Canadian City Proposals - Page 931

WhipperSnapper · #**18601** Posted **Jul 27, 2022, 3:35 PM**

I'm always hesitant to the acceptance of mediocrity for the sake of more people in an area. It doesn't always work out that way and, when it does, it sets an ugly precedence for future development. Every large Canadian cities has communities full of people going about in spite of the architecture, the built form and/or, the urban form.

Maldive · #**18602** Posted **Jul 27, 2022, 10:59 PM**

Since there's no place to put "approved" projects (pretty important step), I put some here... noted in the project title.

Union Park | 303.26m | 58s | Oxford Properties | Pelli Clarke & Partners l Approved

- the east (super-tall) office tower is now listed as 60 storeys @ 303 metres
- the west office tower is now listed as 50 storeys @ 262 metres
- south residential tower from 54 to 52 storeys @ 192metres
- north residential tower increased from 44 to 50 storeys @ 186 metres

Phase 1: 2 residential towers and west office tower
Phase 2: east (super-tall) office tower

The proposed over-build park across the rail corridor has increased to 8,368 square metres in size (if they build it), many times larger than the CIBC Square 1 & 2 overbuild park. The deck sections for the park will be constructed in tandem with each phase.

South elevation - Note: the 2 residential (rental!) towers on the left are superimposed, appearing as one tower.

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1425 Bloor West | 65.05m | 18s | KingSett Capital | BDP Quadrangle l approved

Can’t remember if I posted this nice addition to the Junction Triangle that was just approved. Condo, rental institutional and retail.

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1801 Eglinton Avenue West | 141.83m | 41s | KingSett Capital | BDP Quadrangle l approved

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St. Dennis & Grenoble l 52s l Osmington Gerofsky Development l aA + Urban Strategies l pre-construction (Development Application just submitted)

A big infill Transit Oriented Development for long-neglected Flemington Park. The plan keeps the existing apartment buildings (no tenant relocation), adds 4 new towers, new roads and a new public park.

2,000 residential units in 4 towers: 52s, 46s, 42s and 34s.

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Not far from this classy (bricky!) offering from Diamond Schmitt & Ten Block. You go Flemington.

48 Grenoble | 144m | 43s | Tenblock | Diamond Schmitt l pre-construction

Condo and rental in 43 and 41 storey towers.

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900 The East Mall | 71.6m | 21s | Harhay | Core Architects l approved(?)

Now “recommended for approval”. 4 buildings including 836 condo units, institutional, office, public space and retail.

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123 Wynford Drive l 55s + 48s l Originate / Westdale l Moriyama & Teshima l pre-construction

This one has sparked a lot of debate as one of the towers almost sits on top of Raymond Moriyama’s 1964 (much-applauded) Japanese Canadian Cultural Centre… and what’s really suprising is the design firm that designed the towers (see title bar above).

There are some obvious design nods to the existing building like the 7 storeys of pagoda-inspired balconies… but 2 skyscrapers looming over an important city landmark, which might include a partial demolition, is a bizarre choice (anywhere else this would be 2 thumbs up imo).

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Balconies above the Cultural Centre.

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Jarvis & Earl Place l 58s l Originate l pre-construction

Another tall one proposed for Jarvis St. a few blocks south of Bloor.

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141 Roehampton | 158.7m | 48s | Lifetime | Wallman Architects l pre-construction

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The Bedford | 52.97m | 13s | Burnac Corporation | AUDAX l pre-construction

Two storeys shorter in the new rendering but still looks good.

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TorontoDrew · #**18603** Posted **Jul 28, 2022, 3:45 PM**

A few really solid looking proposals there. I love the balconies on the Wynford Drive proposal.

Maldive · #**18604** Posted **Jul 28, 2022, 4:47 PM**

Union Centre | 298m | 54s | Westbank | Bjarke Ingels Group l Approved

Now approved, a 52-storey 150,000 m² tower with 37 storeys of office space, three storeys of retail/service commercial uses, a live performance and presentation venue (2,000 capacity). Green walls cover the lower levels facing south, while the top of the tower is terraced, providing planted outdoor amenities and a green roof.

New images from Adamson & Associates:

Skyline aerial.

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The crown tops out @ 298m but that tree = supertall

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At grade along Front Street.

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dleung · #**18605** Posted **Jul 28, 2022, 5:43 PM**

the solid green wall at the base seems a rather impractical forfeiting of window space. Wouldn't it make more sense to just have a recessed space with trees and a mirrored soffit reflecting the greenery...

WhipperSnapper · #**18606** Posted **Jul 28, 2022, 6:35 PM**

Pretty sure the space behind the green wall would be a telecom hotel in which vision glass is a liability.

GeneralLea · #**18607** Posted **Jul 28, 2022, 6:53 PM**

Union Centre still looks good, and I am glad to see the programming has been fleshed out to include more benefits for downtown (venue space), along with more substantial retail space.

Combined with Union Park, this area of the city by the CN tower and Union will finally feel more closed in, not the having more open sky is a bad thing necessarily. I'm still not so sure about the architectural flair of the office towers and whether or not it'll be resigned later into soemthign more boxy, but that's something we'll see about later.

I really dislike that Wynford Drive proposal, partly because it'll set a precedent in the area which can lead to the loss of other architecturally significant buildings nearby. The massing is lazy, and the whole thing looks like 3 buildings in one design.

Maldive · #**18608** Posted **Jul 28, 2022, 7:40 PM**

^ as I've noted, the design architects are Moriyama and Teshima. Given Raymond Moriyama co-founded the firm (and designed the JCCC)... this is most thinly-veiled "permission" strategy from Originate in recent memory.

