Public Disorder & the Decline of Vancouver's Livability

[FarmerHaight]

Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

I see a Woman walking down the street constantly judging the people around her being left alone until she starts swearing at people and beiing C*nt.

Sorry am I supposed to feel sorry for this rude woman?

I have no sympathy for anyone pushing a dog in a stroller.

For the record, my wife's massage therapist works on the border of Gastown and Chinatown. Whenever she has gone with our baby in a stroller, everyone on the sidewalk yells "baby on the block", move over to the side, and let her pass.

Originally Posted by scryer

Looks like this meme applies directly to you when you deny all of the mainstream incidents being published on the daily on this thread at this point:

Sure, this meme attempts to dunk on people like me, but I do live downtown and I do walk everyday and I've never been harassed or confronted. I have seen some people yell at someone who looked at them the "wrong" way, but those confrontations have never turned violent.

I don't know what percentage chance there is that I'll be attacked by a random stranger for no good reason on a given day. Even if there are two totally random violent attacks each day in Vancouver that's still a 0.0003% chance (2 / 600k) that I'll be the next victim. Maybe that's a high enough probability for some people to advocate for mass incarceration, or to avoid going downtown, but it isn't for me.

I don't think anyone is denying that their is a mental health crisis and something should be done about it, but everyone on this forum has a different tolerance for danger, and we all have a different threshold that must be surpassed before the fearmongering becomes rational outrage.

[whatnext]

Seriously, WTF is this!? (watch the video) Failed to appear in court, what a surprise. No doubt Shakwan will get a reduced sentence or no sentence at all.

Kristen Robinson
@KRobNews1
· 13m
.@VancouverPD seeking witnesses and suspect after mother and toddler struck and knocked to ground on July 9 in #ChinatownYVR Shakwan David Kelly arrested/charged with assault then released from custody. Kelly allegedly failed to appear for court July 12 and is now wanted BC wide

https://twitter.com/KRobNews1/status/1549814711499104256

[jollyburger]

How is that kid not dead?

And why wasn't this announced back on July 9th?

[theKB]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Seriously, WTF is this!? (watch the video) Failed to appear in court, what a surprise. No doubt Shakwan will get a reduced sentence or no sentence at all.

Kristen Robinson
@KRobNews1
· 13m
.@VancouverPD seeking witnesses and suspect after mother and toddler struck and knocked to ground on July 9 in #ChinatownYVR Shakwan David Kelly arrested/charged with assault then released from custody. Kelly allegedly failed to appear for court July 12 and is now wanted BC wide

https://twitter.com/KRobNews1/status/1549814711499104256

These released on a promise to appear are decisions that could be acted upon by our attorney general (and future premier).

A statistic of those who don't come back to their court dates would be helpful especially where it is related to assault or any other serious crime.

Also what ever happened to the list of people who have long lists of interactions with law enforcement (similar to what seattle did). They need special attention and frankly the catch and release justice system needs to end and Eby can do that if he wanted to.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by Bcasey25raptor

I see a Woman walking down the street constantly judging the people around her being left alone until she starts swearing at people and beiing C*nt.

Sorry am I supposed to feel sorry for this rude woman?

You would be judgmental too if you have a circus parked in front of your home 24/7. If you do and can still remain calm, then you are more than human.

Also, the video clearly showed that she wasn't rude when she wanted those camped outside with garbage strewn all around to make a path for her to get back to her apartment building lobby. That man who was blocking her started swearing and she lost it.

BTW, she can't walk: she's wheelchair-bound.

Are you sure you watched the video?

[Vin]

Originally Posted by FarmerHaight

I have no sympathy for anyone pushing a dog in a stroller.

For the record, my wife's massage therapist works on the border of Gastown and Chinatown. Whenever she has gone with our baby in a stroller, everyone on the sidewalk yells "baby on the block", move over to the side, and let her pass.



Sure, this meme attempts to dunk on people like me, but I do live downtown and I do walk everyday and I've never been harassed or confronted. I have seen some people yell at someone who looked at them the "wrong" way, but those confrontations have never turned violent.

I don't know what percentage chance there is that I'll be attacked by a random stranger for no good reason on a given day. Even if there are two totally random violent attacks each day in Vancouver that's still a 0.0003% chance (2 / 600k) that I'll be the next victim. Maybe that's a high enough probability for some people to advocate for mass incarceration, or to avoid going downtown, but it isn't for me.

I don't think anyone is denying that their is a mental health crisis and something should be done about it, but everyone on this forum has a different tolerance for danger, and we all have a different threshold that must be surpassed before the fearmongering becomes rational outrage.

Please ask your wife to be careful over there, especially when she has the baby with her.

Referencing this:

Originally Posted by whatnext

Seriously, WTF is this!? (watch the video) Failed to appear in court, what a surprise. No doubt Shakwan will get a reduced sentence or no sentence at all.

