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Old Posted Jun 30, 2022, 8:54 AM
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This is not related to Saint John project developments, but I want to congratulate the Saint John Sea Dogs on winning their 2nd all-time Memorial Cup last night at TD Station.

I think it now cements Saint John as the undisputed hockey capital of Atlantic Canada.

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Old Posted Jun 30, 2022, 5:46 PM
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This is not related to Saint John project developments, but I want to congratulate the Saint John Sea Dogs on winning their 2nd all-time Memorial Cup last night at TD Station.

I think it now cements Saint John as the undisputed hockey capital of Atlantic Canada.

=)
Yes just adding to the existing excitement / interest in Saint John. Didn’t see article but Globe and Mail did a piece on the city during memorial cup: “… host city Saint John is already a winner”.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2022, 5:48 PM
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I see Dennys restaurants are looking to expand into Maritime cities. Am I only one on here that actually hopes they bypass Saint John? We have a decent home grown breakfast / restaurant scene and I’m happy when these types of places go elsewhere
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2022, 6:53 PM
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I see Dennys restaurants are looking to expand into Maritime cities. Am I only one on here that actually hopes they bypass Saint John? We have a decent home grown breakfast / restaurant scene and I’m happy when these types of places go elsewhere
If it's open 24/7 absolutely bring it on. For me, the only time to go to Dennys is between the hours of 10:30pm and 4am.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2022, 7:16 PM
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If it's open 24/7 absolutely bring it on. For me, the only time to go to Dennys is between the hours of 10:30pm and 4am.
Yeah, East Point at 230AM sounds like a blast.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2022, 7:56 PM
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I see Dennys restaurants are looking to expand into Maritime cities. Am I only one on here that actually hopes they bypass Saint John? We have a decent home grown breakfast / restaurant scene and I’m happy when these types of places go elsewhere
Someone mentioned on another site that Quispamsis was their targeted location. This trend of big name franchises hitting the valley and not coming into the city is a little odd and discomforting. St. Louis has been in the valley for a decent time now and hasn’t opened in Saint John. Mexis is in the valley and there is no indication there coming to Saint John. And now Denny’s. What’s next Five Guys?
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2022, 7:59 PM
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On the flip side places like St. Louis and Mexis may be looking for an uptown location if they’re looking to move into the city. Moncton’s Mexis is right on Main Street and Fredericton’s St. Louis is downtown.

I can’t think of any space right now that’s large enough uptown that would fit these kinds of tenants. Maybe Fundy Quay will help.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2022, 8:01 PM
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Someone mentioned on another site that Quispamsis was their targeted location. This trend of big name franchises hitting the valley and not coming into the city is a little odd and discomforting. St. Louis has been in the valley for a decent time now and hasn’t opened in Saint John. Mexis is in the valley and there is no indication there coming to Saint John. And now Denny’s. What’s next Five Guys?
These are all suburban franchise chains that land in big box or highway areas. Not sure why you're surprised when they choose a suburb over the city.

Saint John shouldn't be scrambling or overly worried if Dennys doesn't want to open in the Uptown. Uptown is better off without them.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2022, 8:23 PM
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These are all suburban franchise chains that land in big box or highway areas. Not sure why you're surprised when they choose a suburb over the city.

Saint John shouldn't be scrambling or overly worried if Dennys doesn't want to open in the Uptown. Uptown is better off without them.
As I mentioned in my second post St. Louis and Mexis are both in two of NB’s urban centres.

I’m aware Denny’s is more suburban and I am in no way advocating for them to be Uptown. I’d argue against that. My point is there are available locations in the east side shopping district and on the west side just minutes off of the highway that could be host to these chains. The city looses out on in the increase in assessment when these chains open in the suburbs. And when these new chains open up people in Saint John will travel to the suburbs to try it out setting a precedent of if we open in the valley saint johners will still make the trip. It should be the other way round.

Anytime a new chain comes to Atlantic Canada and they test in Moncton they go straight into Moncton’s city boundaries. I don’t see why it should be any different for Saint John.
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2022, 8:29 PM
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Maybe it's the big city in me talking but driving 20+ mins to go to a Dennys sounds so lame. Like another user mentioned the only time Dennys should be consumed is when you're seven-drinks-deep at 3AM. Otherwise there are plenty of perfectly good breakfast and brunch places as is in the city.

For all the tax dollars that come in from the Valley on a daily basis I think i'm fine with a suburban franchise chain or two locating outside of city limits. Small ball stuff at the end of the day.

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Anytime a new chain comes to Atlantic Canada and they test in Moncton they go straight into Moncton’s city boundaries. I don’t see why it should be any different for Saint John.
Moncton's specialty is building public schools outside of its city limits, and is definitely more welcoming to power centres and big box developments within its boundaries given the nature of the city and its development history.

