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This will eventually be another Billionaire's Row supertall.

They've been working on this for years, but it will take some time to get all the residents out.
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This will eventually be another Billionaire's Row supertall.

They've been working on this for years, but it will take some time to get all the residents out.
Let's hope something really tall goes here, preferably with a good design lol
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I don't feel like that article announces any new development. Not sure why this is a new thread. Am I missing something?
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Let's hope something really tall goes here, preferably with a good design lol
Something amazing will rise here. Same with the site across the street.
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Given how much is being invested into the site to get it, this will be something that will be big. Would make sense from an ROI standpoint.
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Given how much is being invested into the site to get it, this will be something that will be big. Would make sense from an ROI standpoint.
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Let’s hope that another 1,000+ foot tall skyscraper show up.
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^^^

Hopefully 41 West 57th Street starts up soon. Will be nice to have that rising and than something nice for this site pops up.
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Hopefully 41 West 57th Street starts up soon. Will be nice to have that rising and than something nice for this site pops up.
I suspect that at 31 W 57th, there's a dispute with the tenant in the gorgeous old townhouse at 35 W 57th, and there also may be a dispute between Vornado and 'LeFreak."

It’s a crime that these schmucks want to raze No. 35. It’s truly stunning.

https://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQ...passjobnumber=123908423&passdocnumber=01
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I suspect that at 31 W 57th, there's a dispute with the tenant in the gorgeous old townhouse at 35 W 57th, and there also may be a dispute between Vornado and 'LeFreak."

It’s a crime that these schmucks want to raze No. 35. It’s truly stunning.

https://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQ...passjobnumber=123908423&passdocnumber=01
It's a pretty small building. They could always just move it.
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It's a pretty small building. They could always just move it.
Sadly, that's not going to happen. I suspect that the tenant has an iron-clad lease, and Vornado and "Le Freak" will try to buy him out.
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Just keeping an eye on this ongoing saga which looks likely to end on way. Tough situation for the residents.



https://www.wsj.com/real-estate/carnegie...ITtGyHWBBoOO1DGnp3DJ0_dLDoddvDri7A%3D%3D

A 450% Rent Hike Hangs Over One of the Last Affordable Buildings on Billionaires’ Row
Monthly costs at Carnegie House in Midtown are set to skyrocket, thanks to the wealthy real-estate moguls who now own the land beneath the building. It’s ‘basically death,’ one resident says




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By Katherine Clarke
July 22, 2025


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Richard Hirsch, 61, likes to joke that he lives on Thousandaires’ Row. For decades he has made his home at Carnegie House, a midcentury brick building on West 57th Street in Midtown Manhattan. From his doorstep, Hirsch can see the ghostly outlines of the gleaming Billionaires’ Row supertalls that tower above Central Park.

Hirsch and his wife, Jill Strauss, paid about $400,000 for a two-bedroom co-op unit at Carnegie House in the 1990s. They have watched in awe over the past decade as developers built skyscrapers around them, homes for the global superrich. The development boom caused property values in their neighborhood to explode, and is now threatening to drive them out of their longtime home.

Like thousands of co-op owners across New York City, the residents of Carnegie House own their apartments, but not the land beneath. This type of arrangement, known as a long-term ground lease, originated in the 1950s to make homeownership accessible to middle-class New Yorkers. Now, ground leases have turned treacherous for many residents as wealthy landowners hike the rent they charge co-ops, looking to capitalize on increasingly valuable land.
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Many residents said they suspect the landowner—a limited liability company tied to real-estate magnates Rubin Schron and David Werner—hopes to drive them out, tear down the building and build a new supertall.

James Yolles, a spokesman for the landowners, denied that they have redevelopment plans.

Residents were aware of the potential rent increase when they bought their homes, he said, and got a better deal on their apartments as a result of the ground-lease structure. “We remain open to good-faith discussions with Carnegie House residents should they wish to approach us,” Yolles said.
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Constructed as a rental building in the 1960s, Carnegie House was converted to co-ops in the late 1970s. At the time, 57th Street wasn’t a luxury thoroughfare; it was populated by thrift stores and souvenir shops. Hirsch recalled the now-defunct diner across the street, where he and his wife used to split diet cream sodas and pastrami sandwiches.

Now, thanks to the construction of the supertalls, apartments on 57th Street routinely trade for tens of millions of dollars. Two blocks north of Carnegie House, an apartment at new condo 220 Central Park South sold for $240 million in 2019, setting a U.S. record.
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....in 2014, the land was purchased for $261 million by an entity led by Werner and Schron’s companies. In marketing materials, real-estate brokerage CBRE said that the site offered “unique future potential to construct a luxury retail, hotel and condominium tower.”
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That would be beautiful. This heinous eyesore, together with 60 W 57th, is a blight on the neighborhood. I lived in this area for quite some time and always loathed these eyesores.
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While its definitely a tough situation for the residents living there, they had to know this day was coming given its a lendlease property sitting on top of some of the most expensive land in the country. The best case scenario is that a deep pocketed developer can buy them out at an acceptable profit to the current residents. I do recall seeing a listing several years ago in this building and initially wondered why it was so cheap and saw it was a LL property. I'm not sure how long the terms were for this particular building but they are typically anywhere from 50 years to 99 years.
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i dk that it would work here, probably not because this site is way too valuable, but i read an article where the co-op and land owner of one these ground lease apt bldgs worked out a deal using parking and raising the ground floor commerical property rents.

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https://www.habitatmag.com/Publication-C...-October/Ground-Lease-Nearly-Dooms-Co-op
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The current lease terms stem from a 2014 deal, when an entity tied to real-estate investors Rubin Schron and David Werner paid $261 million for the land beneath Carnegie House.

At the time, brokerage CBRE described the site as offering “unique future potential to construct a luxury retail, hotel and condominium tower.”
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Yolles denied any plans to redevelop the site and noted that residents benefited from lower purchase prices because of the lease structure, adding that tenants have been aware of the potential rent increase when they purchased their homes. Reached by The Post, he added building residents are responsible for 65% of the total rent. A quarter is paid by the commercial tenant and 10% is covered by proceeds from the building’s parking garage.

And, Yolles, told The Post, there’s more than meets the eye.

“We are aware of at least 100 apartments in Carnegie House owned by individuals who own the unit purely as an investment, often generating revenue by renting their units to others,” he said.






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This eyesore must come down. Same with the utterly hideous Director's Guild.

P.S.: The 175 Park thread is understandably locked. I drove by it on the Park Avenue viaduct recently, and there was a huge dumpster there. I wonder if the end is near for that huge PoS.

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