Phoenix Area Low- and Mid-Rise Development Thread

[Jmodrak12]

crane up at st. joes hospital

https://imgur.com/5bZ7y0x

[Obadno]

Originally Posted by Jmodrak12

crane up at st. joes hospital
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I literally drove past here 2 hours ago and didn't even notice

[PHX31]

Originally Posted by Obadno

I literally drove past here 2 hours ago and didn't even notice

Can't miss it if you're driving on Thomas.

[jthacker48]

Originally Posted by pbenjamin

The committee has been receiving mail from the Carnation Neighborhood Association on the topic of this case. The neighbors contend that the developer promised to confer with them on the proposal prior to it being submitted to the city and then failed to do so.

If it is on the June agenda and we get a staff report prior to the meeting (not always the case) I will try and post it here.

The developer has added a website for the project.

https://www.centralandglenrosa.com/

[Obadno]

This is a lot better than I was expecting, Glad they are breaking this huge lot up.

[combusean]

Lots of above ground garages and only a token amount of retail but it's good enough for that lot. But a good amount of height still--better than your average 4 story Texas donut.

[BA744PHX]

Originally Posted by jthacker48

The developer has added a website for the project.

https://www.centralandglenrosa.com/

Not bad, another empty lot gone!

[TJPHXskyscraperfan]

Originally Posted by Obadno

This is a lot better than I was expecting, Glad they are breaking this huge lot up.

This is pretty much the vision I had for this lot,lol. Wow, 1600 units!!!!

[CrestedSaguaro]

Proposed 6 story multi-family (119 units) for the empty lot between Spaghetti Factory and Throne Brewing. After the local fight-against-height from the previous proposal, I can't say I'm surprised at the drastic height reduction. Hopefully, the neighborhood doesn't complain about this one.



View project details on my Google Drive: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1aqie6vZVKNcgtYTU4F8nVqm1RAlPBeSF?usp=sharing

[Code5]

Originally Posted by CrestedSaguaro

Proposed 6 story multi-family (119 units) for the empty lot between Spaghetti Factory and Throne Brewing. After the local fight-against-height from the previous proposal, I can't say I'm surprised at the drastic height reduction. Hopefully, the neighborhood doesn't complain about this one.

What did the previous proposal look like? Im just curious.

[CrestedSaguaro]

Originally Posted by Code5

What did the previous proposal look like? Im just curious.

None that I ever seen, just site markups.

The original proposal made an attempt to receive a height zoning increase from I believe is currently at 75' to 250' (which would bring the lot up to the same height as basically everywhere else along Central in the adjacent area).

But the NYMBY's...err, I mean locals fought it because the height increase because it would have created views from the tower of their backyards and impeded on their privacy. The developer then tried to make everyone happy and knocked the height increase height increase down to about 175'.

The tower would have been fronting Central and stepped down to about 6 stories against the Willow neighborhood. More backlash ensued and then eventually, the developer gave up. This 6 story proposal will still have views of their backyards, so we'll see how this pans out. I except more NYMBY'ism until it's a 2 story gated community with 4 car garages.

[CrestedSaguaro]

Originally Posted by Code5

What did the previous proposal look like? Im just curious.

None that I ever seen, just site markups.

The original proposal made an attempt to receive a height zoning increase from what I remember is currently at 75' to 250', which would bring the lot up to the same height as basically everywhere else along Central in the adjacent area.

But the NYMBY's...err, I mean locals fought it because the height increase would have created views from the tower of their backyards and impeded upon their privacy. The developer then tried to make everyone happy and knocked the height request down to about 175'.

The tower would have been fronting Central and stepped down to about 6 stories against the Willow neighborhood. More backlash ensued and then eventually, the developer gave up. This 6 story proposal will still have views of their backyards, so we'll see how this pans out. I except more NYMBY'ism until it's a 2 story gated community with 4 car garages.

[DesertRay]

Originally Posted by CrestedSaguaro

None that I ever seen, just site markups.

The original proposal made an attempt to receive a height zoning increase from what I remember is currently at 75' to 250', which would bring the lot up to the same height as basically everywhere else along Central in the adjacent area.

But the NYMBY's...err, I mean locals fought it because the height increase would have created views from the tower of their backyards and impeded upon their privacy. The developer then tried to make everyone happy and knocked the height request down to about 175'.

The tower would have been fronting Central and stepped down to about 6 stories against the Willow neighborhood. More backlash ensued and then eventually, the developer gave up. This 6 story proposal will still have views of their backyards, so we'll see how this pans out. I except more NYMBY'ism until it's a 2 story gated community with 4 car garages.

