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Old Posted Jul 14, 2022, 3:32 PM
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So you think when the ramps are gone, the cars will magically disappear, as do the buses and delivery vehicles? Come on get a grip lol.
The cars will in fact disappear from those ramps, yes. They will use the other exits.

I don't see many buses on those loops, perhaps you can show me some.
     
     
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Old Posted Jul 14, 2022, 3:33 PM
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Those two hotels can only proceed when their developers submit a Development Application, and get it approved. So far neither have submitted. The rezoning for the larger hotel was approved in 2020, but with a different design. The smaller one was only approved as a rezoning yesterday.
Is one of those the Fairview Pub replacement? Literally nothing going on there since the pub closed.
     
     
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Is one of those the Fairview Pub replacement? Literally nothing going on there since the pub closed.
Yes, it's the Fairview, and also the Park Inn hotel next to it.
     
     
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The cars will in fact disappear from those ramps, yes. They will use the other exits.

I don't see many buses on those loops, perhaps you can show me some.

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LOL what? Dense areas should rely a lot less on cars. You're never going to cure traffic congestion downtown by adding lanes.
Buses still ply the major thoroughfares beside those ramps, which help to create smoother traffic flows for vehicles exiting or entering Granville Street. With the ramps gone, congestions and delays at the turning lanes will delay bus services.
     
     
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I don't think we've seen a finalized roadway design, have we?
     
     
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Again, the number of drivers using the loops is marginal to the point of nonexistence. The road network will handle their loss just fine.
     
     
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I don't think we've seen a finalized roadway design, have we?
Here's the road layout replacing the loops.
Because of the one-way streets (Howe and Seymour), what would have been alleys
will become one-way roads (going opposite to the Howe & Seymour travel directions)
replacing the loops.
There will actually be a bit more flexibility, since northbound bridge traffic can "loop" around the block
then head east on Pacific to avoid Seymour and downtown traffic.
There will just be delays in executing the loop due to the 3 right turns (with pedestrians/traffic lights).


https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouve...777-pacific-street-1390-granville-street
     
     
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Here's the road layout replacing the loops.
Because of the one-way streets (Howe and Seymour), what would have been alleys
will become one-way roads (going opposite to the Howe & Seymour travel directions)
replacing the loops.
There will actually be a bit more flexibility, since northbound bridge traffic can "loop" around the block
then head east on Pacific to avoid Seymour St. and downtown traffic.
There will just be delays in executing the loop due to the 2 right turns (with pedestrians/traffic lights).
You can see a 3D render of how it will look (from a drone, presumably) in the approved Loops replacement rezoning package. [here]
     
     
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Right, but that image has a disclaimer saying "conceptual layout" (2020). Just supposing that the bus lane / turning lane configuration isn't in stone yet.
     
     
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There will actually be a bit more flexibility, since northbound bridge traffic can "loop" around the block
then head east on Pacific to avoid Seymour and downtown traffic.
There will just be delays in executing the loop due to the 3 right turns (with pedestrians/traffic lights).
Being able to get on/off the bridge from both directions of Pacific is definitely lot more useful to drivers. And now pedestrians don't have to walk all the way to Seymour.
     
     
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Right, but that image has a disclaimer saying "conceptual layout" (2020). Just supposing that the bus lane / turning lane configuration isn't in stone yet.
The locations of the roads themselves won't likely change.

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Being able to get on/off the bridge from both directions of Pacific is definitely lot more useful to drivers. And now pedestrians don't have to walk all the way to Seymour.
Yeah, that's the main reason I don't use Granville Bridge, because I don't want to get stuck on Seymour followed by Nelson.
     
     
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From Lawrence Black twitter July 8th:

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I figured this was the best spot - 'This is just the beginning': First Nations' real estate megaprojects game-changing for Metro Vancouver

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Standing between a pair of gleaming apartment buildings, a condo tower, a park, a future grocery store, and massive holes in the ground that will soon provide a daycare, community centre and hundreds of additional homes, Musqueam Chief Wayne Sparrow said: “This is the future.”

After many years and steep legal bills, the Musqueam First Nation reached a landmark settlement with the B.C. government in 2008, for the return of some of its traditional territory. Now the Musqueam are using some of those lands near the University of B.C. to provide badly needed housing for the broader community and generate economic prosperity for their Nation.

Sparrow welcomed a group of elders to visit Leləm̓, the village their Nation has built in partnership with Polygon. The housing includes market and below-market rentals and leasehold stratas on 99-year leases.