Kristen Robinson
@KRobNews1
· 13m
.@VancouverPD seeking witnesses and suspect after mother and toddler struck and knocked to ground on July 9 in #ChinatownYVR Shakwan David Kelly arrested/charged with assault then released from custody. Kelly allegedly failed to appear for court July 12 and is now wanted BC wide

https://twitter.com/KRobNews1/status/1549814711499104256

Extreme psychosis and subsequent derangement caused by poison-laden fentanyl and other drugs are getting pretty common nowadays. You just don't know what drug-abusers will do to you. Officedweller is right about being cautious when walking around downtown. Bad things may not happen all the time, but with the great rise in the frequency of occurrence, the chances of one becoming a victim of crime is also higher. I see those who keep discounting the rise of crime in the city centre as being irresponsible, just like the outgoing mayor Kennedy Stewart.

Perhaps this mom used to think it was perfectly safe to be out and about with her baby as well:

Mom, toddler hurt after being "knocked to the ground" in Chinatown assault
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/mom-toddler-chinatown-vancouver-assault

[FarmerHaight]

Originally Posted by Vin

Please ask your wife to be careful over there, especially when she has the baby with her.

My wife is comfortable going almost anywhere. She has done some outreach work on Skid Row and she testifies that Vancouver isn't anywhere near that bad.

We take the appropriate precautions, meaning we don't stare at people or mouth off to strangers. Other than that, we feel comfortable walking through most neighborhoods at almost any time of day.

[Vin]

Back in New West:

Several people pepper sprayed in Metro Vancouver wig theft
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/pepper-spraying-wig-theft

More yahoos disrupting the peace in downtown Vancouver:

Axe-wielding man gets in fight outside Vancouver grocery store (VIDEO)
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/man-axe-vancouver-grocery-store-video

[jollyburger]

Originally Posted by mcminsen

From the Vancouver Sun...
"On Tuesday, police announced charges against Lindsay Scott, 34.
She was arrested without incident near Main and Hastings streets in the Downtown Eastside on Sunday night and remains in custody."

I meant the time between the stabbing and the charges being laid.

[theKB]

Originally Posted by Vin

Extreme psychosis and subsequent derangement caused by poison-laden fentanyl and other drugs are getting pretty common nowadays. You just don't know what drug-abusers will do to you. Officedweller is right about being cautious when walking around downtown. Bad things may not happen all the time, but with the great rise in the frequency of occurrence, the chances of one becoming a victim of crime is also higher. I see those who keep discounting the rise of crime in the city centre as being irresponsible, just like the outgoing mayor Kennedy Stewart.

The way you specifically described it here reminded me of the way "the league of shadows" was attempting to destroy Gotham city with the drug that was a panic inducing toxin. (Batman Begins)

Pretty sad state of affairs.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by theKB

The way you specifically described it here reminded me of the way "the league of shadows" was attempting to destroy Gotham city with the drug that was a panic inducing toxin. (Batman Begins)

Pretty sad state of affairs.

China learned well from the opium trade.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by theKB

The way you specifically described it here reminded me of the way "the league of shadows" was attempting to destroy Gotham city with the drug that was a panic inducing toxin. (Batman Begins)

Pretty sad state of affairs.

Sometimes popular fiction does reflect reality:

139 charges laid in $300M fentanyl 'superlab' bust outside Calgary
https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/139-charges-l...-superlab-bust-outside-calgary-1.5968170

The accused are:

Jesse Deranger, 28-year-old man from Edmonton;
Juan Galan, 55-year-old man from Okotoks;
Gregory Hebb, 45-year-old man from Okotoks;
Dakota Hogg, 27-year-old man from Edmonton;
Christopher Loyie, 33-year-old man from Edmonton;
Jonathon Loyie, 35-year-old man from Edmonton;
Chad Loyie, 33-year-old man from Edmonton;
Sierra Meuller, 19-year-old woman from Edmonton;
Ryan Simpson, 41-year-old man from Okotoks; and
Graham Thomas, 32-year-old man from Edmonton.

Opioid Manufacturer Purdue Pharma Pleads Guilty to Fraud and Kickback Conspiracies
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/opioid-ma...s-guilty-fraud-and-kickback-conspiracies

China and synthetic drugs control: Fentanyl, methamphetamines, and precursors
https://www.brookings.edu/research/china...entanyl-methamphetamines-and-precursors/

There are definitely a lot of people making money out of the pain and suffering of others.

[Vin]

Another Vancouver bus attack by a total stranger on Main Street:

Woman appears to be punched on the bus in another Vancouver stranger attack (VIDEO)
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/woman-punched-bus-attack-video

Not sure about this case, but I see way too many drivers let folks board the buses without paying, including criminals like this attacker.

