Vancouver Civic Election 2022 - Page 20

Changing City · #**381** Posted **Jul 28, 2022, 6:55 PM**

From (CBC) Justin McElroy's twitter feed...

Vancouver park board news: Ken Sim's ABC Party has reversed its position on eliminating the park board.

The party has announced six candidates that will campaign on improving infrastructure, keeping but improving the Stanley Park bike lane & expanding places for park drinking.

whatnext · #**382** Posted **Jul 28, 2022, 7:10 PM**

Not even elected and already flippflopping. Not a good look.

chowhou · #**383** Posted **Jul 28, 2022, 8:25 PM**

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Vancouver park board news: Ken Sim's ABC Party has reversed its position on eliminating the park board.

Nice to see them dropping some of the populism. Not a CoV voter so I don't have a horse in this race, but I've noticed a lot of people that self identify as "progressive" or "urbanists" that think ABC and Ken Sim are demons incarnate. Can anyone explain why? Their platform seems like a cookie cutter urbanist party platform, approve more housing, invest in transit infrastructure, invest in public spaces, provide addiction and homelessness support.

Am I missing something? Sure they have NPA heritage, but they explicitly split off from the party due to political disagreements.

WarrenC12 · #**384** Posted **Jul 28, 2022, 8:45 PM**

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Nice to see them dropping some of the populism. Not a CoV voter so I don't have a horse in this race, but I've noticed a lot of people that self identify as "progressive" or "urbanists" that think ABC and Ken Sim are demons incarnate. Can anyone explain why? Their platform seems like a cookie cutter urbanist party platform, approve more housing, invest in transit infrastructure, invest in public spaces, provide addiction and homelessness support.

Am I missing something? Sure they have NPA heritage, but they explicitly split off from the party due to political disagreements.

Progressives are hardcore OneCity stans. Anything that stands in the way of that is thrown into the right wing zone.

I thought Sim was pretty good and had some decent ideas. Abolishing the PB was one of them.

It's a weird change, since the PB as usual stumbles from one eyerolling news article to another. And now, how are they differentiating themselves exactly?

Migrant_Coconut · #**385** Posted **Jul 28, 2022, 8:47 PM**

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Nice to see them dropping some of the populism. Not a CoV voter so I don't have a horse in this race, but I've noticed a lot of people that self identify as "progressive" or "urbanists" that think ABC and Ken Sim are demons incarnate. Can anyone explain why? Their platform seems like a cookie cutter urbanist party platform, approve more housing, invest in transit infrastructure, invest in public spaces, provide addiction and homelessness support.

Am I missing something? Sure they have NPA heritage, but they explicitly split off from the party due to political disagreements.

For one, Ken Sim keeps repeating that he wants to see "more consultation" for local residents (we all know what that's code for), and his "housing plan" is to split basement suites in half.

chowhou · #**386** Posted **Jul 28, 2022, 9:13 PM**

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For one, Ken Sim keeps repeating that he wants to see "more consultation" for local residents (we all know what that's code for), and his "housing plan" is to split basement suites in half.

While that might be true, the ex-NPA councillors are all generally pro-housing with Dominato being gung-ho and Bligh being a bit more on the fence. Unless Sim has whipped them into falling in line, I think it's safe to say that they're roughly the direction the new party will go.

Migrant_Coconut · #**387** Posted **Jul 28, 2022, 9:20 PM**

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While that might be true, the ex-NPA councillors are all generally pro-housing with Dominato being gung-ho and Bligh being a bit more on the fence. Unless Sim has whipped them into falling in line, I think it's safe to say that they're roughly the direction the new party will go.

Which is why I'll probably be voting for ABC's incumbent councillors, but not their leader. Guess a few people aren't informed enough to figure out the difference... that, or some of their other council candidates are nucking futs.

WarrenC12 · #**388** Posted **Jul 28, 2022, 9:42 PM**

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Which is why I'll probably be voting for ABC's incumbent councillors, but not their leader. Guess a few people aren't informed enough to figure out the difference... that, or some of their other council candidates are nucking futs.

Interesting, I think Sim himself might be a breath of fresh air, even in a progressive dominated council.

Migrant_Coconut · #**389** Posted **Jul 28, 2022, 9:46 PM**

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Interesting, I think Sim himself might be a breath of fresh air, even in a progressive dominated council.