That leasehold structure is crucial, emphasized Sparrow. It could have been more profitable in the short term, he said, to develop the land and sell condos outright. But that was never really a consideration.

“We’re never selling the land,” Sparrow said. “It took us 100-some-odd years to get it back. We ain’t gonna sell it after going to court to fight to get it back.”

The Leləm̓ community is just one of several major real estate developments in the pipeline from Vancouver-area First Nations, who have emerged as powerhouse developers in a region desperate for solutions to a housing shortage.

Postmedia analyzed eight major projects involving the Musqueam, Squamish and Tsleil-Waututh Nations, both individually and together under their MST Development Corporation joint venture. Their plans cover nearly 1.1 square kilometres of property in Vancouver, Burnaby and the North Shore, promising more than 25,500 homes.

That’s more than the total number of homes that exist today in the city of Port Coquitlam.

These megaprojects, which include social housing, market rentals, condos and townhouses, plus schools, retail, cultural amenities and commercial spaces, are in various stages. Residents started moving into Leləm̓ last year. Sen̓áḵw in Vancouver is scheduled to be done in five years. Others are a decade or more away from completion.

Like Leləm̓, all these major projects feature rental homes and leasehold stratas, meaning the First Nations retain ownership of the land underneath. The importance of this fact comes up repeatedly in conversations with local Indigenous leaders: the Nations will always own the land.

This is not new. For decades, the Musqueam Nation has generated revenue through rental and leasehold housing on their reserve on Vancouver’s southern edge. The Tsleil-Waututh Nation has built and sold more than 1,000 leasehold condos and townhomes on reserve land.

But the MST Nations’ real estate activity today is on a completely different scale than in the past, and observers say it is beyond what other Indigenous developers are doing elsewhere in Canada. Today, the joint venture’s portfolio of developable prime urban real estate, and the number of units in the pipeline, make it one of B.C.’s largest developers.

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For many of these megaprojects, the MST Nations have been partnering with some of B.C.’s largest developers: Polygon, Westbank, Aquilini.

A relatively small townhouse project planned in West Vancouver will be the first project MST Development handles on its own, and that is the eventual goal for all projects, Cook said. “In the future, development partners won’t be needed.”

Leaders from the Nations, including Sparrow and Thomas, say another part of the vision includes having more band members working on projects.

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The MST Nations’ real estate ventures have been applauded by local political leaders, and garnered positive international attention from the likes of The Economist and New York Times.

But not everyone is happy. Neighbours near some of the proposed developments have raised concerns about their size.

After concepts for MST’s plans at Jericho Lands were released earlier this year, including towers up to 38 storeys, a group of West Point Grey residents organized in opposition, hiring a well-known lobbyist and communications professional, and now city council candidate, Bill Tieleman, who told CTV News the fight against MST building tall towers at Jericho was part of “a battle for the soul of Vancouver.”

Last week, the Kits Point Residents Association issued a press release that said while they support the Squamish Nation’s ability to develop its own lands, they consider the high-density Sen̓áḵw proposal for Kits Point — of 11 towers of up to 57 storeys — “shockingly outside the boundaries” of existing city plans, resources and zoning.

This particular debate highlights the complexities of developing on reserve land, such as the 10-acre parcel near the south end of the Burrard Bridge where the Squamish Nation is planning Sen̓áḵw.

Half of the projects analyzed by Postmedia are MST joint ventures on “fee-simple” properties, which were acquired from the provincial and federal governments and must go through the same municipal rezoning processes as other major projects from private-sector and non-profit developers.

The Heather Lands, for example, received a rezoning approval in May from Vancouver council, the first MST joint venture to reach this stage, but still requires additional permits from city hall before construction can begin, which likely won’t be until 2024, almost a decade after planning began on the project.

In the other half of the projects, one of the Nations has individually partnered with a developer. If property is being developed is reserve land, as is the case with Sen̓ákw, municipal governments do not have the same authority. This has allowed the Squamish Nation to pursue far greater density for Sen̓ákw than the neighbouring area — and move far faster.

The Squamish Nation membership voted in 2019 with 87 per cent in favour of pursuing the project, with partner Westbank. Only three years later, they expect they could break ground on the project this year, a speed that would be unheard of for a 6,000-unit development going through city hall.

At a panel talk last month hosted by The Vancouver Sun, Bernd Christmas, CEO of the Squamish Nation’s economic development arm Nch’ḵay̓, said Sen̓ákw is not some kind of “Wild West” development. He insisted it is heavily regulated and rigorously planned, with environmental assessments, high architectural standards, and the rest.

