would have been a good keeper, if nothing else. Would complicate the build, but how nice would it be to have an interior courtyard amidst the towers underneath that structure?