A description of the suspect suggests he was a black male between 30 to 50-years-old, around 6’0″ tall with a slim build and short black hair. During the attack he was wearing a light brown pullover, dark coloured pants, and black runners.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by FarmerHaight

My wife is comfortable going almost anywhere. She has done some outreach work on Skid Row and she testifies that Vancouver isn't anywhere near that bad.

We take the appropriate precautions, meaning we don't stare at people or mouth off to strangers. Other than that, we feel comfortable walking through most neighborhoods at almost any time of day.

Like I said before, it only takes that one time. Better to be safe than sorry.

[whatnext]

Originally Posted by Vin

Another Vancouver bus attack by a total stranger on Main Street:

Not sure about this case, but I see way too many drivers let folks board the buses without paying, including criminals by this attacker.

Sort of looks like the black guy who assaulted woman & toddler in Chinatown (from the back). Just lock up the crazies already.

[Vin]

Originally Posted by whatnext

Sort of looks like the black guy who assaulted woman & toddler in Chinatown (from the back). Just lock up the crazies already.

Hope not! This catch-and-release model is detrimental to society.

[Vin]

Again back to the very safe DTES:

Vulnerable senior hit with bear spray while walking on East Hastings (PHOTOS)
https://www.facebook.com/148192078555388...jErxK8YcYawTNap6pdHTovqjbrJ3Pi5UDZjj2El/

Nothing but fun and games.

[Acajack]

Originally Posted by FarmerHaight

I have no sympathy for anyone pushing a dog in a stroller.

For the record, my wife's massage therapist works on the border of Gastown and Chinatown. Whenever she has gone with our baby in a stroller, everyone on the sidewalk yells "baby on the block", move over to the side, and let her pass.



Sure, this meme attempts to dunk on people like me, but I do live downtown and I do walk everyday and I've never been harassed or confronted. I have seen some people yell at someone who looked at them the "wrong" way, but those confrontations have never turned violent.

I don't know what percentage chance there is that I'll be attacked by a random stranger for no good reason on a given day. Even if there are two totally random violent attacks each day in Vancouver that's still a 0.0003% chance (2 / 600k) that I'll be the next victim. Maybe that's a high enough probability for some people to advocate for mass incarceration, or to avoid going downtown, but it isn't for me.

I don't think anyone is denying that their is a mental health crisis and something should be done about it, but everyone on this forum has a different tolerance for danger, and we all have a different threshold that must be surpassed before the fearmongering becomes rational outrage.

Ideally you'd want to be as close to zero as possible. That should be your objective. Plenty of cities in the world - including many much larger than Vancouver - are basically at zero violent stranger attacks per day. They are a totally freak occurrence there.

Saying that two per day is no big deal is basically opening the door to 3 per day, 4 per day, and so on... down the road.

The objective needs to be zero.

[Migrant_Coconut]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Ideally you'd want to be as close to zero as possible. That should be your objective. Plenty of cities in the world - including many much larger than Vancouver - are basically at zero violent stranger attacks per day. They are a totally freak occurrence there.

Saying that two per day is no big deal is basically opening the door to 3 per day, 4 per day, and so on... down the road.

The objective needs to be zero.

You say that, and yet if even Tokyo, safest city on the planet, has random nutjobs on the subway (not to be confused for the terrorist driver back in 2019 or Abe's assassin this year), that doesn't leave a lot of hope for the rest of us. Last time I was there, the stations didn't even have garbage or recycling bins because they were scared of bomb plots.

Sure, it's scary, but anybody who's saying that Vancouver's the only city where bad things happen really needs to get out more.

[chowhou]

Originally Posted by Acajack

Ideally you'd want to be as close to zero as possible. That should be your objective. Plenty of cities in the world - including many much larger than Vancouver - are basically at zero violent stranger attacks per day. They are a totally freak occurrence there.

Saying that two per day is no big deal is basically opening the door to 3 per day, 4 per day, and so on... down the road.

The objective needs to be zero.

People point to "other cities" like they have zero violent crime, but nowhere has absolutely zero violent crime.

People say Tokyo is extremely safe due to "the culture", well they have their attacks.

Singapore is almost a totalitarian police state, yet still random violent crime is on the rise.

Don't assume that rural Canada is immune to random acts of violence too, Portapique remains a national tragedy, those two teens from Northern BC are still talked about, and let's not forget about missing and murdered indigenous women.

The goal should absolutely be zero, but there will always be people prone to violence. It's fun to clutch pearls around the DTES, but how many people have actually died or been seriously harmed due to targeted random violence in recent memory? The Mexican tourist?

Personally, there's no location in the entirety of Vancouver where I wouldn't feel safe enough to venture. I'd be more worried around Canada geese than some bums on Hastings or Powell.