The Metro Vancouver Retail Thread - Page 811

whatnext · #**16201** Posted **Jun 16, 2022, 4:30 PM**

Seems like the Broadway Plan is helping to spur exciting new changes to South Granville's retail mix as Value Village will be moving into the Urban Barn space at 7th.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/value-village-south-granville

jollyburger · #**16202** Posted **Jun 16, 2022, 4:55 PM**

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Originally Posted by whatnext

Seems like the Broadway Plan is helping to spur exciting new changes to South Granville's retail mix as Value Village will be moving into the Urban Barn space at 7th.

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/value-village-south-granville

Probably more of a stopgap tenant until the buildings along there get redeveloped.

whatnext · #**16203** Posted **Jun 16, 2022, 7:20 PM**

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Originally Posted by jollyburger

Probably more of a stopgap tenant until the buildings along there get redeveloped.

We'll see I guess. In case it hasn't been mentioned, Urban Barn is moving farther south on Granville to the old Pottery Barn Kids location.

RDW989 · #**16204** Posted **Jun 18, 2022, 11:09 PM**

Taking over the space left vacant by Little Burgundy and Miniso on the 1000-block Robson, a Athleta store (part of the Old Navy, Gap, and Banana Republic Group).
My pix, June 18
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zahav · #**16205** Posted **Jun 19, 2022, 7:01 PM**

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Originally Posted by hollywoodnorth

they had land in South Surrey but never pulled the trigger. more here >>
https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=246159

and

https://www.reddit.com/r/SurreyBC/comments/ne0wyc/new_costco_in_south_surrey/

Oh that's awesome thanks for sending me that thread, didn't even know it existed but made some really good points. We are certainly underserved but I don't think that means we're in for a big expansion. If I was betting, I'd say South Surrey is their #1 choice. Then North Shore #2. After that I don't see any immediate growth. IMO, the Tsawwassen area would have to really grow in population to justify it. As it is, they are hugely over built on retail (coming from nothing but small mom and pop shops on a single street to two massive shopping complexes is a lot to absorb). Once the TFN lands are fully built out it will help, but still don't think it would warrant a Costco moving in. I'd rather the existing retail get stronger than introduce more into an already crowed market, that's a recipe for a bloodbath

NewfBC · #**16206** Posted **Jun 20, 2022, 1:31 AM**

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Originally Posted by zahav

Oh that's awesome thanks for sending me that thread, didn't even know it existed but made some really good points. We are certainly underserved but I don't think that means we're in for a big expansion. If I was betting, I'd say South Surrey is their #1 choice. Then North Shore #2. After that I don't see any immediate growth. IMO, the Tsawwassen area would have to really grow in population to justify it. As it is, they are hugely over built on retail (coming from nothing but small mom and pop shops on a single street to two massive shopping complexes is a lot to absorb). Once the TFN lands are fully built out it will help, but still don't think it would warrant a Costco moving in. I'd rather the existing retail get stronger than introduce more into an already crowed market, that's a recipe for a bloodbath

The North Shore had their chance for a Costco years ago.. they rejected it and Costco built Willingdon.

As for Tsawwassen... I live in Marpole, close to 70th/Oak. If there were a Costco in Tsawwassen I would drive the extra 11 minutes (yes, that's the difference) vs driving to Richmond Costco. Anything to avoid the insanity at that location.

Ron.

SpongeG · #**16207** Posted **Jun 20, 2022, 3:31 AM**

I was at Richmond Costco the other day, it was chaos. Surrey is also really bad, always crowded, long lines, hard to find parking etc. Any new Costco South of the Fraser would be greatly appreciated.

zahav · #**16208** Posted **Jun 20, 2022, 4:57 AM**

Richmond Costco is insane, no doubt. I only vetoed Tsawwassen because Costco opens new locations at a glacial pace as it is, and I feel that they would choose South Surrey before Tsawwassen. Didn't realize North Shore turned down Costco before. But I think it does make sense there

hollywoodnorth · #**16209** Posted **Jun 20, 2022, 5:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by zahav

Richmond Costco is insane, no doubt. I only vetoed Tsawwassen because Costco opens new locations at a glacial pace as it is, and I feel that they would choose South Surrey before Tsawwassen. Didn't realize North Shore turned down Costco before. But I think it does make sense there

North Vancouver gets a sewage treatment plant after opposing bus depot and Costco

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/north-shore-wastewater-treatment-plant-north-vancouver

that's a pretty sh*tty trade down if you ask me ... pun intended

jollyburger · #**16210** Posted **Jun 20, 2022, 12:42 PM**

People seem to forget when Costco and Walmart were the Antichrist of retail in the Lower Mainland

WarrenC12 · #**16211** Posted **Jun 20, 2022, 3:27 PM**

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Originally Posted by jollyburger

People seem to forget when Costco and Walmart were the Antichrist of retail in the Lower Mainland

When was that? Only a certain iteration of Vancouver city council was against them IIRC.

