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Old Posted Jun 6, 2022, 11:59 PM
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I actually went out for a drive all around on the weekend and I must say the majority of the view is maintained.

That said, I do think the criticism about colour and form is legit because it is situated in the greenbelt along an important view corridor. I understand that a lot of people find the obsession of view corridors and "capital views" is overdone but I disagree. I think more cities should be held to higher standards and Ottawa is held to a standard I think most cities should be only because of it's role as the capital.

That said, this issue is way over blown!

Someone mentioned the Disney "Go Away Greens" which are found in hydro meters and other utility boxes across North America. Hopefully in the long run we could see it repainted and perhaps this should have been on the radar from the start.

https://www.apartmenttherapy.com/paint-tricks-use-disneys-go-away-green-219276



Our eyes are drawn to contrast and you could hardly choose a higher contrast then blinding white vs blue sky and green acres.


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Old Posted Jun 7, 2022, 9:26 PM
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Omg you guys, guess what the new train sheds in Montreal look like? for the REM line...


Absolutely disgusting! (Sarcasm)
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Old Posted Jun 9, 2022, 5:07 PM
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Information session Sherbourne to Moodie, with quite a few new renderings.

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if you want to skip the video and only check-out the slide deck, it's available on O-Train Fans:

https://www.railfans.ca/news/stage-2-lrt-west-extension-information-session-april-20-2022
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Is it just me or does progress seems to be slow? Other than Lincoln Fields, none of the others seem to have progressed much in the past 6+ months and none of the other stations even resemble stations yet.
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Is it just me or does progress seems to be slow? Other than Lincoln Fields, none of the others seem to have progressed much in the past 6+ months and none of the other stations even resemble stations yet.
I would guess that the focus on stations is in the East since that will need to be complete first. Lincoln Fields and Algonquin are some of the largest stations so that's probably why they've received more attention.

The focus in the West is the guideway. The tunnel still needs a lot work, for example.
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Is it just me or does progress seems to be slow? Other than Lincoln Fields, none of the others seem to have progressed much in the past 6+ months and none of the other stations even resemble stations yet.
There's a tremendous amount of rebar and concrete in the bottom of the stations, laced with conduit and plumbing. Watching them work, it takes quite a while to install all the rebar and conduit and do the forms, and then a day to pour concrete. They've been working away consistently, but once the concrete is done the stations then go vertical quickly like Algonquin and Lincoln Fields.

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Omg you guys, guess what the new train sheds in Montreal look like? for the REM line...


Absolutely disgusting! (Sarcasm)
Nooooooooooooooo!
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Old Posted Jun 10, 2022, 8:51 PM
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Some images from the presentation.

New renderings of New Orchard (first three) and Sherbourne (last two):











And the tunnel construction, they've started laying the actual running tunnel segments:

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Some images from the presentation.

New renderings of New Orchard (first three) and Sherbourne (last two):




Please don’t tell me they’re bringing back red as an architectural accent colour.
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Old Posted Jun 11, 2022, 2:43 AM
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Please don’t tell me they’re bringing back red as an architectural accent colour.
No, no. In the presentation, they said those would be black or grey.
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Please don’t tell me they’re bringing back red as an architectural accent colour.
Oh that would be triggering!
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Old Posted Jun 20, 2022, 9:03 PM
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City poised to increase Stage 2 budgets by $60M to cover utility work, boost contingency

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Jun 20, 2022 • 47 minutes ago • 3 minute read


The city needs to add a total of $60 million to the utility and contingency budgets of the Stage 2 O-Train project, with most of the contingency already spent and at least three years of construction left.

In a report submitted to council by transit general manager Renée Amilcar and chief financial officer Wendy Stephanson, staff say they have found “new budget requirements” for the $4.6-billion O-Train expansion.

Council set the contingency fund at $152.5 million for the Stage 2 project. According to the report, $132 million of the contingency has already been committed on several scope changes since the contracts were issued in 2019.

Necessary utility work for hydro, telecommunications, gas and waterworks is one reason for the extra spending.

The utility budget went from $68 million to $75 million and contingency funds covered the increase, but the city has identified additional work, such as utility relocations and asset protections, requiring another $35 million, the report says.