The folks who were concerned didn't seem as terrible as you are making them sound. This was originally supposed to be a "phase 2" of the Artisan Lofts on Central, which was supposed to have the bigger gym (and they would share the pool with that building). Some of the neighbors were concerned about views into their backyard, but that was only one person (I was at that meeting because I was curious). The rest of the folks were concerned about just raising the heights, the lack of much parking (which is what I would suspect will be the major complaint now, which I personally would disagree with because we gotta change the ocean of parking expectations), the weird building being proposed, and the suggestion to make the street go through, etc. made it only seem like it's changing zoning so that the developer can maximize profit, rather than zoning for a particular purpose. The committee seemed to agree with the neighbors, rather than the developer, which was the only time that happened that meeting. This proposal keeps it housing, has a reasonable relation to its neighbors, has a better parking ratio, and looks like it belongs, while still increasing the height a bit. I think this will end up going through if it hits city and financial marks.

[YourBuddy]

Isn’t there a proposed tower on the corner of Central and McDowell?

[CrestedSaguaro]

Originally Posted by YourBuddy

Isn’t there a proposed tower on the corner of Central and McDowell?

Yes, but that lot is already zoned for 250'.

Originally Posted by DesertRay

The folks who were concerned didn't seem as terrible as you are making them sound. This was originally supposed to be a "phase 2" of the Artisan Lofts on Central, which was supposed to have the bigger gym (and they would share the pool with that building). Some of the neighbors were concerned about views into their backyard, but that was only one person (I was at that meeting because I was curious). The rest of the folks were concerned about just raising the heights, the lack of much parking (which is what I would suspect will be the major complaint now, which I personally would disagree with because we gotta change the ocean of parking expectations), the weird building being proposed, and the suggestion to make the street go through, etc. made it only seem like it's changing zoning so that the developer can maximize profit, rather than zoning for a particular purpose. The committee seemed to agree with the neighbors, rather than the developer, which was the only time that happened that meeting. This proposal keeps it housing, has a reasonable relation to its neighbors, has a better parking ratio, and looks like it belongs, while still increasing the height a bit. I think this will end up going through if it hits city and financial marks.

I seem to remember more than this when it came to the opposition? It's been a while, so I don't remember clearly. I do remember it was proposed right around the time of the "Don't build the tower" opposition that was in full force for the Phoenix Country Club condo and I thought it had spilled over onto this proposal.

But I'm not sure why the neighbors would have been opposed to the lack of parking. Don't the residents know that more parking usually results in increased traffic? Being right next to a LRT station, this should have been the purpose of such a development and to market TOD with less parking and create more density. This may have fallen on the fault of the developer for not proposing it as such.

[DesertRay]

Originally Posted by CrestedSaguaro

Yes, but that lot is already zoned for 250'.



I seem to remember more than this when it came to the opposition? It's been a while, so I don't remember clearly. I do remember it was proposed right around the time of the "Don't build the tower" opposition that was in full force for the Phoenix Country Club condo and I thought it had spilled over onto this proposal.

But I'm not sure why the neighbors would have been opposed to the lack of parking. Don't the residents know that more parking usually results in increased traffic? Being right next to a LRT station, this should have been the purpose of such a development and to market TOD with less parking and create more density. This may have fallen on the fault of the developer for not proposing it as such.

It's probably a mixture of a somewhat sloppy proposal, and a few cranks. An older lady protested a different proposal that night "because I won't be able to see that cross on the church in the distance." The committee was unimpressed with that lady but voted against changing the zoning on the proposal at this lot. The proposal at this lot seemed odd and thrown together, and just like it was an excuse to make spot changes to zoning so someone could sell the lot, and not to develop it. The committee wanted to see a realistic proposal before they approved any changes.

[combusean]

More info about Broadstone Van Buren:

https://azbex.com/planning-development/tower-plan-changed-to-apartments-near-downtown-phoenix/

336 units on 4.2 net acres. Not bad for a Broadstone project.

[Socalzonie]

Does anyone know what may be contemplated for this rather large lot just south of the Alta warehouse apartmemts?

https://apps-secure.phoenix.gov/PDD/Search/PlanReviews?PermitType=FACT&PermitNumber=2204409

[combusean]

Originally Posted by Socalzonie

Does anyone know what may be contemplated for this rather large lot just south of the Alta warehouse apartmemts?

https://apps-secure.phoenix.gov/PDD/Search/PlanReviews?PermitType=FACT&PermitNumber=2204409

It's on the west 5.4 acres, APS owns the other chunk.

I would think that it's going to be another surface-parked development like Alta, but I don't recall FACT permits ever issued for something like that.

[TJPHXskyscraperfan]

Anyone notice the crane up for the second phase of the Edison?