“But we’ve just learned the secret of making it go quicker, by about five to 10 years,” Christmas told the panel, which included some of the biggest names in B.C.’s development industry. “If you have developments that are facing six-year, 10-year delays, come see us. Let’s move.”

The Tsleil-Waututh Nation has been trying for years to develop a large mixed-use community combining residential, commercial, educational, retail and community uses just off the Dollarton Highway, in partnership with Darwin Construction. But they faced “roadblocks” with the District of North Vancouver, “including three rejections of our rezoning application” in 2018 and 2019, the Tsleil-Waututh chief and council wrote last year in an op-ed in The North Shore News.

So, in 2019 the Tsleil-Waututh Nation decided to apply to the federal government to add the property to its reserve lands.

That “addition to reserve” application is under review by the federal government. If Ottawa approves it, that means the district council will lose any power to determine how the land is used or collect tax revenue on it.

The Kits Point Residents Association said this week that city leaders saying they “effectively have no jurisdiction” over Sen̓ákw is “an abdication” of their authority, arguing the municipality should have the power to negotiate plans for the site because it will rely on city services like water and sewer.

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A services agreement between the Squamish Nation and the city is nearly finalized, and the mayor predicted it will not generate many complaints from Vancouverites when it’s released publicly.

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Sen̓ákw has been described as groundbreaking — by both supporters and detractors — but it could be just the beginning. The Squamish Nation alone has dozens of parcels of reserve land, including along the North Shore, up the Howe Sound to Whistler, and on the Sunshine Coast. And that is just one First Nation.

Squamish First Nation Coun. Wilson Williams wouldn’t disclose details, but confirmed the Nation is discussing “a list of potential land developments.”

“We’re listening to our people and our ancestors who helped us get here,” Williams said. “There’s a lot of potential … but we want to do it the right way.

“We’re thinking seven generations down the road.”

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I'm surprised they aren't doing more around the Ambleside land that has been mentioned in the past for development.
     
     
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Maybe they're waiting for the SkyTrain? Almost all their projects (Lelem, Jericho, Heather) are adjacent to existing or imminent rapid transit.
     
     
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Maybe they're waiting for the SkyTrain? Almost all their projects (Lelem, Jericho, Heather) are adjacent to existing or imminent rapid transit.
Lelem @UBC is at phase 2 out of 4 total.
     
     
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I heard a recent analysis and I was wondering if anyone could confirm whether it's true.

Since developments like Senakw are on reserve land, that effectively makes them exempt from zoning and municipal bylaws.

Are they also exempt from provincial laws such as vacancy tax or rent control?
     
     
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Maybe they're waiting for the SkyTrain? Almost all their projects (Lelem, Jericho, Heather) are adjacent to existing or imminent rapid transit.
I think they were just planning for some townhouses like that Marine Drive project they have on the books.
     
     
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I heard a recent analysis and I was wondering if anyone could confirm whether it's true.

Since developments like Senakw are on reserve land, that effectively makes them exempt from zoning and municipal bylaws.

Are they also exempt from provincial laws such as vacancy tax or rent control?
Good question.

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Not everyone who owns a home in B.C. needs to worry about the speculation and vacancy tax. According to the provincial government, the tax "is a key measure in tackling the housing crisis in major urban centres in British Columbia."

The taxable regions include:
  • Municipalities within the Capital Regional District, except Salt Spring Island, Juan de Fuca Electoral Area, and the Southern Gulf Islands.
  • Nanaimo
  • Metro Vancouver municipalities, except Bowen Island and the Village of Lions Bay.
  • Abbotsford
  • Mission
  • Chilliwack
  • Kelowna
  • West Kelowna
  • District of Lantzville
​Within these areas, any reserve lands, treaty lands, or self-government First Nations are exempt.

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I heard a recent analysis and I was wondering if anyone could confirm whether it's true.

Since developments like Senakw are on reserve land, that effectively makes them exempt from zoning and municipal bylaws.

Are they also exempt from provincial laws such as vacancy tax or rent control?
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Good question.
From the Vancouver Sun a few years ago:

Tenants on First Nations land face complex legal landscape

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Reserve lands are held by the federal government, so provincial law generally does not apply, according to the provincial Indigenous Relations Ministry. Lands owned by a treaty First Nation are “subject to the provincial laws of general application,” but those nations may also have law-making powers and could opt to create their own tenancy laws, the ministry said.
     
     
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