And, that might not be the end of the increases to the utility costs.

“Additional funding requirements will be assessed again in 2023,” the report says.

Because there’s plenty of time left in Stage 2 construction, with the western leg not scheduled to be done until 2025, and there could be more scope changes, the city wants to add an additional $25 million to the contingency fund.

The extra $60 million would be covered by debt paid by development charges, reserves attached to a related watermain project at Cleary Avenue and debt assigned to the transit department.

The report is silent when it comes to what the additional Stage 2 spending means for other city projects and the rest of the city budget.

The report says the contingency funds committed so far “reflect improvements to the project that were not contemplated when establishing the contingency fund.”

Spending from the contingency fund has happened across four categories, including one related to lessons learned from the Stage 1 project, which is the subject of an ongoing provincial inquiry.

Council approved the Stage 2 contracts in March 2019, but the 12.5-kilometre Stage 1 line didn’t start operations until September that year.

For example, the project team added gas-powered switch heaters after learning in Stage 1 that they’re better than electric switch heaters.

There were several other items added to the Stage 2 design after the contracts were signed in an effort to make the O-Train expansion better and meet new regulations.

In the east end, the team added noise walls along Highway 174 and more transportation connections between the LRT system and communities.

There were improvements to the Trillium Line’s Walkley Yard, updates to the radio system, upgrades to rail protections against snow and ice along Highway 417 and additions of onboard voice and video recorders on Trillium Line vehicles to satisfy new Transport Canada standards.

The Stage 2 project is made up of two rail expansion contracts. Construction of the Confederation Line LRT is by Kiewit and Vinci, and the Trillium Line is by SNC-Lavalin.

The Confederation Line has swallowed 62 per cent of the Stage 2 contingency, while the Trillium Line has eaten 29 per cent of the fund. Another nine per cent was attributed to utilities “and other matters,” the report says.

The council-approved contingency fund for Stage 1 is $115 million. The Stage 1 contingency was $100 million until last year when the city realized it needed $15 million more to pay for legal costs, mostly because of disputes with builder-maintainer, Rideau Transit Group.

The city’s finance and economic development committee will consider the Stage 2 budget request on June 28 before sending a recommendation to council.

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Old Posted Jun 21, 2022, 8:11 PM
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[B]City poised to increase Stage 2 budgets by $60M to cover utility work, boost contingency


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I recall the original debt load had a lot of ifs including interest rates staying below 4%. Pretty sure a lot of the other numbers won't work anymore.

I guess the hope is upper levels of government eventually bail us out but a post 2025 sea of blue might make that less likely. Expect some serious property tax increases.
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Old Posted Jun 22, 2022, 8:40 PM
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Some images from the presentation.

New renderings of New Orchard (first three) and Sherbourne (last two):











And the tunnel construction, they've started laying the actual running tunnel segments:

A few comments/corrections. These multi level park structures at Sherbourne and New Orchard are to cover mechanical rooms. What I identified as a tunnel segment is not so, but a machine to... I don't remember. It was in the video I posted June 9th.
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Old Posted Jun 28, 2022, 10:41 PM
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Stage 2 LRT construction closer to getting urgently needed funding
FEDCO meeting features jabs between mayor, councillor over P3s

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Posted: Jun 28, 2022 2:32 PM ET | Last Updated: 3 hours ago


In the shadow of an ongoing public inquiry into the first stage of Ottawa's light rail system, councillors on the city's powerful finance committee have approved an urgent $60-million cash infusion for the ongoing construction of Stage 2.

In the lead-up to Tuesday's meeting of the finance and economic development committee (FEDCO), city staff said the money is needed "immediately" for Stage 2 construction of the O-Train.

According to staff, $25 million of that amount has already been used to top up a contingency fund that's almost empty, long before any of the three rail extensions have opened.

The other $35 million is needed to move utilities after it was determined that an unexpected number of hydro and gas lines had to be relocated during construction, staff said.

At the start of Tuesday's meeting Ottawa Mayor Jim Watson checked if councillors were prepared to approve the extra funding without discussion, an offer Capital ward Coun. Shawn Menard declined.

Menard criticized the public-private partnership (P3) model used to build Ottawa's LRT system and other major projects including Lansdowne Park, and asked staff if there's a re-think happening at city hall.