Changing City · #**16212** Posted **Jun 20, 2022, 3:59 PM**

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When was that? Only a certain iteration of Vancouver city council was against them IIRC.

And it was only Walmart that the COPE dominated version of Vancouver city council were opposed to. Council approved the Downtown Costco twenty years ago; two COPE Councillors (Bass and Louis) were opposed. There were two speakers against the project at the public hearing, (opposing big box retail Downtown), representing the Southeast False Creek Working Group and the West End Residents' Association. Costco could only be built Downtown because the City sold a piece of land to make the development possible.

SpongeG · #**16213** Posted **Jun 20, 2022, 6:13 PM**

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Originally Posted by zahav

Richmond Costco is insane, no doubt. I only vetoed Tsawwassen because Costco opens new locations at a glacial pace as it is, and I feel that they would choose South Surrey before Tsawwassen. Didn't realize North Shore turned down Costco before. But I think it does make sense there

tell that to Edmonton they seem to get a new costco every few years

jollyburger · #**16214** Posted **Jun 21, 2022, 1:10 AM**

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On Green’s support for some big-box store projects and his opposition to others.

“Smart planning treats each site individually. There is no blanket theory. A big-box store in the wrong place can devastate a community and displace local businesses. Some of my colleagues don’t get this. Sam Sullivan supports all big box stores anywhere. Ann Roberts is against them all.

“I supported a large Canadian Tire store on Grandview because it had good SkyTrain access and no neighborhood opposition. I voted against a Home Depot on Broadway -- as did everyone else but Sam -- because the neighbourhood was against it. The Wal-Mart plan made a good effort, but there were neighbourhood issues. It was in the wrong place. The Costco downtown is okay because it provides local parking, SkyTrain access, and four residential towers on top, an idea Arthur Anderson has promoted, because it supplies its own core market. This plan works. You have to think through each plan.”

https://thetyee.ca/News/2005/11/17/JimGreenInterview/

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Kitsilano struggles to keep it real

Last year, in a bid to preserve the area's boutique feel, residents rejected a controversial big-box Home Depot store slated to replace the IGA grocery store on West Broadway. And residents campaigned unsuccessfully to stop the Watermark, a beachside restaurant and bar that is due to open by month's end.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/kitsilano-struggles-to-keep-it-real/article18241481/

WarrenC12 · #**16215** Posted **Jun 21, 2022, 2:55 AM**

"I voted against a Home Depot on Broadway -- as did everyone else but Sam -- because the neighbourhood was against it"

Classic NIMBY. I wonder where on Broadway the proposal was. There's a HD (and Cdn Tire) on Cambie just off Broadway.

Changing City · #**16216** Posted **Jun 21, 2022, 3:06 AM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

"I voted against a Home Depot on Broadway -- as did everyone else but Sam -- because the neighbourhood was against it"

Classic NIMBY. I wonder where on Broadway the proposal was. There's a HD (and Cdn Tire) on Cambie just off Broadway.

jollyburger noted above - it would have replaced the old IGA by Arbutus. The opposition was as much about losing the only grocery store in the area as it was anti Home Depot. They took the space at Cambie, as you noted, and there was a new IGA at Vine before the old one closed and was replaced with the condo buildings with smaller scale retail about 12 years ago (including another grocery store, Green's Organic that's suffering from having SkyTrain construction in front of it).

jollyburger · #**16217** Posted **Jun 21, 2022, 3:12 AM**

Here's the Council report on those projects:

https://council.vancouver.ca/20040622/p3.htm

whatnext · #**16218** Posted **Jun 21, 2022, 4:22 AM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

"I voted against a Home Depot on Broadway -- as did everyone else but Sam -- because the neighbourhood was against it"

Classic NIMBY. I wonder where on Broadway the proposal was. There's a HD (and Cdn Tire) on Cambie just off Broadway.

Yeah, God forbid councillors should be responsive to the wishes of the citizens who voted them in.

jollyburger · #**16219** Posted **Jun 21, 2022, 7:02 AM**

Times have changed...

djh · #**16220** Posted **Jun 21, 2022, 7:51 AM**

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Originally Posted by WarrenC12

"I voted against a Home Depot on Broadway -- as did everyone else but Sam -- because the neighbourhood was against it"

I didn't vote against it, and at the time I owned a condo across the street from that development, and it literally blocked my downtown view!
That development was one of the best things to go into the neighbourhood, which at the time was a wasteland of woefully underdeveloped industrial lots.

However, I do think these huge big-box developments do benefit from public push-back because the friction with the neighbourhood prevents them from running rampant with ugly and out-of-scale developments, and makes them consider who their neighbours will be. Urban, small-scale customers looking for tools and parts for their small DIY projects, not commercial contractors looking for a pallet of bricks and 2x4s.