How do you feel about Champlain Place being built outside of Moncton city limits?
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Old Posted Jun 30, 2022, 8:32 PM
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Saint John has a dire need for an all night diner uptown. Even friggin Julius closes at midnight now... midnight!

If we demand a US 247 breakfast chain uptown, it MUST be Waffle House.
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2022, 3:14 AM
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The Denny's in Bangor Maine is effing aweful service and food were not good last weekend. I hope it's better here .
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Old Posted Jul 1, 2022, 5:37 PM
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Let the suburbs have all the suburban chains, it's no big loss to SJ. The focus should be on urbanizing our commercial centres and corridors with transit oriented housing and amenities.
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Old Posted Jul 2, 2022, 1:46 AM
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Let the suburbs have all the suburban chains, it's no big loss to SJ. The focus should be on urbanizing our commercial centres and corridors with transit oriented housing and amenities.
I agree, I'd rather Uptown focused on individually owned restaurants/bars/cafes than adding in chains.
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Old Posted Jul 2, 2022, 9:44 PM
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While I hope the building at 99 King gets going at some point in the near future, there is a huge section of Kings square that remains under developed. Half the block next to SNB where the Paramount was, is surface parking and an old ugly building that used to house a grocery store and later the Eider Rock offices.

This is prime real estate, and I hope with the activity in the city at this point, something nice will go here. I think I remember something previously about the land’s owner not wanting to part with the lot, but I hope that’s not holding anything up for the future of the site.
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2022, 11:04 AM
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The owner of the Paramount lot holds onto properties FOREVER (and Irving Oil with the former grocery store the same), I wouldn’t hold my breath on that area seeing improvements for a while.
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2022, 11:33 AM
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The owner of the Paramount lot holds onto properties FOREVER (and Irving Oil with the former grocery store the same), I wouldn’t hold my breath on that area seeing improvements for a while.
It's frustrating. Now's the time. If this boom isn't what these landowners were waiting for, nothing will be.

IOL not starting up a redevelopment company is also surprising. What's in the Golden Ball these days?
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2022, 3:31 PM
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The owner of the Paramount lot holds onto properties FOREVER (and Irving Oil with the former grocery store the same), I wouldn’t hold my breath on that area seeing improvements for a while.
Paul Dears is the one who owns the paramount lot. He also owns one on Germain that connects to Princess. Like what Adam said, what is he waiting for? The boom is now.
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Old Posted Jul 3, 2022, 5:35 PM
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Throughway Advantage

One of the things unique to Saint John compared to many other cities in North America is the Saint John Throughway and a lack of any by-pass highways in the urban area. Compared locally to Moncton, Fredericton or Halifax, all through-traffic (visitors, overnighters, trucking, etc.) must and does go through the downtown core. This has many advantages for the city in terms of what is developed and where given proximity to downtown.

Considering the Denny's debate, I think an ideal location would be attached to one of the two hotels on Main Street just adjacent to Uptown. It would service the needs of these hotels and be central enough for multiple consumers to easily access it. Better yet, a new hotel along Main Street or next to TD Station and the highway would be even better.

But I don't think it should stop there. The city should look at attracting more off-highway employment through hotel/restaurant chains focused on this corridor to increase and centralize traffic from the east and west. Compared to Moncton, which has clusters all around its downtown along the TCH (Magnetic Hill, the Airport, Mapleton, etc), Saint John could focus development of these "destination" retail and hospitality developments exclusively within the area between Rothesay Avenue through to Catherwood, with the Main Street area being an ideal area for adding more density to service through-travellers. Think the same sprawl, but in a more dense/urban construct.

Now before everyone yells "but what about the small businesses in Uptown????" hear me out.

The addition of more capacity will draw more people into the core, and not everyone is a Denny's, IHOP, or Burger King only consumer. The more centralized the focus on these developments, the more people it attracts. The more people, the more foot and vehicle traffic to support more independent and small businesses. So, by strategically placing these closer to the core it only enhances it as a destination and benefits the current growth focus on the Uptown and CBD.

Look at Moncton's downtown core. Recent stories of drug issues, lack of customers, and more as suburban developments make the centre of the city a potential ghost town are becoming more and more frequent. Saint John has a unique geographic and road infrastructure scenario it could seriously use to its advantage compared to most cities in North America. I hope that they take advantage of that!
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Old Posted Jul 4, 2022, 1:26 AM
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Since I brought it up, here is an old pic of the King Street North block before ⅔ of it was demolished or abandoned. I remember the old Dominion store which is an ugly box right now.


Source: https://youtu.be/mreK1aKXLZM (12:52)
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