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Old Posted Apr 29, 2022, 9:09 PM
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Western LRT extension, north-south Trillium line face new delays, says rail director
Revamped O-Train launch could now be full year behind schedule

Trevor Pritchard · CBC News
Posted: Apr 29, 2022 2:27 PM ET | Last Updated: 1 hour ago




Ottawa's director of rail construction is projecting a three-month delay for the completion of the city's western light rail extension, while flagging the launch of the expanded north-south Trillium line could now be a full year behind the initial schedule.

Michael Morgan gave an update Friday to the city's finance and economic development committee on the work being done on all of the city's rail projects.

It came three days after East-West Connectors (EWC), the builders of the Stage 2 east-west extension of the Confederation Line, said the more complex western portion and its tunnel may be running behind its targeted 2025 launch date due to supply chain problems and labour shortages.

Morgan told the committee Friday afternoon EWC's reports now project a 101-day delay in the handover of the extension.

"In the market right now, there's a lot of pressure on the supply of rebar, a lot of pressure on the supply of concrete. And you need a lot of both of those things for the tunnel construction," Morgan said.

EWC is reviewing their projections, he added, with the next update scheduled to come in July.

City council had already heard that the north-south Trillium Line rail extension wouldn't be finished until May 2023 at the earliest, nine months later than the initial August 2022 deadline stated in that contract.

The $1.6-billion project is being built by contractor Transit NEXT, a wholly owned subsidiary of SNC-Lavalin.

An August 2023 completion date is now more likely, Morgan said, although the city was "working with them to see what they can do to bring that back."

If SNC-Lavalin finished the majority of construction this year, as is their objective, that would allow the city to focus on testing the line in 2023, Morgan said.

"Depending on the performance of the system and the reliability of the system, we'll be able to at that point assess what's a realistic opening date," he said.

Several councillors put questions to Morgan about the new timelines, including Bay ward Coun. Theresa Kavanagh, whose ward will have seven stations once the western extension opens.

"It's a concern in terms of [whether there] will be rushing — because one of the issues we've had, in terms of the residents, is overnight work and those pushes to make up time," she said.

"This is in people's backyards, and this is very, very noisy and very close to them."

Kitchissippi Coun. Jeff Leiper also expressed worry about the impact of western LRT construction noise on residents, saying he wouldn't be "predisposed to providing noise exemptions."

"Let's hope they're able to make up some time," he said.

Morgan did not flag any delays Friday with the work to extend the Confederation Line eastward to Orléans. EWC has said they expect that extension to be ready by 2024.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/st...ion-trillium-line-delay-ottawa-1.6435603
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Old Posted Apr 29, 2022, 9:38 PM
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Just wait until we encounter testing problems. Aren't further delays inevitable?

How many years will the Trillium Line be out of service? An absolute travesty, especially when it does not resolve long-term issues. The next generation faces this all over again.
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Old Posted Apr 29, 2022, 11:57 PM
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Trillium Line now facing a 12-month delay to August 2023
"We are working to see what can be done with the contractor to bring that back."

Jon Willing, Ottawa Citizen
Apr 29, 2022 • 1 hour ago • 2 minute read




The Trillium Line expansion under the $4.6-billion Stage 2 O-Train project is now delayed 12 months “on paper,” according to the City of Ottawa’s rail construction boss.

It means the north-south rail system, under construction by SNC-Lavalin’s TransitNEXT, might not be ready until August 2023.

On Friday, Michael Morgan, the city’s director of rail construction, walked members of the finance and economic development committee through a lengthy presentation on all areas of construction on the Stage 2 project.

The Trillium Line project between Bayview Station and Riverside South, with a spur to the Ottawa International Airport, has a contracted completion date of August 2022.

Last December, the mayor and councillors learned SNC-Lavalin expected a delay until May 2023.

“We are working to see what can be done with the contractor to bring that back,” Morgan said Friday, telling council members that staff were looking into what could be done to have completion in late spring or early summer 2023.

There was little information provided during the meeting about the cause of the delay, but councillors heard in December that the COVID-19 pandemic had been the reason for some of the scheduling problems.

The city had considered opening part of the Trillium Line as construction finished along the corridor, but Morgan confirmed that the city intended to open the entire system all at once.

There was some positive news on the Trillium Line project. All seven Stadler FLIRT diesel trains purchased for the expansion are expected to be in Ottawa by next month. Four trains have already been delivered, with three scheduled to arrive in May.

The city anticipates substantial construction on the Trillium Line will end by the end of 2022, followed by testing and commissioning starting in early 2023.

Only one out of the three Stage 2 construction segments appears to be on schedule.

Morgan didn’t report any delays to the eastern LRT project from Blair Station to Trim Road, which has a contracted completion date of November 2024.

East-West Connectors, a partnership of Kiewit and Vinci Group, is building the eastern and western LRT extensions.

When it comes to the western LRT extension, Morgan said a three-month delay — 101 days, to be exact — was being identified by the builder. That’s better than the 10-month delay predicted last December. The next schedule update is due in July.

Labour shortages are largely driving the delay in the western LRT project, Morgan said.

Each part of the Stage 2 expansion has its own challenges, but the western LRT job is particularly tricky since it requires a three-kilometre tunnel.

The contracted completion date for the western legs to Algonquin College and Moodie Drive is May 2025.

Thirty-eight more Alstom Citadis Spirit vehicles have been ordered for the Stage 2 LRT expansion, with full vehicle delivery expected by the end of 2023. Two vehicles make one complete train.