Personally, I think Council'd be fine if we can just kick out DeGenova and Swanson (Hardwick's never going to be mayor, and fairly sure the Greens are untouchable) for somebody more reasonable.

whatnext · #**390** Posted **Jul 28, 2022, 9:48 PM**

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Progressives are hardcore OneCity stans. Anything that stands in the way of that is thrown into the right wing zone.

I thought Sim was pretty good and had some decent ideas. Abolishing the PB was one of them.

It's a weird change, since the PB as usual stumbles from one eyerolling news article to another. And now, how are they differentiating themselves exactly?

Hopefully the revived corpse of Vision Vancouver will split enough votes to stop the woke morons at OneCity from even getting one seat.

chowhou · #**391** Posted **Jul 28, 2022, 9:52 PM**

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Personally, I think Council'd be fine if we can just kick out DeGenova and Swanson (Hardwick's never going to be mayor, and fairly sure the Greens are untouchable) for somebody more reasonable.

I could even live with De Genova sticking around as long as Swanson got the boot. We are truly blessed that Hardwick ended up being so delusional she helped us out by throwing away her council seat.

Migrant_Coconut · #**392** Posted **Jul 28, 2022, 10:08 PM**

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I could even live with De Genova sticking around as long as Swanson got the boot. We are truly blessed that Hardwick ended up being so delusional she helped us out by throwing away her council seat.

Hopefully, she's so high off her own supply that she tries for the mayor seat again in 2026.

WarrenC12 · #**393** Posted **Jul 28, 2022, 10:12 PM**

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Hopefully the revived corpse of Vision Vancouver will split enough votes to stop the woke morons at OneCity from even getting one seat.

OneCity is pretty popular, and aligned closely with Stewart. I think he'll get back in and OneCity will have 2-3 seats. You won't be pleased.

WarrenC12 · #**394** Posted **Jul 28, 2022, 10:12 PM**

Swanson is a lock, sad to say. Hardwick will be gone.

chowhou · #**395** Posted **Jul 28, 2022, 10:12 PM**

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OneCity is pretty popular, and aligned closely with Stewart. I think he'll get back in and OneCity will have 2-3 seats. You won't be pleased.

Based on opinion polls I've seen, it's definitely Stewart's race to lose. Not sure if OneCity has that sort of momentum though.

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Swanson is a lock, sad to say. Hardwick will be gone.

Maybe. I'm not sure if people see her more as "advocates for the homeless and supportive housing" Swanson or "advocates for homelessness and supports no housing" Swanson nowadays.

GenWhy? · #**396** Posted **Jul 28, 2022, 10:22 PM**

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Hopefully the revived corpse of Vision Vancouver will split enough votes to stop the woke morons at OneCity from even getting one seat.

What makes OneCity woke? Honestly curious. As a developer of rental housing they seem quite profitable.

WarrenC12 · #**397** Posted **Jul 28, 2022, 10:28 PM**

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Maybe. I'm not sure if people see her more as "advocates for the homeless and supportive housing" Swanson or "advocates for homelessness and supports no housing" Swanson nowadays.

She has a diehard base. It doesn't take too many votes to get on council.

She has turned a lot of people off though, so I suppose it's possible she doesn't make it.

Migrant_Coconut · #**398** Posted **Jul 28, 2022, 10:28 PM**

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What makes OneCity woke? Honestly curious. As a developer of rental housing they seem quite profitable.

The Broadway bike lane pitch? I usually agree with them, but once in a while they're almost COPE-like.

GenWhy? · #**399** Posted **Jul 28, 2022, 10:32 PM**

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The Broadway bike lane pitch? I usually agree with them, but once in a while they're almost COPE-like.

I guess that's a type of "woke". Still figuring out what people mean by the term. Always genuinely curious.

chowhou · #**400** Posted **Jul 28, 2022, 10:33 PM**

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She has a diehard base. It doesn't take too many votes to get on council.

This is true, I forgot that we use a block voting system. I was thinking FPTP style, "voting for person A is implicitly pushing back against person B", but that isn't as much the case with block voting. I imagine a lot of people would rather put Swanson than an NPAer, TEAM, or Progress candidate.