Ottawa Macdonald-Cartier International Airport (YOW/CYOW) 1.0

[fanofYOW]

Originally Posted by rocketphish

Another opening for Porter?

Let them reduce service here. Not a fan of Westjet and their lack of direct options from Ottawa either way. Do you think maybe Porter's strong presence and their announcement to make 4 hubs in the East had something to do with this? I think Halifax might get hit hard though because that would mean less European flights. I'm sure no one in Ottawa will miss them, they're barely present here to begin with.

[Richard Eade]

This sounds to me to be a drastic move by Westjet to stay alive.

I agree that it sounds as if there will be a lot fewer seats heading over to Europe (from both Toronto and Halifax). Will other airlines fill in that gap? Or are there simply going to be fewer (more expensive) seats?

Anyone have any suggestions on how this might affect SWOOP - if at all?

[solo748]

Originally Posted by Dominion301

I looked at the first week of January 2023 and here's the current AC Rouge Florida YOW schedule:
MCO dep 0615 days 2467 319
TPA dep 0615 days 135 319
FLL dep 1705 daily 319

Internationally I found this (only looked for CUN, PUJ and VRA):
CUN dep 1430 days 1346
PUJ dep 1430 days 25
VRA dep 1430 day 7

Given the above works out to two FL and one int'l departure per day, I'd be surprised if there's anyt

Great fleet utilization as a frame is routed YOW-FLA-YOW-SUN-YOW 19hours each day.

Been that way for some time. Wonder why they don't send the jet to SUN first then to FLA? Ease of checkin and out in Carribbean and more of a draw for a PM to FLA (after working half day). I've taken a lot of 8pm PUJYOW over the years and makes for some hassle when the hotel wants you checked out at 11am.

[Dominion301]

Today’s departure count: 62

Today’s cancellation count: 9

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by fanofYOW

Let them reduce service here. Not a fan of Westjet and their lack of direct options from Ottawa either way. Do you think maybe Porter's strong presence and their announcement to make 4 hubs in the East had something to do with this? I think Halifax might get hit hard though because that would mean less European flights. I'm sure no one in Ottawa will miss them, they're barely present here to begin with.

I don’t expect any YOW route cuts, but definitely there will be frequency reductions to YYZ. Heck, maybe they’ll even bring back YOW-YEG.

No doubt Porter are rejoicing at this news though.

[roger1818]

Originally Posted by fanofYOW

Let them reduce service here. Not a fan of Westjet and their lack of direct options from Ottawa either way. Do you think maybe Porter's strong presence and their announcement to make 4 hubs in the East had something to do with this? I think Halifax might get hit hard though because that would mean less European flights. I'm sure no one in Ottawa will miss them, they're barely present here to begin with.

I'm not sure I agree with you. Pre-pandemic WS had a decent number of destinations from YOW. Sure there weren't as many as AC, but WS is also significantly smaller than AC. Post pandemic WS has cut a significant number of destinations from YOW, but then again, so has AC, so I really don't get what you are moaning about.

Originally Posted by Dominion301

I don’t expect any YOW route cuts, but definitely there will be frequency reductions to YYZ. Heck, maybe they’ll even bring back YOW-YEG.

Maybe, though I had noticed before this announcement that WS cancelled their YOW-YVR flight in late 2022. I also wouldn't be surprised if WS plans to have Sunwing (or maybe Swoop) take over some of their eastern routes, as many seem to be more vacation oriented.

Originally Posted by Dominion301

No doubt Porter are rejoicing at this news though.

I think Porter was somehow responsible for this decision. I wonder if they somehow obtained some of WS's slots at YYZ (either through a deal with WS or by out bidding them).

[RomanR27]

The YVR-YOW-YVR AC342/AC345 flights are being served by a B789 today.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CFVLU/history/20220618/1635Z/CYVR/CYOW

[fanofYOW]

Originally Posted by roger1818

I'm not sure I agree with you. Pre-pandemic WS had a decent number of destinations from YOW. Sure there weren't as many as AC, but WS is also significantly smaller than AC. Post pandemic WS has cut a significant number of destinations from YOW, but then again, so has AC, so I really don't get what you are moaning about.

They had about 4 year-round routes from YOW. Assuming YEG was year round, I can’t remember if it was. If you think that’s acceptable for an airline with a fleet of ~160 then more power to you! I don’t however.

[fanofYOW]

Swoop begins service to Halifax and Winnipeg today!

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by RomanR27

The YVR-YOW-YVR AC342/AC345 flights are being served by a B789 today.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CFVLU/history/20220618/1635Z/CYVR/CYOW

Yep that’s there the rest of the summer I believe.

Today’s departure count: 62

Today’s cancellation count: 8

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by roger1818

I'm not sure I agree with you. Pre-pandemic WS had a decent number of destinations from YOW. Sure there weren't as many as AC, but WS is also significantly smaller than AC. Post pandemic WS has cut a significant number of destinations from YOW, but then again, so has AC, so I really don't get what you are moaning about.