Seven vehicles are finished and are in regular rotation on the current LRT system, while 15 vehicles are in final production or testing and 14 vehicles are either in production or awaiting production. One vehicle is going through final testing on the main LRT line and one is in the process of being accepted as finished.

The committee also received an update on the legal disputes related to the O-Train program, but that information was shared in a private session.

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Old Posted May 3, 2022, 4:38 PM
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Old Posted May 3, 2022, 5:17 PM
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The configuration at Bayview does not inspire confidence that this city is really holding open the prospect of an eventual northward interprovincial extension.
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RMTransit video about some extensions

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Old Posted May 7, 2022, 11:03 AM
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The configuration at Bayview does not inspire confidence that this city is really holding open the prospect of an eventual northward interprovincial extension.
Agreed. It's a bad design for either a north extension or terminus station. They had a blank slate; no excuse for this horrible layout and lack of future proofing.
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I dropped by Walkley yard a few days and noticed a FLIRT sitting outside.


Photograph taken by me, Tuesday, May 10, 2022
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I dropped by Walkley yard a few days and noticed a FLIRT sitting outside.


Photograph taken by me, Tuesday, May 10, 2022
These trains look sweet. Definitely a bit more of an aggressive design compared to the current curvy/aerodynamic-looking trains. Looking forward to NS up and running next year!
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Stage 2 LRT Update - A Look at the Progress of the O-Train Expansion in Ottawa - May 2022

Recently, the City of Ottawa delivered an update on Stage 2 LRT progress in the city. Stage 2 expands the O-Train service in the East from Blair to Trim, in the West from Tunney's Pasture to Algonquin and Moodie, and in the South from Bayview to Limebank and the Airport.

In this video, I discuss and provide my take on some of the important progress being realized on these massive construction and infrastructure projects across the city.

The photos contained in this video were provided by the City of Ottawa and mostly date from Q2 2022.

00:00 - Introduction
00:44 - East Extension (Blair to Trim)
15:26 - West Extension (Westboro to Moodie and Algonquin)
33:36 - South Extension (Bayview to Limebank)
50:08 - Wrap Up and Closing

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Old Posted Jun 22, 2022, 8:42 PM
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Here's a Twitter thread about all of the TOD going up and down Trillium. So much going on along a this low capacity line.

https://twitter.com/MattPinder1/status/1539578064165916675
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Since the Trillium Line can't be easily double-tracked because of the elevated and underground single-tracked sections, are longer trains a possibility if the line reaches full capacity ?
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Since the Trillium Line can't be easily double-tracked because of the elevated and underground single-tracked sections, are longer trains a possibility if the line reaches full capacity ?
All the stations are outdoors with lots of room around them - so I don't see why they couldn't increase that to 120m relatively cheaply. They're already increasing the platform and trains from 40m to 80m for stage 2.

I believe stage 2 is meant to double the capacity to an 80m train every 12 minutes, instead of a 40m train. Although I'd prefer it was going to be a 40m train every 6 minutes...

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Since the Trillium Line can't be easily double-tracked because of the elevated and underground single-tracked sections, are longer trains a possibility if the line reaches full capacity ?
There are certainly longer regional trains in existence, but the first and least expensive option is to double Walkley Station to get shorter headways.
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Has the city done any work on estimating the cost of a fully double tracked Trillium line? Does anyone have a sense of what it might cost (if no stations were added)? I’m just curious, I don’t expect to happen anytime soon.
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Has the city done any work on estimating the cost of a fully double tracked Trillium line? Does anyone have a sense of what it might cost (if no stations were added)? I’m just curious, I don’t expect to happen anytime soon.
IIRC if full double tracking and electrification were included in Stage 2, the Trillium Line portion would have cost about $1.5B. More than double the original estimate at the time, and not including scope changes and inflation.
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There are certainly longer regional trains in existence, but the first and least expensive option is to double Walkley Station to get shorter headways.
Isn't the frequency still limited to 10 minutes after double-tracking Walkley ? That's still a pretty long headway.
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Isn't the frequency still limited to 10 minutes after double-tracking Walkley ? That's still a pretty long headway.
Puzzling how they promised 8 minutes last time they "upgraded" the system. In any case, I'm sure they could get to that with strategic double tracking. Better frequency would be far better than longer trains.
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I definitely see the TOD potential along the Trilium line (and making it more of an high-volume everyday transit corridor vs. mostly geared towards Carleton students), but I do think the guy's Tweets are a bit overly optimistic (esp. in terms of timeframe).

Other than the towers at Bayview, a few around Carling & the new ones at Walkley, the other projects are mostly proposals or early visions at this point and nothing is even close to seeing shovels in the ground (Limeback, Bowesville, South Keys, Greenboro, Mooney's)...
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Given that the Walkley overpass is currently being rehabilitated, the likelihood of any improvement in frequency is zero for the next many years.

As long as we have a poor plan to coordinate local buses with the 12 minute Trillium Line frequency, it will be difficult to get the full benefit of this rail line. We can build the TOD mentioned but the amount of passengers that this will generate will be limited. We need to make it convenient for the 10,000s who live beyond walking distance. I live within the 5 km distance for light rail so often mentioned by the city, but generally speaking the trains don't go where I want to go without a second transfer.

The lack of rail service to existing Riverside South development closer to the Vimy Bridge is also a weakness of the current plan. It is truly weird how the construction of two stations in Riverside South has not stimulated any development close by so far. Eventually this will change, but it is stunning seeing elevated stations going up amongst the nothingness. As usual, the city has value engineered this line instead of bringing it to a major park n ride lot, and shopping and hundreds of existing homes within walking distance.

Instead of bringing transit to the people, we expect people to drive or move to transit. The results will be underwhelming.

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