"We've repeatedly seen the large P3 projects like that fail to protect the city's financial and operational interests," said Menard. "At what point will we stop recommending this large P3 model that is producing such risk for us?"

Ottawa Mayor Jim Watson interjected and told Menard "ultimately councillor, that will be a council decision, not a staff decision."

Their exchange escalated from there.

Menard: "I do hope we have more professional analysis coming to us, mayor, from our staff"

Watson: "I have confidence in our staff and I don't think denigrating them in public is a wise human resource policy."

Menard: "Nobody is denigrating staff mayor."

Watson: "You called their presentation 'unprofessional'."

Menard: "No. I'm asking for our professional staff, not you, to come back and talk to us about the risk issues about P3s."

Eventually the motion was carried unanimously and now heads to full council for approval on July 6.

The $60 million would mainly be funded through debt, said staff, noting that any extra funding needs for Stage 2 LRT will be reassessed in 2023.

The request for more funding comes as a public inquiry investigates the financial and technical dealings during Stage 1 of the LRT in great detail. The inquiry has heard during public hearings that the $2.1-billion price tag for the initial trunk and tunnel of the Confederation Line was only an early estimate, but politicians turned that began regarding it as the budget to which the project was held.

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/st...etting-urgently-needed-funding-1.6503982
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2022, 9:05 PM
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Noisy bridge forcing bus detours through Westboro
'Jarring' Bailey bridge part of Scott Street extension

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Posted: Jun 30, 2022 11:41 AM ET | Last Updated: 5 hours ago




A noisy bridge is forcing OC Transpo to abandon a Transitway detour in Westboro and instead funnel buses down Richmond Road.

The temporary Bailey bridge, located at the north end of Roosevelt Avenue on the Scott Street extension, was meant to carry bus traffic from Westboro to Dominion stations during Stage 2 LRT construction. It opened Sunday morning.

In a blog post Thursday, Coun. Jeff Leiper said he was on the first bus to cross that bridge and immediately noticed "significant noise ... particularly when [buses] pass over the lip separating the bridge's span from the roadway."

Leiper said on Monday morning, both he and residents reached out to the LRT team "to alert them to the very jarring noise being produced," and said his office has remained "in frequent contact" over the past several days.

"The neighbourhood cannot be asked to tolerate this for the several years construction will take, and I fully support the decision to implement the detour away from the bridge," he said.

The decision to reroute the buses was made Wednesday evening, Leiper said.

It's not known how long the detour will remain in place, nor what solutions are available, Leiper said.

"It will likely be several days before I can begin communicating answers. In the meantime, however, adjacent neighbours will be able to sleep."

For now, westbound buses will turn from Scott onto Churchill Avenue, then onto Richmond. Eastbound buses will do the opposite.

"We'll only know what the effect of adding buses back into the mix will have," Leiper said. "Based on my observations Wednesday afternoon, PM peak traffic is moving well now, and I hope the effect of adding buses staggered by the Churchill light won't have too great an impact, but time will tell.

Because the detour will bypass Dominion station, Leiper has asked OC Transpo to maintain some service at Richmond and Roosevelt.

Leiper warned that diverting buses "isn't going to be sustainable for the duration of LRT construction," and said it's "critical" that the bridge problem be addressed as quickly as possible.


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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/ottawa-bridge-noise-detours-1.6506881
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Does anyone know or have a guess to what amount of time does that add to westbound and eastbound routes to take the detour around the bridge?
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Noisy bridge forcing bus detours through Westboro
'Jarring' Bailey bridge part of Scott Street extension

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A noisy bridge is forcing OC Transpo to abandon a Transitway detour in Westboro and instead funnel buses down Richmond Road.
I was half-tempted to brush this off as the typical construction-adjacent neighbourhood association complaint... and then I heard it.

Big yikes.
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I was half-tempted to brush this off as the typical construction-adjacent neighbourhood association complaint... and then I heard it.

Big yikes.
Late last night, I travelled it for the first time and my bus slowed to <20km/h to cross it. Barely heard anything. I had a particularly lead-footed driver (a separate problem that needs addressing) so I would imagine operators are being instructed to slow down as a temporary(?) solution.
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