Maybe, though I had noticed before this announcement that WS cancelled their YOW-YVR flight in late 2022. I also wouldn't be surprised if WS plans to have Sunwing (or maybe Swoop) take over some of their eastern routes, as many seem to be more vacation oriented.


I think Porter was somehow responsible for this decision. I wonder if they somehow obtained some of WS's slots at YYZ (either through a deal with WS or by out bidding them).

At this point the only route WS has cut at YOW that existed in 2019 is YEG and even there they’re still flying it with their flanker brand. They’re even competing with themselves on two routes now.

As for YVR they haven’t flown it year-round in years. Shows how weak knee’d they are here when they don’t fly YOW’s 3rd largest city pair 12 months of the year. You’d think they would do so with a properly timed flight for Hawaii connections in winter.

[BenYOW]

Originally Posted by Dominion301

I don’t expect any YOW route cuts, but definitely there will be frequency reductions to YYZ. Heck, maybe they’ll even bring back YOW-YEG.

Any thoughts on how YOW - YHZ might fare? It's currently running as a 6x weekly Q400 service; I can't recall what the frequency on this route was pre-pandemic, but I wonder if it may be a potential termination and instead be left with Swoop.

[Coho]

Originally Posted by BenYOW

Any thoughts on how YOW - YHZ might fare? It's currently running as a 6x weekly Q400 service; I can't recall what the frequency on this route was pre-pandemic, but I wonder if it may be a potential termination and instead be left with Swoop.

I suspect it might be cancelled and if it remains, with Swoop.. just given that there are currently 5 airlines serving that route (Air Canada, WestJet, Flair, Swoop, Porter). Unless WestJet decides to keep their TATL 737 operations out of YHZ, it could be a feeder, but that's tbd.

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by Coho

I suspect it might be cancelled and if it remains, with Swoop.. just given that there are currently 5 airlines serving that route (Air Canada, WestJet, Flair, Swoop, Porter). Unless WestJet decides to keep their TATL 737 operations out of YHZ, it could be a feeder, but that's tbd.

Agreed. As long they keep the transatlantic 737 flights, which when they indicate “east will be 737 only” means it’s likely staying, means they’ll almost certainly keep a daily 737 feeder on a seasonal basis. Pre-pandemic it was 2x daily year-round DH4s and a summer seasonal 737.

Today’s departure count: 71 - ties the record if no further cancellations

Today’s cancellation count: 1 - update now 4, with 1 replacement flight

[MountainView]

Originally Posted by fanofYOW

Swoop begins service to Halifax and Winnipeg today!

Cool! I also noticed that they are the same flight number... so if you wanted to book Winnipeg to Halifax (or vice versa), you can via a stopover in YOW.

[mxg308]

According to Aeroroutes it appears the following AC routes are removed for Northern Winter 2022-23:
YOW-YEG
YOW-YQB
YOW-YFC
YOW-YQM

The following is reduced:
YOW-YHZ 5x daily to 3x daily

[hehehe]

Looks like all YHZ-Europe on WS was cut for next summer, so maybe YOW-YHZ is cut/reduced?

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by hehehe

Looks like all YHZ-Europe on WS was cut for next summer, so maybe YOW-YHZ is cut/reduced?

Isn't it a little early to draw any conclusions about summer 2023?

Today’s departure count: 64
Today’s cancellation count: 1

[Dominion301]

YOW's May pax stats:

Sector / May-21 / May-22 / % Change
Dom: 21,599 / 247,060 / +1043.8%
TB: 0 / 15,534 / #DIV/0!
Int'l: 0 / 0 / #DIV/0!
TTL: 21,599 / 262,594 / +1115.8%

Sector / YTD 2021 / YTD 2022 / % Change
Dom: 117,426 / 796,798 / +578.6%
TB: 0 / 48,565 / #DIV/0!
Int'l: 0 / 42,722 / #DIV/0!
TTL: 117,426 / 888,085 / +656.3%

Month-Over-Month Change
Sector Apr-21 / May-21 / % Change
Dom: 187,290 / 247,060 / +31.9%
TB: 12,288 / 15,534 / +26.4%
Int'l: 8,395 / 0 / -100.0%
TTL: 207,973 / 262,594 / +26.3%
Avg/Day: 6,932 / 8,471 / +22.2% May 2022 = 60.5% of the 2019 average daily pax count and is +9.9% vs April 2022 and +17.7% vs March 2022

12 Months Rolling / % Change vs Year End 2020
Dom: 1,823,322 / +76.7%
TB: 59,807 / -63.3%
Int'l: 58,319 / -65.4%
TTL: 1,941,448 / +42.4%

[Dominion301]

Originally Posted by mxg308

According to Aeroroutes it appears the following AC routes are removed for Northern Winter 2022-23:
YOW-YEG
YOW-YQB
YOW-YFC
YOW-YQM

The following is reduced:
YOW-YHZ 5x daily to 3x daily

YEG and YQB are rather surprising. Calling on Porter!