Can't believe M & T agreed to do it though ($$?).

GeneralLea · #**18609** Posted **Jul 28, 2022, 7:43 PM**

Apologies, I failed to notice the AoR. I'm unfamiliar with Originate, but I'm glad this isn't being pursued by someone like Tridel, whose current local project is quite a sight in this area.

I wonder how ground floor programming and landscaping would work in conjunction with the MCCC next to a complex with 1,500+ people.

WhipperSnapper · #**18610** Posted **Jul 28, 2022, 7:46 PM**

I don't like any of them. There's justification to infill St Dennis and Grenoble building sites but 2195 more units on top of the existing 562 and does nothing to urbanize the existing built form with new uses and public amenities and squeezes those 2195 more units in 4 to 600 unit skyscrapers wherever a tower fits on the site. What a horrid environment.

Nouvellecosse · #**18611** Posted **Jul 28, 2022, 8:01 PM**

Some interesting projects in that last big batch. The only one I really don't care for is the Roehampton which is just kind of cluttered and bland.

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In context on the right (with future proposals ghosted in).

This image kind of stood out to me in that it depicts the Ontario Line extending further north beyond Eglinton up Don Mills Rd. I wonder if it's just wishful thinking on their behalf or if they have some kind of inside knowledge.

GeneralLea · #**18612** Posted **Jul 28, 2022, 8:05 PM**

While I agree that intensifying sites near to transit hubs is necessary, I agree that too much density without enough programming for the community is a serious issue in the city. If the city allows that much more density in Flemingon Park, we may have another high-density apartment neighbourhood without the daycare spots, school space, park space and opportunites it needs to be successful. Much like Thorncliffe Park.

Cramming a sight with high density towers next to existing towers may look good for the government pushing for high densities 500 metres from subway stations/LRT stations, but that doesn't mean it's good planning nor beneficial to residents. There needs to be balance made between the influx of new residents and proper investment in new schools/community based infrastructure to accomaodate them.

I like the Celestica redvelopment for it's range of housing options (even if it's a bit lackling with the build out of townhomes for much of the interior property, but it's a decent model for planning an area with different densities and planning uses, even with it's flaws.

Coldrsx · #**18613** Posted **Jul 28, 2022, 9:18 PM**

ICE District 'Urban Village' aka Phase 2 - north of Rogers Place.

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WhipperSnapper · #**18614** Posted **Jul 28, 2022, 9:23 PM**

Celestica comes with two office buildings. One can probably consider them a replacement for the space that was bulldozed however, replacement employment space isn't guaranteed with redevelopment.

You see this difference between Cityplace that went through planning during the 1990s doldrums and now when there is just not enough time and a provincial government pushing stats.

TorontoDrew · #**18615** Posted **Jul 29, 2022, 1:59 AM**

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I really dislike that Wynford Drive proposal, partly because it'll set a precedent in the area which can lead to the loss of other architecturally significant buildings nearby. The massing is lazy, and the whole thing looks like 3 buildings in one design.

I'm curious what you think is architecturaly significant on the east side of the DVP? All of the buildings in that area that hold any value for their architectural importance are found on the west side as far as I know. It's too bad we lost the Bata building. I'm still upset about that loss.

Nite · #**18616** Posted **Jul 29, 2022, 4:53 AM**

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Originally Posted by Nouvellecosse

Some interesting projects in that last big batch. The only one I really don't care for is the Roehampton which is just kind of cluttered and bland.

This image kind of stood out to me in that it depicts the Ontario Line extending further north beyond Eglinton up Don Mills Rd. I wonder if it's just wishful thinking on their behalf or if they have some kind of inside knowledge.

as a relief line it really makes sense to extend it to the sheppard subway. it would continue to be elevated and so be relative in-expensive.

WhipperSnapper · #**18617** Posted **Jul 29, 2022, 2:25 PM**

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Originally Posted by TorontoDrew

I'm curious what you think is architecturaly significant on the east side of the DVP? All of the buildings in that area that hold any value for their architectural importance are found on the west side as far as I know. It's too bad we lost the Bata building. I'm still upset about that loss.

The mentioned former Japanese Canadian Cultural Centre is significant enough to have its facade form the base for one of these towers.

WhipperSnapper · #**18618** Posted **Jul 29, 2022, 2:30 PM**

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as a relief line it really makes sense to extend it to the sheppard subway. it would continue to be elevated and so be relative in-expensive.

There has been plans for as long as I remember to build lrt/subway/streetcar on Don Mills. It makes more than just sense. It'll be absolutely necessary in tandem with a line on Bathurst or Dufferin. Inexpensive would be a surface line.

J.OT13 · #**18619** Posted **Jul 29, 2022, 3:04 PM**

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Originally Posted by Coldrsx

ICE District 'Urban Village' aka Phase 2 - north of Rogers Place.

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4.28 - Bylaw 20163 - Amendment to the Central McDougall/Queen Mary Park Area Redevelopment Plan

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https://pub-edmonton.escribemeetings.com/filestream.ashx?DocumentId=155155

Admin report
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Holly crap, 10 towers of 90 meters. Are they trying to replicate a couple blocks of downtown Ottawa?

GeneralLea · #**18620** Posted **Jul 29, 2022, 4:39 PM**

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I'm curious what you think is architecturaly significant on the east side of the DVP? All of the buildings in that area that hold any value for their architectural importance are found on the west side as far as I know. It's too bad we lost the Bata building. I'm still upset about that loss.

I wasn't clear. I mean the west side of the DVP. I don't see anything notable really on the east side, although I'm also not familiar with the area once you're past the DVP and before the eastern section of the Don Valley.